Posted by nixluva:

[quote]Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by nixluva:

Curry passes like he shoots, very accurately and somewhat like a QB, he judges distance and speed very well and anticipates where the ball needs to be. Those natural skills can be honed and developed by a great coach like MDA.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by nixluva:

[quote]Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by nixluva:

Curry passes like he shoots, very accurately and somewhat like a QB, he judges distance and speed very well and anticipates where the ball needs to be. Those natural skills can be honed and developed by a great coach like MDA.

Curry just might be the JJ Reddick of this draft.

oohah

Posted by nixluva:

[quote]Posted by oohah:

You don't have to be superfast or jump thru buildings to excel at the point. Just go back and look at Stockton's physical talents or at what Nash has done without any super athletic ability or strength.

Nash avg'd 20.9/6.4 asts and 17/6 asts in about 33 mins his last 2 college seasons. Curry avg'd 28.6/5.6 in his 1st yr at the point. Along with 2.5 stls and 4.4 rebounds in the same number of minutes.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Why is everyone bringing up point guard references when the guy didn't do clearly as well as a point as he did as a shooting guard. Stockton and Nash were stand outs at their positions in their collegiate careers for running the team. Curry wasn't a stand out for moving the ball up and down the court. He is known for shooting the ball.

If you just want a point to shoot the ball and have the same difficulties that Curry will have just sign House to a contract in the off season and draft a player with real potential to develop at their position. If you don't he will have the same built in excuses about him not playing his position like you have with Lee. You don't draft the Curries of the world in the lottery, you sign them to the LLE when you are ready to contend for a title so they can come off the bench.

If you want to award him for what he did at Davidson throw him a Stephen Curry night at the Garden and be done with it.

Posted by oohah:

Posted by nixluva:

[quote]Posted by oohah:

You don't have to be superfast or jump thru buildings to excel at the point. Just go back and look at Stockton's physical talents or at what Nash has done without any super athletic ability or strength.

Nash avg'd 20.9/6.4 asts and 17/6 asts in about 33 mins his last 2 college seasons. Curry avg'd 28.6/5.6 in his 1st yr at the point. Along with 2.5 stls and 4.4 rebounds in the same number of minutes.

I think the comparisons to Stockton and Nash are completely off-base except that nobody could predict the heights they would reach in their NBA careers.

I compare Curry to Reddick in that they have one really exceptional skill and without that skill they are not NBA players. I have not seen all this roundness to Curry's game that you have. I have seena guy who can really shoot, except not as good as Chris Jackson who was on another level, and Curry is less athletic too.

On the plus side, he is taller and less slight than Rauf (See how I am switching names?) but I don't really see him as a PG. Really I see Curry as Jason Terry light, or a shorter Dell Curry who can handle the ball better, because he has to.

By the way, I really liked Dell Curry and thought he was a useful player. Shooters can usually make a nice career in the NBA as long as they are able to get their shot off. BUt I think using a lottery pick on Curry is not such a good idea. Also what about defense? can this kid guard anybody? I can just see other guards salivating as they beat him to death.

Come on Nix, their has to be somebody you want more than Curry. Why do you seem to be so enamored with him? What about Griffin? What about Thabeet? What about the kid from Pitt? Anyone?

oohah

Posted by Paladin55:

I personally did not give a thought to Curry until the rumors about the Knicks interest him began to swirl around. Names are thrown around and you start to look at them differently, check out what clips you can see of them, and read the scouting reports.

I was originally a DeRozan fan at #8, and would be happy with him, but I think that at #8, the Knicks will go PG. MDA's system depends entirely on the actions and decisions of an intelligent PG who can get to the basket, dish it, and hit whatever situational shot he is confronted with. The PG does not have to be a guy who finishes with dunks- when did Nash ever touch a rim with his hand?- but he has to make the right decision when he has the ball.

At # 8 we will be looking most closely at Curry, Holiday, Lawson, Jennings and Flynn, and as I have said before, the ultimate choice will be MDA's. His Knick legacy will probably be based on which PG is chosen. If they feel none of the PGs fit the MDA mold, they will probably trade out of the pick.

Curry's defensive success will be determined not by his strength, but by has lateral quickness- if he can stay in front of his opponent he will be fine- if not, we are in trouble, because our weak interior D is exposed with a perimeter defending guards like the once we had this year.

Any debate over who we pick at #8, IMO, should be about which PG we take, not whether we should take DeRozan, Mullens, Blair, etc.

A simple syllogism:

The success of the D'Antoni offense goes as far as the PG who runs it.

The Knicks do not have a PG who has the decision making ability and consistency to run an MDA offense.

Therefore the Knicks should be looking for a PG to lead the team.


At this point we just have to sit back and watch the competition among the contending PGs begin, and hope that the Knicks can pick out the best fit for the team.

Posted by nixluva:

Curry as a PG avg'd similar numbers to those of Nash as a PG in college. Playing 33 mpg Curry and Nash are at about 20/6 as college PG's. I actually think it's more impressive for Curry to achieve this in his 1st go round as a PG! It's not like he was a hack.

Guys like Nash and Curry play at an attack speed. It's not fast, but faster then defenders want their opponent to be moving. It's a consistent speed all game long, with spurts of speed that create space. It's speed that forces defenders to chase and keeps a defense from being able to relax and settle into a solid posture. All that dribble drive around picks, penetrating and probing. All the while with the constant threat of an open shot from the PG. It's a very tough thing to deal with. Nash and Curry aren't trying to blast past defenders like Steph or other super athletic guards. They probe and pick defenses apart and keep the game played at a fast pace.

This is why I think Curry is a great fit for our team. It's not so much that I think he's the only player we should be looking at, but I do think he is perhaps the best fit for what we want to do. The one element missing from this team is the "Nash type PG". We can find a big to block shots and make layups off the pick and roll, what we dont' have is that constant threat to score or pass with the ball with a HIGH BB IQ, like Nash. Curry has the game to play that role.

Posted by TMS:

we don't ONLY need a C... we also need a SG w/size & explosive ability to get to the hole & draw consistent fouls... someone who will possibly command a double team on the perimeter & in crunchtime when he develops... we don't have anyone who will do that on this team... don't give me this stuff about MDA's system not needing a player like that cuz in crunchtime systems regularly fold & players who can create shots & score take over.

sure if there's a dominant C prospect available take him, but even Thabeet comes w/a boatload of question marks of his own as well & he's likely not to fall to us at #8 anyway.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-16-2009 10:46 PM]