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Pharzeone
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2/26/2009  1:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

the gallo pick was made before walsh knew what he had in lee. he wasn't a huge lee fan before but as the season progressed, he became one. imho, the gallo pick is/was a mistake and he will be moved sooner than later (if lee is re-signed that is)...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-26-2009 1:46 PM]

To use Bip reasoning. How is that possible he is a player on the team that he runs. So why wouldn't he like Lee and Marbury right away.
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2/26/2009  1:58 PM
"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.
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2/26/2009  2:22 PM
Gallo is the kind of guy that you can have in their with Lee in late game situations, cuz he doesn't duplicate Lee, he has offensive skills that Lee will never have. To me we have a very good talent base that just needs to continue to mature. Gallo is still feeling his way around, but one thing that I like is he was able to focus and make the shots and be in the right position to rebound. I saw him follow the ball once the shot went up so he could pursue the rebound!!! That was huge to me. He got a tough offensive board and then didn't force a shot up with Magic players all around him. He took it out and handed off to Chan for the 3!!! Again the kid wasn't really fazed by the moment. In fact he seemed to thrive in that intensity!!!!

I think this said more about Gallo than the many meaningless minutes he's played in other games. Crunchtime is a whole other animal, just like playoff basketball is even another level above that. Gallo has shown in Europe that he was up to the task and I think we can see signs that he'll be the same here.
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2/26/2009  2:33 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.
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2/26/2009  2:50 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

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2/26/2009  2:52 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Yeah, I know I'm just giving you a hard time because it's fun and you're a newbie.
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2/26/2009  2:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Yeah, I know I'm just giving you a hard time because it's fun and you're a newbie.

Nice, pick on the new guy. Real nice.
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2/26/2009  2:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Yeah, I know I'm just giving you a hard time because it's fun and you're a newbie.

Seriously Phar.. what the hell is with these newbies giving you lip?
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2/26/2009  3:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.
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2/26/2009  3:20 PM
Posted by Bippity10:


Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Newbie if you keep making posts like this you will be well on your way to 10k. Great post - anyone who isn't supporting Gallinari is just plain stupid.
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2/26/2009  3:29 PM
Second

"Great post - anyone who isn't supporting Gallinari is just plain stupid."

Danilo, a freshman, showed the willingness, and the ability to make the shot in the clutch last night. I have a sense that Mike D'Antoni is reconsidering his March role in the rotation as we speak.

What is Danilo, like... 20 years old?
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

"Bip reasoning"?

I don't get it.

No you asked John how he not support a rookie on his team. I used that same for reasoning for Walsh, asking how could he not support any of the players he inherited like Lee, Marbury and the others. Sometimes just because someone is on your team, you will necessary root or support.

I think there is a difference between being a fan and being a GM. A GM has to look at things from a business/team perspective, where a fan just simply roots for his team.

Isn't that a little simplistic? When you're a little kid all you did was simply root but when you get older and have a better understanding of the business side, intricacies of building a team and opportunity costs, it becomes a lot more involved than just simply rooting for your team.

The fact that we all talk about things like the salary cap, free agency rules, Larry Bird Rights, expiring contracts and efficiency statistics, should tell you that our fandom is based on more than just watching games and rooting.

Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Well written Bip.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:


Of course, you idiot. But this wasn't based on the intricacies, of the game and salary cap etc. This conversation was about a fan "supporting" a rookie on his team. A simplistic sentence that got a simplistic answer. How can you not "support" a rookie on your team. Get over when he was drafted. Get over who we could have had. Get over whether you agree with the pick or not and how Walsh runs the team. When it comes down to it, it's a rookie on YOUR TEAM, who did not strong arm your team, did not demand to be drafted ahead of whoever, did not try to get the coach fired or demand that someone get in his truck. He is simply a rookie that was picked and came to YOUR TEAM to play. Why would you not "support" him? "Support" is far different than agree with or enjoy the pick.

Newbie if you keep making posts like this you will be well on your way to 10k. Great post - anyone who isn't supporting Gallinari is just plain stupid.

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2/26/2009  3:32 PM
I'm sure JohnWallace just worded it wrong. He probably meant that he wasn't a supporter of Gallo as a draft pick. And that he is highly critical of him.

I don't believe that he is hoping that Gallo fails.
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2/26/2009  3:32 PM
But anyway, I love how Gallo responded. He got pulled from the rotation, then comes through in the third and fourth quarter when he gets tapped. The same thing happened with Chandler when he got the hook from the starting lineup. I don't know what D'Antoni is doing, but I like it
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2/26/2009  3:53 PM
Holy smokes.... Bips laying out some factorial and if you dont like it get in the phuckin truck.

Its a great post. I didnt want Gallinarri because I knew nothing about him. Looks like he's got some good things but who the hell knows. Alot of great players spend their first year in the league just watching and understanding what it takes to be a good players in the NBA, or just a player in the NBA. Seems like the kid has some heart and fire and desire. Hopefully the talent is there and it translates into a good player. No reason not to support him or anyone else DW drafts. If we took one of the guys I didnt want like Bayless or Gordon I would be pulling for that player bigtime.
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2/26/2009  3:57 PM
Bip FTW
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Posted by fishmike:

Holy smokes.... Bips laying out some factorial and if you dont like it get in the phuckin truck.

that's how gallo messed up his back in the first place...
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Posted by nixluva:

Gallo is the kind of guy that you can have in their with Lee in late game situations, cuz he doesn't duplicate Lee, he has offensive skills that Lee will never have. To me we have a very good talent base that just needs to continue to mature. Gallo is still feeling his way around, but one thing that I like is he was able to focus and make the shots and be in the right position to rebound. I saw him follow the ball once the shot went up so he could pursue the rebound!!! That was huge to me. He got a tough offensive board and then didn't force a shot up with Magic players all around him. He took it out and handed off to Chan for the 3!!! Again the kid wasn't really fazed by the moment. In fact he seemed to thrive in that intensity!!!!

I think this said more about Gallo than the many meaningless minutes he's played in other games. Crunchtime is a whole other animal, just like playoff basketball is even another level above that. Gallo has shown in Europe that he was up to the task and I think we can see signs that he'll be the same here.
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