Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by GKFv2:

Nate Robinson is not a PG so why compare him to Duhon? Duhon is not supposed to go out there and play amazing. He's just supposed to run the offense efficiently and he does.

Nate is just an undersized scorer, nothing more. He doesn't suck. He's a great high energy player off the bench. He also has moments of lapses where he takes crappy shots and whatnot and his defense is still terrible. He plays hard but he's not someone you have to keep by any stretch of the imagination. The smart thing to do is to sell high on someone like Nate.

what makes him a guy to trade and lee a guy to keep?

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Vmart:

Nate is talented as hell, but his height will always haunt the Knicks. How often do you see Nate take shots that are good shots but because of his height they seem like the most complicated shot attempts.

agree 100%... i told u guys a month & a half ago that relying on Nate to be our go to guy in the clutch would lead to big problems because of his lack of height & i was told he was very capable of handling the role... we need a SG who can get off his shots in traffic w/some size... Nate is a novelty, a guy u bring off the bench to inject some energy & hustle... he's not a #1 scoring option on any team.

Oh, totally agree. Nate is a career bench player.

Posted by misterearl:

Three consecutive 30 point (or more) games

30 and 6 v Golden State. Against the Clippers Nate had 33 points, a career-high 15 assists, nine rebounds and five steals - the first NBA player with 30 points plus those numbers since Magic Johnson had 33 points, 17 assists, 15 rebounds and six steals against the Denver Nuggets on March 29, 1981. - Elias Sports Bureau

Imagine Danilo Gallinari with 3 consecutive 30 point games

I hear you but imagine Gallo getting 23 shots a game - with the way he shoots.

Posted by Martice:

Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by Allanfan20:

TMS, I really have to disagree with you on his showboating. I really see nothing wrong when he's dancing during warmups, b/c at the same time, I see him being a good teammate and really don't think it interrupts his play. He plays to win and he gets pumped up by the game and I just don't see that as showboating.

My only problem with him is that he sometimes loses focus on defense but I've seen him improve that too. It's worth keeping him, and it may even be more worth keeping him more than Lee.
[quote]how did u feel about Nate's selfish play when he & Al Harrington were shooting us out of games earlier this season?

My last word on this one as well. Nate and Al were actually shooting for different reasons TMS. Nate was in a horrible slump and you know the old saying is you get out of a slump by shooting yourself out of one.

In regards to Al, Al shoots regardless if he is in a slump or not. Both are shooters and thats what shooters do but Al takes way more low percentage shots than Nate and that is the big difference between the two. Now like you said "earlier in the season", many here including myself, both see progress and promise in the little guy. I do see what you mean about selling while the stock is high but I guess I kinda fell in love with this particular stock and the potential it has to do well.

See you around TMS and great posts.

i agree w/ur point that Nate was in a slump & about Al just being a shooter regardless of the situation... i get all that... but the problem i noticed is that when Nate was struggling he should be willing to let others carry the load instead of trying to be the man all the time... he's not a star player to put the weight of the team on his shoulders... his penchant to wanna score everytime he touches the ball is not always helping the team... last night he had a phenomenal game & i love to see him playing that way, the problem is he doesn't carry that kind of consistency all the time... he's a role player that runs hot & cold, as many role players often do... please do not confuse me for someone who rags on our players w/no cause... i have praised Nate's talent & effort many times over when other posters were comparing rookie scrubs like Jerryd Bayless to him as far superior players... i am fully aware of Nate's ability, it's his head that i question sometimes like i said before... & w/the 2010 plan finally within reach, i just don't think signing him up to a longterm contract is worth sacrificing that plan... i think we need to keep our options open & acquire assets to use in a draft day trade if we can... i think that will benefit our franchise more than it would to lock up Lee & Nate longterm after this season... just MHO.

Posted by misterearl:

You Can't Teach Height

CrushALot - Gallinari has the opportunity to totally rehab his back (fingers crossed) and hit a few free weights in his spare time this Summer.

These initial cameos amount to what would be the exhibition season for everyone else. The young man is way behind but it is nice to see him on the court instead of wearing a designer suit.

If Danilo can hit the outside shot with consistency, it will open up the court considerably for Nate and Wilson Chandler as the two players who can shoot off the dribble and roll to the rack. David Lee can work on his mid range shot.

Marcus Camby can hold it down until reinforcements arrive.

Good post, I agree. I personally am beyond what pick he was selected with(#6 for those counting) and am now only worried about him as a player. What does he bring to the table. Even if he never improves, we know we have a guy with a legitimate jumper. That will make other players better as it spreads the floor just like you said.

Posted by Martice:

Posted by TMS:

i am fully aware of Nate's ability, it's his head that i question sometimes like i said before... & w/the 2010 plan finally within reach, i just don't think signing him up to a longterm contract is worth sacrificing that plan... i think we need to keep our options open & acquire assets to use in a draft day trade if we can... i think that will benefit our franchise more than it would to lock up Lee & Nate longterm after this season... just MHO.

I agree on all points but would like to add to one of your above statements. Nate can mature. It's something most of us do in our lifetime. Making better choices comes with experience and I don't think Nate is beyond the threshold of 'Getting it'.

Now one thing I do notice about Nate is he plays very fast. Very fast in way of Barry Sanders. Now what may look out of control to us may be controlled and clear to Nate. Regardless of how fast he is, he still has to play within the tempo of the team and game overall but at times, you have to let him do his thing because most people and the court can't stay with him. That is what happened to San Antonio the other night. He may give up inches but he is a weapon all by himself. Now many players you can say that about. Think about the names you would consider being a weapon all by themselves.

If he can control the mental part of his game and we use his gifts as a weapon at the times we need it, I don't see many that I would want over him because regardless of height, I don't see many with the heart and toughness this guy has baring those above the 12 million per year salary maybe?

What do you think?

yeah i definitely would love to keep Nate if i could be confident that he will finally grow up someday, but the guy is so high strung i don't think u can expect a guy to change his personality... that's just who he is & what makes him such a unique player... when he's on u love the guy, but when he's not he makes u wanna pull ur hair out... a lotta similarities w/Nate & John Starks, my alltime favorite Knick, but in Nate's case sometimes his shenanigans seems to stem out of pride in himself over pride in being a NY Knick to me... i know it's a gray area comparison i bring up but i hope u can get the point i'm getting at here... if we hold onto Nate i really hope Donnie's got some other plan in place to dump Jefferies & Curry's dead weight... i don't wanna sacrifice a chance to sign a max FA in 2010 for anyone on this current roster.