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11/6/2008  6:41 AM
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I thought Duhon played well. He pushed the ball and played good D.

when?

Felton and DJ augustine had 30pts and 10 assist combined. The stories of how he's such a good anything is a myth. He had zero inpact on this Charlotte game. He was just there. He did not instill his will on the game.

to be fair a lot of the times Nate was guarding those guys... u can't lay all the blame on Duhon... i felt he played a solid game... didn't make an impact on offense but he also wasn't forcing up shots & made some good passes to the right guys when they were hot... that fastbreak where he got the ball from Nate & then touch passed it blind in back of him to Wilson for the layup +1 was money, & Duhon made some nice shots in spots also.

he plays completely unselfishly & doesn't make stupid mental mistakes when he's in the game as far as i've seen... he's the type of player that u won't notice at all in the boxscore but he also won't kill u w/his mistakes either... again, he's a backup PG in a starting role as a pure stopgap solution.

Nate is not a PG, he's a SG in a PG's body... if u watched the game u'd have seen Jamal was running point most of the time when Nate was in the game w/him... if u had a big PG like a Crittenton or Udrih for example then u could afford to start Nate at the SG spot, but u can't have a starting backcourt of Duhon & Nate cuz u're gonna get abused by bigger G's every night... & we all know Jamal's a terrible defender so u can't have both Jamal & Nate starting in the backcourt either... Nate is best as an energizer off the bench, just like he's doing now IMO.
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11/6/2008  6:43 AM
what i would like to see is Q Rich & Jamal starting in the backcourt w/Chandler starting at the 3, & both Duhon & Nate coming off the bench... i think that would be our best combo as far as G's go.
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11/6/2008  7:17 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by NYKBocker:

I thought Duhon played well. He pushed the ball and played good D.

when?

Felton and DJ augustine had 30pts and 10 assist combined. The stories of how he's such a good anything is a myth. He had zero inpact on this Charlotte game. He was just there. He did not instill his will on the game.

to be fair a lot of the times Nate was guarding those guys... u can't lay all the blame on Duhon... i felt he played a solid game... didn't make an impact on offense but he also wasn't forcing up shots & made some good passes to the right guys when they were hot... that fastbreak where he got the ball from Nate & then touch passed it blind in back of him to Wilson for the layup +1 was money, & Duhon made some nice shots in spots also.

he plays completely unselfishly & doesn't make stupid mental mistakes when he's in the game as far as i've seen... he's the type of player that u won't notice at all in the boxscore but he also won't kill u w/his mistakes either... again, he's a backup PG in a starting role as a pure stopgap solution.

Nate is not a PG, he's a SG in a PG's body... if u watched the game u'd have seen Jamal was running point most of the time when Nate was in the game w/him... if u had a big PG like a Crittenton or Udrih for example then u could afford to start Nate at the SG spot, but u can't have a starting backcourt of Duhon & Nate cuz u're gonna get abused by bigger G's every night... & we all know Jamal's a terrible defender so u can't have both Jamal & Nate starting in the backcourt either... Nate is best as an energizer off the bench, just like he's doing now IMO.


So we agree that Duhon's impact on the game was virtually nil and he shouldnt start????

I like Nate as a spark plug but Duhon isnt busy enough to warrent starting.....if Duhon played on the Houston Rockets with teamates like McGrady, Yao and Artest he would fit....he could be that bug on the wall and seem like he is so efficient. On the Knicks he is wasting our time cuz he doesnt mix it up. He's not a threat to do anything not even on defense cuz guys are blowing buy him and scoring in his face.

Nate is such a good scorer and shooter that you need to have a guy good enough to run the point along side him. Brandon Roy would be perfect next to him like he was in college. Craw is close to that so I believe that should be the starting backcourt....Duhon is a waste....Roberson is here and so is collins.....why they hell is Duhon even here? it totally pissed me off.

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11/6/2008  7:42 AM
Duhon's better than Roberson dude, come on... Roberson's a bus ticket away from playing in the D Leagues... & Mardy can't run the point effectively either, he's a defensive bench player u put in to fill some minutes & play a little D, that's it... Duhon can at least knock down an open J & is more polished in a team style game than any of those guys... Nate is definitely a better player than he is but like i said, on this team he's not a good option to be starting at PG right now... Nate & Jamal in the backcourt won't work if u ask me, there's just too much defensive deficiency in both players to warrant that.

Jamal & Q as our starting backcourt w/Chandler at the 3 gives u better D than u have now overall... Nate as the 6th man & Duhon as a backup PG off the bench give u 2 guys who can fill their roles perfectly, Nate as the instant offense & Duhon as a solid backup orchestrator.
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11/6/2008  8:22 AM
Posted by TMS:

Duhon's better than Roberson dude, come on... Roberson's a bus ticket away from playing in the D Leagues... & Mardy can't run the point effectively either, he's a defensive bench player u put in to fill some minutes & play a little D, that's it... Duhon can at least knock down an open J & is more polished in a team style game than any of those guys... Nate is definitely a better player than he is but like i said, on this team he's not a good option to be starting at PG right now... Nate & Jamal in the backcourt won't work if u ask me, there's just too much defensive deficiency in both players to warrant that.

Jamal & Q as our starting backcourt w/Chandler at the 3 gives u better D than u have now overall... Nate as the 6th man & Duhon as a backup PG off the bench give u 2 guys who can fill their roles perfectly, Nate as the instant offense & Duhon as a solid backup orchestrator.

That works too cuz in that way Craw handles the ball more therefore keeping him busy. Just as long as Duhon isn't starting.
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11/6/2008  8:57 AM
i think when Jamal ran a lot of the PG duties under LB he played much more under control & his shooting average was higher than in other years when he was given the green light to launch at will... yeah, his PPG averages were the lowest of his career but he also took a ton less shots as well... i'd have no problem w/Jamal running point this season & Duhon backing him up... Q would give us a much better matchup against bigger G's at the 2 than Jamal also... too bad Mardy can't shoot if his life depended on it or else i'd be willing to take a shot w/him as our starting 2G.

if we could just combine Jamal & Mardy into 1 player, & Nate & Duhon into another, we'd have a pretty decent starting backcourt tandem.
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11/6/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by TMS:

i think when Jamal ran a lot of the PG duties under LB he played much more under control & his shooting average was higher than in other years when he was given the green light to launch at will... yeah, his PPG averages were the lowest of his career but he also took a ton less shots as well... i'd have no problem w/Jamal running point this season & Duhon backing him up... Q would give us a much better matchup against bigger G's at the 2 than Jamal also... too bad Mardy can't shoot if his life depended on it or else i'd be willing to take a shot w/him as our starting 2G.

if we could just combine Jamal & Mardy into 1 player, & Nate & Duhon into another, we'd have a pretty decent starting backcourt tandem.

Never going to happen. Duhon is our starting PG this year. I think D'Antoni wants consistency and he will ride this one out. Honestly, I didn't think he was that bad last night. The only thing I would change right now with the Knicks is the following. Start The Mayor along with DLee and ZBo in the front line. Duhon and Crawford at the guard position. Nate comes off the bench first followed by QRich, Gallo and Mardy. Malik as your 10th man. When JJSkinny comes back you ease him in and replace Malik. Then eventually go ahead of QRich or Mardy as he gets more comfortable.
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11/6/2008  12:40 PM
i know it's not gonna happen cuz Duhon came in w/the promise that he'd be the starting PG... i'm fine w/him as the starting PG this year, it's a throw away for me anyways... i just wanna see Chandler starting so if that means moving Q to the bench or to the starting SG spot, then u gotta do what u gotta do... i don't see Jamal getting relegated back to the bench tho even tho i wouldn't care if he became the 6th man either... only problem is since Nate's not a PG u can't start him & Q Rich in the backcourt... u need someone who knows how to orchestrate out there, & other than Craw, Duhon's the only other guy on this team that knows how.
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11/6/2008  12:55 PM
Posted by TMS:

i know it's not gonna happen cuz Duhon came in w/the promise that he'd be the starting PG... i'm fine w/him as the starting PG this year, it's a throw away for me anyways... i just wanna see Chandler starting so if that means moving Q to the bench or to the starting SG spot, then u gotta do what u gotta do... i don't see Jamal getting relegated back to the bench tho even tho i wouldn't care if he became the 6th man either... only problem is since Nate's not a PG u can't start him & Q Rich in the backcourt... u need someone who knows how to orchestrate out there, & other than Craw, Duhon's the only other guy on this team that knows how.

This guy's right there with Charlie Ward and Chris Childs IMO. Very similar to these guys - pretty good but not great defense, decent slasher, adequate passer and an above average shooter from long range. I actually think Duhon should take more threes... I like his jumper from deep a lot.
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11/6/2008  1:05 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
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i know it's not gonna happen cuz Duhon came in w/the promise that he'd be the starting PG... i'm fine w/him as the starting PG this year, it's a throw away for me anyways... i just wanna see Chandler starting so if that means moving Q to the bench or to the starting SG spot, then u gotta do what u gotta do... i don't see Jamal getting relegated back to the bench tho even tho i wouldn't care if he became the 6th man either... only problem is since Nate's not a PG u can't start him & Q Rich in the backcourt... u need someone who knows how to orchestrate out there, & other than Craw, Duhon's the only other guy on this team that knows how.

This guy's right there with Charlie Ward and Chris Childs IMO. Very similar to these guys - pretty good but not great defense, decent slasher, adequate passer and an above average shooter from long range. I actually think Duhon should take more threes... I like his jumper from deep a lot.

so do i... he's got a nice stroke from the perimeter... sometimes i think he plays a little too unselfishly, but that should be a good thing... unfortunately we don't have the guys that can knock down shots consistently to make that a good thing.
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11/6/2008  10:34 PM
The coaching staff keeps beating into Alan Hahn's head that they see Chandler more as a PF in their system. He'd be an upgrade over Lee on both sides of the ball so I say start Chandler over Lee.

As for QRich:

1. He's barely fast enough to guard SFs right now, I'd hate to see him try to guard SGs.

2. A large portion of this offense is penetrating and kicking it out to the perimeter. QRich can't do that, so I feel that 2 of the 3 who can (Duhon, Nate, and Craw) should always be on the court together.

In sum, I'd start Duhon, Craw, QRich (hopefully Gallo can take over later this year), Chandler, Z-Bo. Nate and Lee are the first two off the bench, followed by Malik until Jeffries comes back.
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11/6/2008  11:54 PM
interesting scenario, i can see Chandler handling the PF duties too but he's still a little undersized.... if we had a true big C i could see that working out, but we don't.

i think regardless of who plays at PF, whether that be Zach, Lee or Wilson, we still need to get in a real C who can block shots & rebound the ball in the paint.
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11/7/2008  8:37 AM
You guys still focus too much on who is starting and who is not. You will see Chandler's minutes go up as the season goes on. I think D'Antoni likes having the spark of Nate and Chandler coming into the game together. Wilson also gives you a 2nd guy to go along with Nate who can create offense for themselves and others. If you move Q to the bench and start Wilson then you lose some of the versatility of the 2nd team.

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