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11/15/2007  1:43 AM
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Isiah and Marbury Pre-Game Press

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First Half Game File


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11/15/2007  1:45 AM
You guys are fake fans.

The real fans knew to turn the game off in the 3rd quarter.
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11/15/2007  1:45 AM
Wow, does Lee not play anymore because he doesn't have information that can be used to blackmail Isiah?
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11/15/2007  1:51 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by King1:

Nixluva my wife left me for a yak herder in Bangladesh, my trailer was blown away by a tornado, and and the neighbor caught me making love to one of their sheep. Can you spin this and tell me everything is going to be fine. Give me hope

I'm confident that, despite your setbacks, the future is bright ahead if you just stay the course. Are you perfect? No, but the point is you have a plan and you're executing it. The important thing for us, as your fellow posters on UK, is to continue to support you.

Anyone who thinks your situation isn't improving just isn't paying attention.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 11-15-2007 01:38]

You just need more touches... And watch how the sheep babies will look like.
kids are always better that parents
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11/15/2007  2:14 AM
curry is outplayed by kaman? kaman? geez, well, you know what. Kaman was blessed with little ability, but the guy worked hard to make it in this league( he is one ugly mofo tho), but this is what hard work and some ability can get you..

curry on the other hand, comes into camp 20 pounds overweight, our season was riding on this guy comming into camp in shape, I mean could you imagine the message it would have sent to this team, that the so called franchise player is serious about winning? geez.. and it shows, curry scores in the first half and is dead tired in the second half, he can't even get that jump hook to fall from 3 feel. No lift, and he is too tired to fight for position, so he just stands behind kaman and gives a half hearted jump, because he is tired.. the end result.. kamen looks like bill walton in the 70's!!!

DAMN!!!!
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11/15/2007  2:26 AM
Posted by tkf:

curry is outplayed by kaman? kaman? geez, well, you know what. Kaman was blessed with little ability, but the guy worked hard to make it in this league( he is one ugly mofo tho), but this is what hard work and some ability can get you..

curry on the other hand, comes into camp 20 pounds overweight, our season was riding on this guy comming into camp in shape, I mean could you imagine the message it would have sent to this team, that the so called franchise player is serious about winning? geez.. and it shows, curry scores in the first half and is dead tired in the second half, he can't even get that jump hook to fall from 3 feel. No lift, and he is too tired to fight for position, so he just stands behind kaman and gives a half hearted jump, because he is tired.. the end result.. kamen looks like bill walton in the 70's!!!

DAMN!!!!


All Reports told us he came in 20lbs under last seasons ending playing weight. But if he gains weight as the season progresses which he's clearly doing right now, then did the guy really lose weight? He's not even an improved player from last yr which is sad. Right now he has a 7gm streak going where his assist haven't been greater than his turnovers, although his turnovers appear to be down overall but that's because his touches are down. He looks like he's 300lbs and even the Clipper announcers tonight said he looks clearly bigger than last yr.
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11/15/2007  2:54 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

curry is outplayed by kaman? kaman? geez, well, you know what. Kaman was blessed with little ability, but the guy worked hard to make it in this league( he is one ugly mofo tho), but this is what hard work and some ability can get you..

curry on the other hand, comes into camp 20 pounds overweight, our season was riding on this guy comming into camp in shape, I mean could you imagine the message it would have sent to this team, that the so called franchise player is serious about winning? geez.. and it shows, curry scores in the first half and is dead tired in the second half, he can't even get that jump hook to fall from 3 feel. No lift, and he is too tired to fight for position, so he just stands behind kaman and gives a half hearted jump, because he is tired.. the end result.. kamen looks like bill walton in the 70's!!!

DAMN!!!!


All Reports told us he came in 20lbs under last seasons ending playing weight. But if he gains weight as the season progresses which he's clearly doing right now, then did the guy really lose weight? He's not even an improved player from last yr which is sad. Right now he has a 7gm streak going where his assist haven't been greater than his turnovers, although his turnovers appear to be down overall but that's because his touches are down. He looks like he's 300lbs and even the Clipper announcers tonight said he looks clearly bigger than last yr.


That is BS.. Now ay curry is lighter than he was last year.. No way.. right now he looks bigger than ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/15/2007  3:04 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by tkf:

curry is outplayed by kaman? kaman? geez, well, you know what. Kaman was blessed with little ability, but the guy worked hard to make it in this league( he is one ugly mofo tho), but this is what hard work and some ability can get you..

curry on the other hand, comes into camp 20 pounds overweight, our season was riding on this guy comming into camp in shape, I mean could you imagine the message it would have sent to this team, that the so called franchise player is serious about winning? geez.. and it shows, curry scores in the first half and is dead tired in the second half, he can't even get that jump hook to fall from 3 feel. No lift, and he is too tired to fight for position, so he just stands behind kaman and gives a half hearted jump, because he is tired.. the end result.. kamen looks like bill walton in the 70's!!!

DAMN!!!!


All Reports told us he came in 20lbs under last seasons ending playing weight. But if he gains weight as the season progresses which he's clearly doing right now, then did the guy really lose weight? He's not even an improved player from last yr which is sad. Right now he has a 7gm streak going where his assist haven't been greater than his turnovers, although his turnovers appear to be down overall but that's because his touches are down. He looks like he's 300lbs and even the Clipper announcers tonight said he looks clearly bigger than last yr.


That is BS.. Now ay curry is lighter than he was last year.. No way.. right now he looks bigger than ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I got reamed for saying he didn't look any different than he usually does during Media Day, even posting past seasons Media Day pics showing the non noticeable differences. I told everyone he looked about 285 at best and when he wouldn't divulge his official weight to the media I knew it was a red flag. It's funny how every yr since he's been here he's lost some kind of weight yet he looks like JTH out there especially after considerable games into the season. Oh well it's another let down to those who believed.
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11/15/2007  8:40 AM
curry looks like a bowl of jelly, everything jiggles when he runs.
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11/15/2007  9:40 AM
Is it really worth analyzing a game we've seen about 200 times over the past 3 seasons?

Probably not so I'll just post majorlead's video instead.



Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

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11/15/2007  9:43 AM
^ Cosmic, I edited to use YouTube tags.
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11/15/2007  10:19 AM
This team is missing a PG who controls the game. A PG that knows how to exploit situations to get a basket when nothing seems to be working. Marbury, Crawford or Nate it doesn't matter they can never let their team miss 17 straight shots. That is absurd number of straight misses. The Knicks need to address this quickly and get a pg in here that can shoot with some consistency and make things happen when the team is struggling.

Isiah is already a hater of Marbury Isiah should do him and Marbury a favor and make a deal with Sacramento somehow and get Artest and Bibby out of the deal. Very dissapointed with last nights loss. This team is full of excuses and some are warranted but some are just pathetic.
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11/15/2007  10:28 AM
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah is already a hater of Marbury Isiah should do him and Marbury a favor and make a deal with Sacramento somehow and get Artest and Bibby out of the deal.

Bibby and Artest are more of the same. Sacramento is in bad straights, they need to rebuild. I prefer we don't squander our assets to help rebuild yet another franchise before our own.
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11/15/2007  10:38 AM
Posted by nixluva:

No matter what happens on this road trip from here on out, I still believe this team will right the ship and play some good basketball. We need for Zach to get thru this funeral and get some closure on this sad part of his life. Then we need to get healthy, which seems like we only have minor injuries at this point. I think we're gonna see better ball.

I don't predict too many quarters like the 3rd happening once we get settled again. Make fun of the offense all you want, but when this team get's right the scoring will be back. What i'm hoping for is some better D. When we get Mardy and Balk back. We'll see, but i'm still not sold that this team is about to collapse. No real blowouts and most of the games look like we're actually killing ourselves right now more than teams are really flat out beating us. With the exception of the PHX game, which wasn't our normal roster.

i hate to pile it on here, but...

once we have our full team (without any personal or injury absences) and once our offense and defense improves, we'll be fine? whew, that's a relief.
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11/15/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah is already a hater of Marbury Isiah should do him and Marbury a favor and make a deal with Sacramento somehow and get Artest and Bibby out of the deal.

Bibby and Artest are more of the same. Sacramento is in bad straights, they need to rebuild. I prefer we don't squander our assets to help rebuild yet another franchise before our own.

I have come to the conclusion that what we presume to be assets are basically not. Lee, Balkman, Nate, Jeffereies, Crawford, Marbury Are all flawed players. Lee is vastly overrated by the fans here, He is nothing but a stick back and rebounding player who can't hit the broad side of the barn and that goes for Balkman also, I forgot to mention Mardy the great he more of the same. The only ones worth keeping out of this lot is Randolph Morris and Chandler only because we haven't seen enough of them yet. Right now I want nothing to do with Crawford, MArbury I will be very happy to see these two go if it mean packaging some of these young players so be it.
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11/15/2007  10:55 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah is already a hater of Marbury Isiah should do him and Marbury a favor and make a deal with Sacramento somehow and get Artest and Bibby out of the deal.

Bibby and Artest are more of the same. Sacramento is in bad straights, they need to rebuild. I prefer we don't squander our assets to help rebuild yet another franchise before our own.

I have come to the conclusion that what we presume to be assets are basically not. Lee, Balkman, Nate, Jeffereies, Crawford, Marbury Are all flawed players. Lee is vastly overrated by the fans here, He is nothing but a stick back and rebounding player who can't hit the broad side of the barn and that goes for Balkman also, I forgot to mention Mardy the great he more of the same. The only ones worth keeping out of this lot is Randolph Morris and Chandler only because we haven't seen enough of them yet. Right now I want nothing to do with Crawford, MArbury I will be very happy to see these two go if it mean packaging some of these young players so be it.

Well said, but you're not going to trade the guys you don't like for Bibby and Artest, you're still going to have to give them youth and/or picks, and possibly take back more bad contracts. Bibby and Artest will not turn our bad players into good ones, just like they're not in Sacramento, so what is the point?
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11/15/2007  11:01 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah is already a hater of Marbury Isiah should do him and Marbury a favor and make a deal with Sacramento somehow and get Artest and Bibby out of the deal.

Bibby and Artest are more of the same. Sacramento is in bad straights, they need to rebuild. I prefer we don't squander our assets to help rebuild yet another franchise before our own.

I have come to the conclusion that what we presume to be assets are basically not. Lee, Balkman, Nate, Jeffereies, Crawford, Marbury Are all flawed players. Lee is vastly overrated by the fans here, He is nothing but a stick back and rebounding player who can't hit the broad side of the barn and that goes for Balkman also, I forgot to mention Mardy the great he more of the same. The only ones worth keeping out of this lot is Randolph Morris and Chandler only because we haven't seen enough of them yet. Right now I want nothing to do with Crawford, MArbury I will be very happy to see these two go if it mean packaging some of these young players so be it.

Well said, but you're not going to trade the guys you don't like for Bibby and Artest, you're still going to have to give them youth and/or picks, and possibly take back more bad contracts. Bibby and Artest will not turn our bad players into good ones, just like they're not in Sacramento, so what is the point?

Wasn't Bibby doing well with the Kings and was a vital part of them making the playoffs same with Artest he was vital to the Pacers making the playoffs. What I see in the those players is that they have been there to the playoffs. What I also see is that Bibby has a much better shooting game than Marbury and Crawford combined he is more a dead eye shooter. Artest is a better and more conscience shooter than Crawford will ever be and he plays defense which is what this is all coming down to the lack of good defense combined with good shooting.



[Edited by - Vmart on 11-15-2007 11:03 AM]
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11/15/2007  11:08 AM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Vmart:

Isiah is already a hater of Marbury Isiah should do him and Marbury a favor and make a deal with Sacramento somehow and get Artest and Bibby out of the deal.

Bibby and Artest are more of the same. Sacramento is in bad straights, they need to rebuild. I prefer we don't squander our assets to help rebuild yet another franchise before our own.

I have come to the conclusion that what we presume to be assets are basically not. Lee, Balkman, Nate, Jeffereies, Crawford, Marbury Are all flawed players. Lee is vastly overrated by the fans here, He is nothing but a stick back and rebounding player who can't hit the broad side of the barn and that goes for Balkman also, I forgot to mention Mardy the great he more of the same. The only ones worth keeping out of this lot is Randolph Morris and Chandler only because we haven't seen enough of them yet. Right now I want nothing to do with Crawford, MArbury I will be very happy to see these two go if it mean packaging some of these young players so be it.

Well said, but you're not going to trade the guys you don't like for Bibby and Artest, you're still going to have to give them youth and/or picks, and possibly take back more bad contracts. Bibby and Artest will not turn our bad players into good ones, just like they're not in Sacramento, so what is the point?

Wasn't Bibby doing well with the Kings and was a vital part of them making the playoffs same with Artest he was vital to the Pacers making the playoffs. What I see in the those players is that they have been there to the playoffs. What I also see is that Bibby has a much better shooting game than Marbury and Crawford combined he is more a dead eye shooter. Artest is a better and more conscience shooter than Crawford will ever be and he plays defense which is what this is all coming down to the lack of good defense combined with good shooting.



[Edited by - Vmart on 11-15-2007 11:03 AM]


Do you think we can trade Marbury and Crawford for Bibby and Artest?
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11/15/2007  11:19 AM
Mike Bibby has been an atrocious player for going on two seasons now. He is not an answer to any problems.

To be perfectly honest neither is Ron Artest. This team needs changes, drastic changes, because even at their healthiest and best they are never going to contend for more than a .500 record and maybe a playoff berth. Crawford and Curry are never going to realize their "potential". Marbury is done. Our youth is largely mediocre. Guys like Jeffries, Malik, James are just pathetic.

This team is flawed top to bottom it is time to cut off the head of the snake (Isiah) and rebuild.

Back to the Kings trade idea: Do you want a team of Bibby, Crawford, Artest, Zach, Curry? It's the same problems. Curry and Crawford aren't changing regardless of who you place alongside them. Now you have Bibby who is garbage and this means your core is Artest (A madman) and Zach (an unknown variable).

That's not a team that's the same old trap that Isiah falls into time and again.

Enough already. We need to tear it down and do this properly.

Fans can get behind a rebuild process if it has a bonafide direction and is guided by a competent individual. Fans are sick and tired of moral victories, empty promises, lackluster play, excuses, and the idea that yet another trade will suddenly turn all the lazy players into the stars people thought they could be.

Not Going To Happen


It's time to move on but I don't know if it's Jimmy Dolan's time to move on. That guy has one hell of a long fuse it would seem. His breaking point is so far beyond any one else's that by the time changes are made every single fan of the team is outraged and inconsolable.


It hurts most for fans like myself who will indeed continue to watch every game they can wire to wire.
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11/15/2007  11:23 AM
I believe it can be done reason is that Stephon has a expiring deal next year and that holds a lot of water in the NBA especially for a team like the Kings who need their cap space to sign FA. Crawford holds less value because Martin is there and Salmons is playing decent and they have a lot of wing players but if you take back a bad contract like Thomas it might get done. Knicks would essentially might have to take three players off the Kings hand. Thomas, Artest and Bibby. Some fillers here and there but it can happen. What we have to keep in mind is that Marbury is not going to be a part of their team and they would know it.
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