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2/21/2007  8:14 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Newsflash: Some people are born gay nad some people choose to be gay.

The fact and my point is did we need those two to broadcast this if everyone knows these things exist. NO

So it boils down to this what made it right for them to broadcast their homosexuality prefrence to the masses ? Anyone who agrees with them manup

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2/21/2007  8:18 AM
Amechi has unique experiences and struggles to share with us. I respect him for having the courage to share them.
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2/21/2007  8:20 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Newsflash: Some people are born gay nad some people choose to be gay.

The fact and my point is did we need those two to broadcast this if everyone knows these things exist. NO

So it boils down to this what made it right for them to broadcast their homosexuality prefrence to the masses ? Anyone who agrees with them manup
same thing that makes it right for you to broadcast your religious preferences to the masses. Freedom

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2/21/2007  8:23 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Amechi has unique experiences and struggles to share with us. I respect him for having the courage to share them.


Bonn my friend, nobody disrespected amachei when he played as a homosexual even though some thought he was, only when he chose to expose his sexual prefrences to the masses instead of just his lovers did he get criticized by hardaway. Why couldn't Amaechi just have lived his life ???
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2/21/2007  8:32 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Newsflash: Some people are born gay nad some people choose to be gay.

The fact and my point is did we need those two to broadcast this if everyone knows these things exist. NO

So it boils down to this what made it right for them to broadcast their homosexuality prefrence to the masses ? Anyone who agrees with them manup
same thing that makes it right for you to broadcast your religious preferences to the masses. Freedom

Fishmike , cmon bro so would you say for instance pedophiles,exhibitionists, pederasts etc... have the freedom to be allowed on to broadcast to the masses their preferences?

Why is it in society's interest to go down this path?

Is it Perversion

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2/21/2007  9:03 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Amechi has unique experiences and struggles to share with us. I respect him for having the courage to share them.


Bonn my friend, nobody disrespected amachei when he played as a homosexual even though some thought he was, only when he chose to expose his sexual prefrences to the masses instead of just his lovers did he get criticized by hardaway.

We have no idea whether he was disrespected. If he's like any other gay person, I'd assume he was.
Why couldn't Amaechi just have lived his life ???
Why does it bother you that he's sharing his unique experiences with us? I think what's so great about America (and Canada, where I'm living right now) is that people with all different views can share those views.
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2/21/2007  9:07 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Newsflash: Some people are born gay nad some people choose to be gay.

The fact and my point is did we need those two to broadcast this if everyone knows these things exist. NO

So it boils down to this what made it right for them to broadcast their homosexuality prefrence to the masses ? Anyone who agrees with them manup
same thing that makes it right for you to broadcast your religious preferences to the masses. Freedom

Fishmike , cmon bro so would you say for instance pedophiles,exhibitionists, pederasts etc... have the freedom to be allowed on to broadcast to the masses their preferences?
As Oohah explained, the act of pedophilia involves an authority figure and a victim. Homosexual behavior involves consensual behavior from two equal individuals. There's no comparison. For the 2nd group you mention: Exhibitionists are free to write books but they don't suffer from life-long discrimination like many other minorities and most likely few people would read the books.
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2/21/2007  10:35 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Does milk that gets HOMOgenized do it by choice? Or environment?

Marv needs to chim in on this "4 0f 5 dentists reccomend trident gum!"

Marv, whats your profession view this peversion we call "homosextuality?"

the psych world takes a stance now that homosexuality is a naturally-occurring phenomenon and not a disorder. the 'cause' is thought to be largely biological, though environment and temperament may have impact as well. there's disagreement about how much of a spectrum exists of sexual orientation or if it's more dichotomous. in other works, is there a lot more flexiblity in most people's sexual orientation or is it more set in stone? certainly has implications for all the 'choice' questions, doesn't it?

there's also controversy in the use of treatments to 'change' someone's orientation. years ago it was not uncommon for someone to seek therapy to repress homosexual desire. there was of course traditional talk therapy meant to 'analyze' the cause. there was also behavioral treatment in the form of aversive conditioning. you show someone pictures of naked men (i don't think too many women signed up for this) while you deliver moderate electrical shocks to them, sometimes directly to the nuts. that'll kill a buzz, won't it? then again it could conceivably enhance someone's if they were a masochist, right? hmmmm. anyway, some practitioners want to still practice treatment to 'convert' homosexuals and challenge the prevailing powers of the profession.

at any rate out in the real work of psychology practice the majority of people who seek help these days regarding sexual orientation are addressing their confusion about their orientation or are distressed about a conflict between sexual desire and preferred self-image/lifestyle. believe me this can be an extremely debilitating situation for people. having a healthy sense of self includes being able to express yourself sexually. when people can't integrate that into their lives it crates tremendous stress, to the point where it can wreck someone's life or lead them to suicide.

as far as some of the questions on this thread, the profession would respond that sexual interest in a child is a distinct disorder, and not related to sexual orientation.

as far as "causing" someone to become gay, the response would be that the desire wouild have been already there, even if in dormant form. it wasn't created by the other person.

as far as amaechi or swoopse's motivation for publicizing themselves, besides the possible personal monetary gain, the larger benefit would be for society to become increasingly tolerant of people living openly gay lives and to decrease fear, stigmatization and hatred based on sexual orientation.

all right, that's the psych soapbox for today.
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2/21/2007  11:04 AM
as far as amaechi or swoopse's motivation for publicizing themselves, besides the possible personal monetary gain, the larger benefit would be for society to become increasingly tolerant of people living openly gay lives and to decrease fear, stigmatization and hatred based on sexual orientation.

all right, that's the psych soapbox for today.



Deliverance from homosexuality is a process. That it is a process is underscored by the number of people who find that "instant deliverance" is not what it's cranked up to be. Homosexuality takes root in a person's life through a developmental process or more aptly the lack of development in certain areas of masculinity, same sex parental relationship, stunted emotional growth and other factors. Such deeply engrained factors are not addressed by instant deliverance, but by a sustained program of counseling and obedience to the overcoming principles of the scriptures --after delieverance. Instant deliverance does not mean that every struggle is obliterated, never to return, it simply means that God honors the cry for freedom and He initiates that with His divine response. It is the "alpha" of the journey which will culminate in the "omega."



The process encompasses the following:

1. Cleansing the soul

2. Liberating the body

3. Transforming the mind





Each of these parts of the TOTAL deliverance has a time span and the success of each is dependent upon the respondent.

Most only address the bodily urges, but forget we are made up of SPIRIT SOUL AND BODY.

Psych's and liberal minds should spend a little time with a spiritual application to this problem to get a more well rounded view to add to what they already understand.



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2/21/2007  11:14 AM
Amechi wrote a book about his life. Whats wrong with that?
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2/21/2007  11:40 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Amechi has unique experiences and struggles to share with us. I respect him for having the courage to share them.


Bonn my friend, nobody disrespected amachei when he played as a homosexual even though some thought he was, only when he chose to expose his sexual prefrences to the masses instead of just his lovers did he get criticized by hardaway. Why couldn't Amaechi just have lived his life ???

Probably because of homophobes like you preventing him from coming out at the time.
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2/21/2007  11:41 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Newsflash: Some people are born gay nad some people choose to be gay.

The fact and my point is did we need those two to broadcast this if everyone knows these things exist. NO

So it boils down to this what made it right for them to broadcast their homosexuality prefrence to the masses ? Anyone who agrees with them manup
same thing that makes it right for you to broadcast your religious preferences to the masses. Freedom

Fishmike , cmon bro so would you say for instance pedophiles,exhibitionists, pederasts etc... have the freedom to be allowed on to broadcast to the masses their preferences?

Why is it in society's interest to go down this path?

Is it Perversion

Being gay and those things listed are not the same. If you think they are, it just shows your ignorance.

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2/21/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Amechi wrote a book about his life. Whats wrong with that?


Writing the book isn't wrong but it's quite interesting the books written about sexual orientation centered on being gay are what get major publicity.


I'm still waiting for someone to adequately explain why their isn't more of concern to establish Global Moral Standards(Give It some Scientific/Psychologistic Fancy Name Of Study) instead of promoting spiritual skepticism and immoral condonence.


Spiritual Accountability in this world is very similar to the Knicks in some ways. Place blame, accept no resposibility, beg off forgiveness, insult the intellectuals, entitlement, unlimited freedom with no consequences, shun criticism, gag protestors, one dimensionalism, deviate from plan at the first sign of adversity, devoid of reproach, happy to be average or below etc etc etc.


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2/21/2007  11:43 AM
http://www.homonomo.com/

Here's the link to "Doin' Time in The Homo No Mo Halfway House - How I Survived The Ex-Gay Movement"

It's a one man show by a guy who was a closet homosexual and an active missionary who went through the process of trying to de-gayify himself through a Christian 12-step sexual reprogramming retreat.

Obviously it didn't take. His piece is hilarious and very moving. He plays several different characters including his parents. He was on Montel Williams' just yesterday. When my wife and I went to see his one-man show, the doctor who delivered our children was in the audience with his boyfriend (who knew).

Check out his site for info and performance dates. You too, Playa2.
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2/21/2007  11:57 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Amechi wrote a book about his life. Whats wrong with that?


Writing the book isn't wrong but it's quite interesting the books written about sexual orientation centered on being gay are what get major publicity.


I'm still waiting for someone to adequately explain why their isn't more of concern to establish Global Moral Standards(Give It some Scientific/Psychologistic Fancy Name Of Study) instead of promoting spiritual skepticism and immoral condonence.


Spiritual Accountability in this world is very similar to the Knicks in some ways. Place blame, accept no resposibility, beg off forgiveness, insult the intellectuals, entitlement, unlimited freedom with no consequences, shun criticism, gag protestors, one dimensionalism, deviate from plan at the first sign of adversity, devoid of reproach, happy to be average or below etc etc etc.


It's hard enough to get local agreement on many things, why would you want or expect global agreement on the touchiest of subjects: morality?

And why even mention it here other than to insinuate that homosexuality would place highly on the "Don't" side of the "do's and don'ts" list?

Is it your argument that all gays are immoral and should suffer some sort of GLOBAL consternation, as if the local banishment and humiliation that often is sufficient to cause self-hate and suicide isn't destructive enough?

This proposed global initiative on morality sounds like a grandiose means to mount a high horse and swing an axe, which could be used to legitimize all sorts of heineous, self-righteous behaviors. Much like the Crusades.

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-21-2007 12:00 PM]
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2/21/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Amechi wrote a book about his life. Whats wrong with that?

Nothing, that has never been an issue with me.

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2/21/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Andrew:

Amechi wrote a book about his life. Whats wrong with that?


Writing the book isn't wrong but it's quite interesting the books written about sexual orientation centered on being gay are what get major publicity.


I'm still waiting for someone to adequately explain why their isn't more of concern to establish Global Moral Standards(Give It some Scientific/Psychologistic Fancy Name Of Study) instead of promoting spiritual skepticism and immoral condonence.


Spiritual Accountability in this world is very similar to the Knicks in some ways. Place blame, accept no resposibility, beg off forgiveness, insult the intellectuals, entitlement, unlimited freedom with no consequences, shun criticism, gag protestors, one dimensionalism, deviate from plan at the first sign of adversity, devoid of reproach, happy to be average or below etc etc etc.


It's hard enough to get local agreement on many things, why would you want or expect global agreement on the touchiest of subjects: morality?

And why even mention it here other than to insinuate that homosexuality would place highly on the "Don't" side of the "do's and don'ts" list?

Is it your argument that all gays are immoral and should suffer some sort of GLOBAL consternation, as if the local banishment and humiliation that often is sufficient to cause self-hate and suicide isn't destructive enough?

This proposed global initiative on morality sounds like a grandiose means to mount a high horse and swing an axe, which could be used to legitimize all sorts of heineous, self-righteous behaviors. Much like the Crusades.

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-21-2007 12:00 PM]


Blue when I speak I include myself as a guilty party maybe not to the severist degree as the next man but nonetheless falling short of moral standards. I believe in them or of them. All I'm saying is why isn't there more of a concern to find at the very minimum a medium? Because man is scared a Crusade will break out! Let's do away then with Human government in general because Wars happen every day on the basis Governmental Sovereignty. The Crusades happened not because of a Global Moral Standard was attempted it was because they tried to make Religious Rights exclusive to a class or group of people. Although they felt they were doing things in the name of God.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-21-2007 11:20 AM]
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2/21/2007  12:33 PM
True, what is it you want this global initiative to accomplish, and why mention it in this thread?

And what if it were dominated by communists, who frowned on the practice and expression of religions? What if it were dominated by liberals who sought to "legitimize" homosexuality and pornography on television? What if it were dominated by fundamentalist Islamics, who sought to repress loud music and women? What if it were dominated by fundamentalist Christians wanting to fire-bomb abortion clinics globally?

Do you really think there can be a moral consensus, and would you personally find it influential upon yourself if it challenged and refuted your personal sense of morality?

[Edited by - blueseats on 02-21-2007 12:37 PM]
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2/21/2007  12:37 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

True, what is it you want this global initiative to accomplish, and why mention it in this thread?

And what if it were dominated by communists, who frowned on the practice expression of religion? What if it were dominated by liberals who sought to "legitimize" homosexuality and soft porn on television? What if it were dominated by fundamentalist Islam, who sought to repress loud music and women? What if it were dominated by fundamentalist Christians wanting to fire-bomb abortion clinics globally?

Do you really think there can be a moral consensus, and would you personally find it influential upon yourself if it challenged and refuted your personal sense of morality?


I know it's impossible at least where we stand today. I'm trying to make a point of how far removed from accountability we are.
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2/21/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:

True, what is it you want this global initiative to accomplish, and why mention it in this thread?

And what if it were dominated by communists, who frowned on the practice expression of religion? What if it were dominated by liberals who sought to "legitimize" homosexuality and soft porn on television? What if it were dominated by fundamentalist Islam, who sought to repress loud music and women? What if it were dominated by fundamentalist Christians wanting to fire-bomb abortion clinics globally?

Do you really think there can be a moral consensus, and would you personally find it influential upon yourself if it challenged and refuted your personal sense of morality?


I know it's impossible at least where we stand today. I'm trying to make a point of how far removed from accountability we are.


I'm not sure what role accountability plays. Many already commit acts that shame their families, send them to jail, and to the believers, damn them for all eternity.

Can some global consortium of priests, power mongers and intellectuals really raise the stakes above that?
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