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nyk4ever
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11/21/2005  11:23 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:


Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]

Frye is a nice player but he will never be the player KG is. We can't be overvaluing our youngsters guys.


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11/21/2005  11:23 PM
Posted by MS:

Please tell me you did not just say marbury was the best player on the olympic team, i hope that was a joke........

He wasn't even one of the top 5 players on the team by a long shot......marbury is me first, and he whines and won't listen because he thinks he is a star, superstars have more than two all-star appearance under their belt in 10 years
Who said Marbury was the best player on the olympic team? I didn't read every one of the 250 replies on this thread. I must have missed that one.
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11/21/2005  11:25 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:


Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]

Frye is a nice player but he will never be the player KG is. We can't be overvaluing our youngsters guys.
Even if he can start getting 12 rebounds ans 6 assists to go with 22 points per game, it will be more than 3 years. By that time, he will be as old as KG. KG is a finished product. The dude is a beast. We shoudl trade for him. Frye wont tip the scales one way or another.
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11/21/2005  11:25 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

I don't want KG over here The guy is almost 30 with suspected iffy knees... If we had to get him, trust me, we would be cutting our throats by unloading several of our youngsters along with some expiring contracts..

I personally believe it's not worth it!!! I rather take my chances on Lebron who is only 22 and has some upside.. That would be within the next yr or so..

Garnett does not perform in the clutch!! In his MVP yr, Lakers shut him down throughout the series.. 4 yrs old i would go for him but he's close to 30....

I say we live and die with the young knicks...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 9:00 PM]


we can always get youngsters. If we're going to be as bad as people think we're going to be with KG then we'll have a pick in the 15-20 range every year for Isiah to work his magic. My point is you can replace Frye. You can't replace KG! unless you truly rebuild and even then its a crapshoot

Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]


I don't think Frye will ever put up 24pts let alone 13rebs & 6assists. I'll be happy if Frye can average 7rebs someday and play half the defense KG plays

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 11-21-2005 11:26 PM]
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11/21/2005  11:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

Please tell me you did not just say marbury was the best player on the olympic team, i hope that was a joke........

He wasn't even one of the top 5 players on the team by a long shot......marbury is me first, and he whines and won't listen because he thinks he is a star, superstars have more than two all-star appearance under their belt in 10 years
Who said Marbury was the best player on the olympic team? I didn't read every one of the 250 replies on this thread. I must have missed that one.


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11/21/2005  11:26 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't think Frye will ever put up 24pts let alone 13rebs & 6assists. I'll be happy if Frye can average 7rebs someday
KG is a frnachise player. I'll be happy if Frye can turn into 2nd option and I think thats too much to ask.
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11/21/2005  11:28 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

Please tell me you did not just say marbury was the best player on the olympic team, i hope that was a joke........

He wasn't even one of the top 5 players on the team by a long shot......marbury is me first, and he whines and won't listen because he thinks he is a star, superstars have more than two all-star appearance under their belt in 10 years
Who said Marbury was the best player on the olympic team? I didn't read every one of the 250 replies on this thread. I must have missed that one.


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I think what Pharezone meant was that Marbury played better than anyone else on the team did when he said Marbury was the best player there. That's undeniably true. The team would have finished sixth if it wasn't for the record-setting game Marbury had. Even without that game, I think Marbury led the team in scoring with a high FG%.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 11:29 PM]
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11/21/2005  11:31 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't think Frye will ever put up 24pts let alone 13rebs & 6assists. I'll be happy if Frye can average 7rebs someday
KG is a frnachise player. I'll be happy if Frye can turn into 2nd option and I think thats too much to ask.


yeah I'm not sure if you can win a championship with Frye as your #1 bigman maybe if he had a Ben Wallace next to him or maybe if Curry can play over 30mins and take the reins over from Shaq as the games most dominant center but then Curry would get all the credit not Frye. Even if we had Kobe or Lebron. Channing would still need a Ben Wallace, dennis rodman playing next to him because Duncan would have a field day against Frye since Curry would most likely be on the bench
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11/21/2005  11:33 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

Please tell me you did not just say marbury was the best player on the olympic team, i hope that was a joke........

He wasn't even one of the top 5 players on the team by a long shot......marbury is me first, and he whines and won't listen because he thinks he is a star, superstars have more than two all-star appearance under their belt in 10 years
Who said Marbury was the best player on the olympic team? I didn't read every one of the 250 replies on this thread. I must have missed that one.


Pharzeone
I think what Pharezone meant was that Marbury played better than anyone else on the team did when he said Marbury was the best player there. That's undeniably true. The team would have finished sixth if it wasn't for the record-setting game Marbury had. Even without that game, I think Marbury led the team in scoring with a high FG%.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 11:29 PM]


yeah but one can counter that with if Kidd or Nash was running the team we'd crush to a gold metal with a guy like Duncan playing Center
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11/21/2005  11:39 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:


yeah but one can counter that with if Kidd or Nash was running the team we'd crush to a gold metal with a guy like Duncan playing Center


Point-Guard was not the problem of the olympic team. The problem was that the whole team was compromised of player that were totally non-conducent to the internation style of play. A guy like Kidd would have certainly helped but I don't think it would have changed the fate of the US. Players like Chris Duhon, Daniel Ewing and David Lee would have helped.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-21-2005 11:39 PM]
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11/21/2005  11:47 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:


Frye can end up being like a KG within 3 yrs.. I rather keep Frye and not go for KG.. He's close to 30 yrs old.. He'll only be a short term solution.. It's time for the Knicks to start thinking long-term...

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 11-21-2005 11:21 PM]

Frye is a nice player but he will never be the player KG is. We can't be overvaluing our youngsters guys.
It is possible!!! He went to an established institution for 4 yrs under a legendary coach named Lute olson. Frye is very fundamentally sound and polished.. Last big man player spending 4 yrs and recongized as being polished was Tim Duncan. Even MArbury admits he's nice and will perhaps be the best top 3 rookies out there.. HE's getting a good start in the NBA under another legendary coach in Brown.
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Trevor Ariza
6-8 SF from UCLA
5.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.3 minutes
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Nate Robinson
5-9 from Washington
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Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 16.7 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 38.4 minutes
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
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Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.0 ppg, +5.9 rpg, and +0.5 apg.


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Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Incoming
Trevor Ariza
6-8 SF from UCLA
5.8 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 17.3 minutes
David Lee
6-9 from Florida
No games yet played in 2004/05
Nate Robinson
5-9 from Washington
No games yet played in 2004/05
Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
4.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.2 apg in 16.7 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
17.7 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.3 apg in 38.4 minutes
Anfernee Hardaway
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7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -2.0 ppg, -5.9 rpg, and -0.5 apg.



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Stop it with these idiotic trades, that is giving up a whole team for two guys, you don't help the other teasm re-build like that it's insane, please don't come up with any more ideas like that, it's a waste of time.
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11/21/2005  11:51 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

It is possible!!! He went to an established institution for 4 yrs under a legendary coach named Lute olson. Frye is very fundamentally sound and polished.. Last big man player spending 4 yrs and recongized as being polished was Tim Duncan. Even MArbury admits he's nice and will perhaps be the best top 3 rookies out there.. HE's getting a good start in the NBA under another legendary coach in Brown.

Frye is a Nice complementary player. In no way is he a dominating big man. You have to realize that Tim Duncan came into the league dominating the competition, Curry has posted some nice games recently but in no way has he dominated out on the court. What you see is what your going to get with Frye which is when it all evens out a 18ppg/7rbg. That's great but it's not the kind of numbers that Championship teams expect from their #1 big man, those numbers come from the complamentary big man.

Look I don't want to turn this into a thread where we get on Channings case becuase he's been playing great basketball but the fact is, he's never going to be a Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan, not even close.


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11/21/2005  11:51 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

Please tell me you did not just say marbury was the best player on the olympic team, i hope that was a joke........

He wasn't even one of the top 5 players on the team by a long shot......marbury is me first, and he whines and won't listen because he thinks he is a star, superstars have more than two all-star appearance under their belt in 10 years
Who said Marbury was the best player on the olympic team? I didn't read every one of the 250 replies on this thread. I must have missed that one.


Pharzeone
I think what Pharezone meant was that Marbury played better than anyone else on the team did when he said Marbury was the best player there. That's undeniably true. The team would have finished sixth if it wasn't for the record-setting game Marbury had. Even without that game, I think Marbury led the team in scoring with a high FG%.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 11:29 PM]


yeah but one can counter that with if Kidd or Nash was running the team we'd crush to a gold metal with a guy like Duncan playing Center
The claim has no relevance to Pharezone's comment. BTW, you could make the same claim if Kidd or Nash had replaced Iverson, Wade, Lebron or any guard on the team.
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11/21/2005  11:57 PM
I have become quite a believer in Frye. I saw him up close against the Warriors and he had dominating moves in the post. He was a little be over-anxious, but that is a rookie thing. If KG could be had without losing Frye or Curry, that frontcourt would be offensively amazing. I also think that people on this board have bought into the negative hye/hysteria that Frye is soft. By no means is that true. He is big, cut and he plays pretty good D. I wouldn't want to include him in a deal for KG, I'd like him to be a big part of the NY franchise.
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11/22/2005  12:00 AM
As for the Olympics, we had no consistent 3 pt threats to spread the floor. A "real" PG would still not have passing lanes to do anything. The olympic team needed a Ray Allen type player to open up the floor to eliminate the low zone. That was far more important that a "real" PG. Besides, Nash is canadian.
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Quentin Richardson
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7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes

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Incoming

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15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes

Kevin Garnett
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22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.0 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and +3.6 apg.
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Incoming

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes

Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes

Antonio Davis
6-9 PF from Texas-El Paso
7.0 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -8.0 ppg, -0.9 rpg, and -3.6 apg.
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11/22/2005  12:07 AM
What classifies OnkBoks trade as(I'll use your word) "stupid" compared to yours?
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Frye is no Duncan.

He is no KG.

His ceiling is probably the "Tayshaun Prince" of big men.

That's nothing to shrug your shoulder too, but it's nothing that should hold up KG trade negotiations either...

You'd be a friggin fool IMO not to part with him just b/c you're in love with his "potential".

Shane Battier is a hard-working, talented, 4 year grad like Frye and I'm sure Grizz fans were calling him the next Scottie Pippen...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

What classifies OnkBoks trade as(I'll use your word) "stupid" compared to yours?


They're not necessarily all stupid.

But they're def. excessive and annoying.

That's just as bad...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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