Posted by tkf:

Posted by tomverve:

Fish, gimme a break. If Isiah amnesties Shamdon and THEN waives JYD, there'd be even more of an outrage. "We got rid of JYD for nothing! That's so stupid!"

Not saying this board is a bunch of malcontents, but lol, you guys sure are looking for something to complain about. All. The. Time. The overreaction to this waiver is just the latest example. You'd think we just traded Ewing for Weatherspoon or something. Folks, it ain't that big of a deal, and it's not obvious that any other waivers would have been clearly better. Get over it, enjoy this nice summer day.

exactly... good post..

It all goes back to the Mo T trade. If Isiah doesn't make that moronic trade then they have the roster spot that they need to keep JYD and amnesty Shandon.

Posted by DarkKnicks:

Posted by rvhoss:

You say that in Texas and they'd string you up.

Rose brings intelligence (see him pull out the chair on shaq) and championship savvy and Brown loves him.

Do you guys know anything about basketball? Do you watch the games? Do stats count for anything? Rose is a far better option than JYD...I need proof JYD is our second best defender btw...cause if that isn't a made up fact, I don't know what is.

Rose played on a CHAMPIONSHIP team defending the other teams best low post threat (SHAQ btw) out west in the playoffs while Duncan stayed out of foul trouble and they WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.

JYD has done what in his career?

Posted by DarkKnicks:

I think Isiah is right with the fact that we had to waive a PF, but I don't agree with the one he has chosen. I'm going to tell you now before it happens: I'm gonna be if Malik Rose becomes our new starting PF. In my opinion he is the most overrated player in our roster.

Hey, did you need to ask those stupid question?? It is not that I hate Malik Rose, simply we did not need him. Do you want me to tell you that he is great because Duncan gave him two championships??? Mohammed shall be great then. We don't need him because with Sweetney, Taylor and Williams (and Lee) IN MY OPINION we had a very well balanced group of PF's AND because he has the longest contract. Can he play center??? Oh, that's what we need now! A 6'7 center!!!(that can only happen in the Knicks as alwaysy) I don't want another player who gets 10 boards a game playing 36 minutes being a starter while we are losing tons of games and stopping Sweetney development instead of just a role player who lets Sweetney and Taylor (who are both better in my eyes han Rose) get almost all the playing time without a single complaint. If he did not care, I would be ok, but he is going to complaint a lot, and he will get all the playing time he wants. And I honestly CAN'T see the Knicks winning anything with a starting front court of Jerome James and Malik Rose.

nice to know there are people who see the big picture. good post!

Posted by rvhoss:

you are saying JYD will only sign for half million?

Man, he's definitely worth the 12 mill he was gonna get to not play for us.

Posted by nyballer:

Posted by rvhoss:

don't forget, if JYD signs with another team, we get that money.

Posted by fishmike:

Hey, Isles, what if they wanted to keep Jackie Butler? How would waiving Shandon make sense then?

yes. Because your paying them both anyway. By using the rule on Shandon you save more $$$ because his deal is bigger. So you just cut JYD, and amnesty Shandon and you save about $1.5mm

Its not my money, but $1.5mm is $1.5mm

Great, we only lose 1 million instead of 1.5 million. how about this? in training camp malik rose suffers a pretty bad injury. now we have nobody that can play defense at the 4. it doesn't make sense...isiah can always clear up a roster spot whenever he wants...the money they save by waiving Shandon is a one-time opportunity with NO loss. there is no reason for Isiah to address the roster spot issue with the amnesty clause. what some of us get and what some don't is that waiving shandon anderson really is the best scenario financially and from a common sense stand point. wave JYD later on if it's for a roster spot! you save more money this way, and you have more flexibility if someone gets hurt/if JYD is needed as a perimeter defender. Butler should be in thE NBDL anyway, he's nowhere ready to play for us.

Yeah, i guess Shandon is doing a much better job earning his money than JYD...great point. the reason he'll only sign for a half million is because a) he is already getting paid the knicks money, in full, and b) because he will likely sign with a contender that doesn't have cap space/much of the MLE left.

Posted by franco12:

for everyone saying Lee is able to replace JYD, Lee is a rookie and might not get it

Rose is a freagin midget and his rings don't mean anything except that he was playing alongside Tim Duncan.

I'm betting JYD ends up in miami!

Posted by MS:

Isiah has solidfied himself as one of the worst GM's in the league with this one. Frankly it makes perfect sense he plays defense so he has to go........

That trade with Chicago looks real good right now since we didn't unload any contracts and got stuck with crawfords broke ass game....and are now buying out someone isiah traded for.....

Why they didn't buy Mo Taylor out makes no sense to me..... this franchise has one thing going for them, Larry Brown thank god for the smoke screen

Posted by rvhoss:

Rose is a bonafide PF, he played for brown's best man in san antonio and is a good defender. IMHO.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Why does everyone think Rose is starting? Jerome James/Frye and Sweetney is going to be the starting frontline this year. I think everyone is REALLY over-reacting here. Theres no way in hell that Rose is starting and if he does everyone here should have complete confidence in the move becuase everyone here seems to think that Larry pulls these kinds of moves out of a magic and they work.

but he didn't "play" he sat on the end of the bench. Something JYD could've done for us while being a good infuence on the kids instead we have a 6-4 PF who sat at the end of the bench behind frickin Nesterovic on championship teams logging all of sweetney, frye & lee's minutes




[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-15-2005 3:43 PM]

Posted by simrud:

Stats don't tell the story when comparing JYD and Taylor.

Taylor is a lazy out of shape no defense dog. JYD is an energy player who provides a spark of the bench. Taylor type players destroy teams, JYD type players make them.

Taylor only contributes on offense where we already have plenty, and if swill post anybody it should be Sweetney first, Q second, and JJ thrid. JYD was our only defensive stopper.

come on man, don't buy into this media BS, what makes taylor lazy? because some fool on espn or TNT said so? because JVG had him in his doghouse? like he did camby when he was in ny? When I saw taylor play for the knicks in 2004/2005, I saw a guy who hustled, played hard, took a few too many shots, but he tried, he rebounded and tried to defend, to say he is lazy with the knicks is not true, just more media perpetuated BS... Sometimes it just comes down to keeping the better player, taylor is 5 years younger than JYD, and he is a better player.. Period..

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by tkf:

Posted by tomverve:

Fish, gimme a break. If Isiah amnesties Shamdon and THEN waives JYD, there'd be even more of an outrage. "We got rid of JYD for nothing! That's so stupid!"

Not saying this board is a bunch of malcontents, but lol, you guys sure are looking for something to complain about. All. The. Time. The overreaction to this waiver is just the latest example. You'd think we just traded Ewing for Weatherspoon or something. Folks, it ain't that big of a deal, and it's not obvious that any other waivers would have been clearly better. Get over it, enjoy this nice summer day.

exactly... good post..

It all goes back to the Mo T trade. If Isiah doesn't make that moronic trade then they have the roster spot that they need to keep JYD and amnesty Shandon.

but then we have Baker, moochie or who ever we get for them