DrAlphaeus wrote:

reub wrote:Because when you fix the economy which is on life support you help everybody.

A good description of the US economic turnaround after the Great Recession... hear, hear.

Thanks Obama!

Vmart wrote:

blkexec wrote:

We are going to miss this man. Nobody will appreciate president Obama until he's gone.....But history books will have no choice. If Obama was not African American, he would have already been named one of the best presidents ever.

Definitely one of the better Presidents. He inherited chaos and turned it around. His good definitely out weighed the bad. Character and charisma will be missed.

ekstarks94 wrote:

TheGame wrote:There are better ways to give money to the rich in the hope of create jobs. You can give tax incentives to those companies that manufactur their products in America. In fact, you can structure an entire tax system around encouraging job creation. What you can't do is give a huge unfettered tax cut to the rich under the fallacy that they are automatically going to use that money to create jobs. It does not work and Bush II proved that fact.

The fallacy of the rich creating jobs is one that the uninformed follow. Fact is capitalism on steroids not tempered by any need to reach down and pull up unless it fits your own interests will never create the trickle down effect they would have you believe.

Correct, the effete, intellectual approach is the Big Daddy government that prints the money for the poor unwashed masses to apply for and spend in government created programs that the effete, intellectuals (you know, those who never had real jobs and spend their lives ensuring that the proper "village" is in place to raise your children for you) legislate into existence. That way you poor, uniformed will know what house you can buy, with which mortgage, with the right light bulbs in it, with the proper vehicle in the driveway, with the just the right healthcare coverage for your kids and yourself.

And that way, your poor, stupid, uneducated, spoon-fed ignorant masses who aren't intelligent enough to know that capitalism is nothing more than a right-wingnut approach to keeping the true brilliance of pristine government from providing a fabulous socialist nirvana, won't be in a position to have any ignorant thoughts about an abusive government.

Just like it has been for the past 8 years. And hopefully will continue for the next 8.

My two friends being deployed in Iraq (which just happens to be coincidentally happening around election time) to clear IED's out of ISIS towns while being sniped at by said ISIS, say hello and thank you to all you brilliant informed folks.

And no, I'm not voting for Trump.

jrodmc wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

TheGame wrote:There are better ways to give money to the rich in the hope of create jobs. You can give tax incentives to those companies that manufactur their products in America. In fact, you can structure an entire tax system around encouraging job creation. What you can't do is give a huge unfettered tax cut to the rich under the fallacy that they are automatically going to use that money to create jobs. It does not work and Bush II proved that fact.

The fallacy of the rich creating jobs is one that the uninformed follow. Fact is capitalism on steroids not tempered by any need to reach down and pull up unless it fits your own interests will never create the trickle down effect they would have you believe.

Correct, the effete, intellectual approach is the Big Daddy government that prints the money for the poor unwashed masses to apply for and spend in government created programs that the effete, intellectuals (you know, those who never had real jobs and spend their lives ensuring that the proper "village" is in place to raise your children for you) legislate into existence. That way you poor, uniformed will know what house you can buy, with which mortgage, with the right light bulbs in it, with the proper vehicle in the driveway, with the just the right healthcare coverage for your kids and yourself.

And that way, your poor, stupid, uneducated, spoon-fed ignorant masses who aren't intelligent enough to know that capitalism is nothing more than a right-wingnut approach to keeping the true brilliance of pristine government from providing a fabulous socialist nirvana, won't be in a position to have any ignorant thoughts about an abusive government.

Just like it has been for the past 8 years. And hopefully will continue for the next 8.

My two friends being deployed in Iraq (which just happens to be coincidentally happening around election time) to clear IED's out of ISIS towns while being sniped at by said ISIS, say hello and thank you to all you brilliant informed folks.

And no, I'm not vot

BRIGGS wrote:Trump is going to pull this out down the stretch. Trump is the representation of people who are not happy with how the government is run and I am part of that gang. Whether the messenger was Ted Cruz Donald Trump Mike Pence I don't care I would've voted there way .Its not about the person personal traits. I like Obama as a man but some of his non action for all people and his non chalant attitude towards the military and immigration is/ was unacceptable. He did nothing for minorities and brought down our status around the world . A vote for Hillary represents the status quo . If you enjoy a world that is dominated by the Goldman Sachs of the world-- people that I personally know as true scumbags of this Earth beyond so many other issues than your thought procrss is shallow . Anyone here who is on the fence I suggest to you that you think about the world as it is. Think about where the money goes to think about your families security around the world think about having elitist nationals who have been in charge of this country stay in charge. Think hard about it and then vote your conscience. I'm not worried about Donald Trump grabbing a women's ass in 1993 if it even happened I m on the side of every day people who don't like the direction of this country and are willing-- just like Europe to stand up and say this is it. Get the fck out Hillary and take your supporting PO C complete crap team With you

We need to get our "Cyber" game up, big chunk of US commercial Internet was knocked out yesterday... by foreign actors DDOSing us with our own smart refrigerators — made elsewhere with backdoor access perhaps?

We are talking about coal jobs and not about automation and self-driving tech... the ecological and economical trade offs of relocating manufacturing here... talk about growth but what about sustainability? Is our industrial age education system archaic for the realities of the postmodern economy? Is peer-to-peer and "sharing" just making that sucking sound of wealth divert to San Francisco tech companies?

I've never paid attention to a campaign more and learned less in these debates. You have to go on Wikileaks and Twitter to find out the good ****. It's a damn circus and a damn shame. There are real things we could talk about, but I can't wait until this election is over. A pox o' both your houses.

jrodmc wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

TheGame wrote:There are better ways to give money to the rich in the hope of create jobs. You can give tax incentives to those companies that manufactur their products in America. In fact, you can structure an entire tax system around encouraging job creation. What you can't do is give a huge unfettered tax cut to the rich under the fallacy that they are automatically going to use that money to create jobs. It does not work and Bush II proved that fact.

The fallacy of the rich creating jobs is one that the uninformed follow. Fact is capitalism on steroids not tempered by any need to reach down and pull up unless it fits your own interests will never create the trickle down effect they would have you believe.

Correct, the effete, intellectual approach is the Big Daddy government that prints the money for the poor unwashed masses to apply for and spend in government created programs that the effete, intellectuals (you know, those who never had real jobs and spend their lives ensuring that the proper "village" is in place to raise your children for you) legislate into existence. That way you poor, uniformed will know what house you can buy, with which mortgage, with the right light bulbs in it, with the proper vehicle in the driveway, with the just the right healthcare coverage for your kids and yourself.

And that way, your poor, stupid, uneducated, spoon-fed ignorant masses who aren't intelligent enough to know that capitalism is nothing more than a right-wingnut approach to keeping the true brilliance of pristine government from providing a fabulous socialist nirvana, won't be in a position to have any ignorant thoughts about an abusive government.

Just like it has been for the past 8 years. And hopefully will continue for the next 8.

My two friends being deployed in Iraq (which just happens to be coincidentally happening around election time) to clear IED's out of ISIS towns while being sniped at by said ISIS, say hello and thank you to all you brilliant informed folks.

And no, I'm not voting for Trump.

jrod, the fed has been giving the banks trillions in interest free loans since the crash, thats whats keeping this stock/housing bubble inflated. Thats welfare for the rich, and its costing the US govt a hell of a lot more than the programs which help mitigate the historic transfer of wealth that has gone on over the last 30 plus years to a very small minority in this country. Dont have to be a socialist to see that the system is in need of repair.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

martin wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Hillary definitely represents a version of the status quo. She gave paid speeches to Goldman Sachs, the wife of a former 2-term President. Neither candidate is seriously talking about getting big money out of politics, not one mention of climate change in 3 debates, was there a question on Brexit? The UN? The floods in the Carolinas or hurricane prevention?

We need to get our "Cyber" game up, big chunk of US commercial Internet was knocked out yesterday... by foreign actors DDOSing us with our own smart refrigerators — made elsewhere with backdoor access perhaps?

We are talking about coal jobs and not about automation and self-driving tech... the ecological and economical trade offs of relocating manufacturing here... talk about growth but what about sustainability? Is our industrial age education system archaic for the realities of the modern economy? Is peer-to-peer and "sharing" just making that sucking sound of wealth divert to San Francisco tech companies?

I've never paid attention to a campaign more and learned less in these debates. You have to go on Wikileaks and Twitter to find out the good ****. It's a damn circus and a damn shame. There are real things we could talk about, but I can't wait until this election is over. A pox o' both your houses.

I am in this boat too but am going to also wait and see and judge on what she does instead of projecting from a few scattered incidents.

Hilary has been fighting for a lot of good things during her life and has also always been in the shadow of Bill. She will be the first female president of our country - a fact this is so obvious but has relatively speaking gotten zero attention - and has the weight of that upon her very capable shoulders. She is a fighter, I am going to watch her fight for us.

I hope she gets and we get a Democratic Senate that can fight in the legislative branch. I trust folks like Sanders and Warren to fight the good fight on economic policy. GOP is a mess. If they control both houses it will just be a bunch of intraparty beef with folks getting in ideological and political bunkers jockeying for 2020 instead of fixing 2017.

agreed