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VDesai
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1/2/2008  9:59 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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I'm an idealist, but I still support Obama. I wish he waited a little longer, but there may have been no better time to capitalize on his popularity than now.

In fact, it might be best off if he ends up being someone's running mate. I think Hilary will get a lot of pressure to put Bill on her ticket (that might look like desperation though), but Obama would make a stellar running mate for her and break down a couple of barriers at once.
That would be an impossible ticket to vote for IMO. A woman president and an african american vice president? I cannot see that happening. If Hillary wins the democratic primaries, what do you think about Gore as her VP?

I don't think Gore would settle for VP anymore. I think at this point people would be willing to vote for any democrat- people desperately want to see a change in regime. Hilary and Obama might be the right people to do it. Hilary, with her name recognition and her husband's track record, has more built an appeal than any female politican that's run for this office before. I'd like to think we haven't elected a woman, because very few qualified candidates have even tried.

There are several, more "backwards" thinking countries that have elected females to the top office, so I'd like to think America is capable.
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1/2/2008  6:32 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I don't think Gore would settle for VP anymore. I think at this point people would be willing to vote for any democrat- people desperately want to see a change in regime. Hilary and Obama might be the right people to do it. Hilary, with her name recognition and her husband's track record, has more built an appeal than any female politican that's run for this office before. I'd like to think we haven't elected a woman, because very few qualified candidates have even tried.

There are several, more "backwards" thinking countries that have elected females to the top office, so I'd like to think America is capable.
You would be surprised. I work for a mid-sized distribution company in the North East. We have offices all over the country and about 2000 employees all spread out. I setup two anonymous polls:
1) republican candidates
2) democratic candidates
People refused to vote for Hillary on the democrat side because she was a woman. I am not sure why but they think she is the worst person in the world!

I'm not too found of her myself. I would rather someone else win the primaries and make it easier on the country to vote democrat. Its just that its hard to vote for anyone else because they would stand no chance against Guliani.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-02-2008 6:34 PM]
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1/2/2008  6:38 PM
I don't like Hilary either. She's a spotty politician with no great record as a legislator, and she seems to pick the popular topic of the day to curry favor, but she's got the name and support machine and for that reason she will most likely be the candidate. And while I don't like her, I trust her enough not to do anything crazy (from a political perspective)b/c of past experiences with Clinton.

Still I have to say these caucuses are probably the most exciting since 1992, when I wasn't old enough to know what was going on. This is pretty serious though, its wide open on both sides.
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1/3/2008  12:00 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I'm an idealist, but I still support Obama. I wish he waited a little longer, but there may have been no better time to capitalize on his popularity than now.

When Obama said he tried 'blow', he lost my support. Just the way he said it, I felt like he was trying too hard to be liked by the younger generation.
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1/3/2008  12:03 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
I'm not too found of her myself. I would rather someone else win the primaries and make it easier on the country to vote democrat. Its just that its hard to vote for anyone else because they would stand no chance against Guliani.


I don't understand the fascination with Guliani. To me, he seems more of a warmonger than Bush.
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1/3/2008  1:47 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Silverfuel:
I'm not too found of her myself. I would rather someone else win the primaries and make it easier on the country to vote democrat. Its just that its hard to vote for anyone else because they would stand no chance against Guliani.


I don't understand the fascination with Guliani. To me, he seems more of a warmonger than Bush.

I dont see Giuliani making it out of the primaries so I am not sure what the big deal is either. I agree - he could be worse than Bush and he shares of lot of the same connections too - do we need a 3rd term of this?

As far as Hillary - I hope she loses in the primaries. She is not the second coming of Bill and people need to wake up and see that. She is totally disingenuous, has no charisma, and looks like one frosty b*&^%. I dont trust her one bit.

To be fair, I think the entire crop of hopefuls this year are pretty bad - out of the group Obama seems to be the best because he is the newest and most charismatic. I dont think you need a ton of experience to run this country - look at what the people with experience do for us.
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1/3/2008  6:00 PM
Posted by OasisBU:

To be fair, I think the entire crop of hopefuls this year are pretty bad
I really like Kucinich and Ron Paul.
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1/3/2008  9:28 PM
With 41 percent of precincts reporting, Huckabee had the support of 31 percent of voters, compared to 23 percent for Mitt Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent and John McCain had 12.

Rudy Giuliani, who has turned the focus of his campaign to the February 5 "Super Tuesday" primaries, trailed behind with 11 percent.

Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming support among evangelical voters and women, according to CNN analysis of entrance polls.






On the Democratic side, early results show Barack Obama with a narrow lead over rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards.

With 69 percent of precincts reporting, Obama had the support of 35 percent of voters, compared to 31percent each for Edwards and Clinton.
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1/8/2008  7:37 AM
yeah baby about to hit the 200's
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1/8/2008  4:57 PM
damn, time files.
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1/8/2008  6:35 PM
Looks like the Clinton campaign is being managed by Isiah

I cant believe we are about to hit the 200's - Matt I commend up on keeping up this miserable count for so long
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1/8/2008  10:54 PM
Hillary's crying won her a state?

Makes me want to go all Ike Turner on a beetch
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1/9/2008  12:29 AM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Hillary's crying won her a state?

Makes me want to go all Ike Turner on a beetch


I cant believe we are about to hit the 200's - Matt I commend up on keeping up this miserable count for so long

Much appreciated. Only 300 days left!
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1/9/2008  1:41 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Hillary's crying won her a state?

Makes me want to go all Ike Turner on a beetch

I am shocked she won.Personally I dont think it was voters changing their minds to support her - it was a combination of the crying (women), independents voting for McCain instead of Obama because the polls suggested Obama didnt need any help, and the Clinton campaign getting people to go to the polls for them (bribery, driving them, etc - who knows).
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