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Nalod
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1/22/2013  11:56 PM
Howard has very low on court IQ. Not sure his off court is really that high either.

Eddy has a ring. Great analogy. Really drives home a point.

When we talking "closing" was talking about the last shot? Or last 5 minutes. I think Jordan shot only like 25%. the greatest of greats don't hit high % game winners. In the last few minutes of a game? I think Kobe pretty good.

How do I know? Former multiple MVP's, (Rape charge cost him one or two that went to nash), and one ring for each finger on a hand.

Eddy. Really?

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1/23/2013  12:17 AM
Nalod wrote:Howard has very low on court IQ. Not sure his off court is really that high either.

Eddy has a ring. Great analogy. Really drives home a point.

When we talking "closing" was talking about the last shot? Or last 5 minutes. I think Jordan shot only like 25%. the greatest of greats don't hit high % game winners. In the last few minutes of a game? I think Kobe pretty good.

How do I know? Former multiple MVP's, (Rape charge cost him one or two that went to nash), and one ring for each finger on a hand.

Eddy. Really?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

Eddie Curry was the perfect analogy to show that the empty argument of "he has 5 rings" is just dumb

Kobe obviously contributed greatly but it does not prove it to be a viable statement

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1/23/2013  2:57 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Nalod wrote:When you are double and triple teamed, you pass the ball and let others close.

Kobe got 5 rings. He can close.

Eddie Curry has 1 ring. I guess that means he is a closer.

Kobe can close but he has also failed miserably at times.

No, that means he ate the rest if the onion rings and now there is only one left :sadface:

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1/23/2013  7:42 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Howard has very low on court IQ. Not sure his off court is really that high either.

Eddy has a ring. Great analogy. Really drives home a point.

When we talking "closing" was talking about the last shot? Or last 5 minutes. I think Jordan shot only like 25%. the greatest of greats don't hit high % game winners. In the last few minutes of a game? I think Kobe pretty good.

How do I know? Former multiple MVP's, (Rape charge cost him one or two that went to nash), and one ring for each finger on a hand.

Eddy. Really?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

Eddie Curry was the perfect analogy to show that the empty argument of "he has 5 rings" is just dumb

Kobe obviously contributed greatly but it does not prove it to be a viable statement

You've done your research!

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1/23/2013  8:58 AM
Hersports85 wrote:It's so funny hearing all this conference NOW ... but ..lol nevermind.

Strength of Schedule...the tough West division.....it all matters now, lol.

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1/23/2013  9:51 AM
Brooklyn-Laker swap of centers being discussed again in the media. On HoopsHype its being shot down.

Lakes could lose Dwight to ATL or Dallas and get nothing in return. Or, get BroPez in return who seemingly is durable (lost season to broken foot) and improves every year.

Reports that Dwight not happy with MDA. Ok, he blew up ORL and Van Gundy in, Mike Brown did not last 5 games and MDA walked in to a mess which includes Making dwight happy. Kobe is not giving the team to Dwight quite yet nor is he deserving.

Is this a deal Brooklyn makes if it has true aspirations?

To me, BKN is a stud PF away from being serious to pair with BroPez. Seems their bench is rich which makes them ripe to move some pieces if you can promote the Euro's.

They are one game behind us in the standings. They make this deal if its on the table?

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1/23/2013  10:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2013  10:01 AM
Talk is there is a few players not happy with MDA and has asked him to change his system to which he replied no...The term mutiny came up according to Broussard...But I don't see why the Lakers would want Bropez...He still doesn't fit MDA and he is injury prone..Isn't Gasol on the trading block too???..Knicks thought they had a mess...
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1/23/2013  10:16 AM
Could probably do a Love, Howard Bropez swap.
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1/23/2013  10:33 AM
holfresh wrote:Talk is there is a few players not happy with MDA and has asked him to change his system to which he replied no...The term mutiny came up according to Broussard...But I don't see why the Lakers would want Bropez...He still doesn't fit MDA and he is injury prone..Isn't Gasol on the trading block too???..Knicks thought they had a mess...

Glad he is not our mess anymore but Lakes ownership wanted him and the players seem to be running that mess now.

MDA and Nash know what they are doing but not all is on board. Quite frankly I don't blame MDA for taking the gig and they wanted him to run his system. Funny, the players are not playing defense. This was the problem with Mike Brown and it has not gone away.

Could Phi Jax have fixed it? DId he seriously want the gig also? Phil likes to make Little Jimmy Buss look stupid so we don't know the real story. They put a feeler out to phil and maybe he wanted too much and too much power. For all we know he might have been asking for a long term Riley kind of deal with some ownership stake.

Im not sure this team is fixable. Kobe Idolized MDA growing up and got a taste of his offense in the olympics. If the ball movement is not there it don't work. Kobe is not big on this.

Trade Pau for Bargnani in Toronto and I think the floor gets spread out helping it all. Not sure Toronto wants Pau. MDA with a roster like Denvers is a good fit. Lots of pieces to move around and run with. Its not a good fit in Laker land.

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1/23/2013  10:37 AM
I just wanna know can knicks get in on this? I would gladly take Pau for Amare, he would get all the post ups he wants here.
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1/23/2013  10:42 AM
Anji wrote:I just wanna know can knicks get in on this? I would gladly take Pau for Amare, he would get all the post ups he wants here.

Wouldn't the prudent thing to do is to find a PG? The 3 headed PG monster is struggling. Injury, age, speed. Knicks need a PG. The worst thing to happen to this team was Felton getting hurt. Kidd and Pablo are exposed playing a lot of minutes. If Felton comes back still in shape and the injury does not affect his game then Knicks should be OK. What they would need then is a young tall big that can rebound, finish and defend.

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1/23/2013  10:43 AM

Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Updated: January 23, 7:38 AM ET
Sources: Lakers fret over Dwight

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By Ramona Shelburne and Marc Stein
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The Los Angeles Lakers have consistently turned away trade inquiries in recent weeks for All-Star center Dwight Howard and still believe they have a strong chance of signing him to a new contract when Howard becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer, according to sources close to the situation.


But sources told ESPN.com this week the Lakers might be forced to reconsider that position between now and the Feb. 21 trade deadline because of Howard's growing unhappiness with his role under coach Mike D'Antoni and the potential that raises for Howard leaving them in July without compensation.


Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak, however, said that a trade is not imminent.

"I don't think we're at the point where you say, 'It's time for a trade,' and a trade happens in three to four days. That's just not how this league works," Kupchak said in a phone interview with ESPN.


Howard has not publicly indicated any desire to sign elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1 and came to Los Angeles determined to succeed with a minimum amount of fuss after the hits he took image-wise during his drawn-out departure from the Orlando Magic.

But sources say that Howard, as the Lakers' struggles have mounted, has dropped hints within team circles about his discomfort in D'Antoni's system and that he could consider moving on if things don't improve or change.


Howard has, indeed, publicly struggled to mask his frustration in recent days about his role in D'Antoni's offense. After Monday's road loss to the Derrick Rose-less Chicago Bulls, in which he finished with eight points and attempted just five shots, Howard said: "They made it tough. I missed some shots early, didn't get an opportunity to go to work like I wanted to." When pressed further, Howard repeatedly pointed at a stat sheet (showing five shot attempts) and insisted the Lakers needed to "play inside-out."


"There's nothing I can do," Howard told reporters in Chicago. "Just continue to play. Not get frustrated. As hard as it is, I can't get frustrated."


The Lakers, sources say, have been telling interested teams that they don't want to make a major move of any kind between now and the trade deadline given how tumultuous their season has already been. Following the much-heralded offseason acquisitions of Howard and Steve Nash, Mike Brown was fired after just five games and replaced by D'Antoni after the Lakers flirted with bringing back legendary coach Phil Jackson.

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In addition to rebuffing the trade interest in Howard, Lakers officials are also reluctant to trade Pau Gasol for players who fit D'Antoni's system better -- despite Gasol's recent demotion to the bench -- because they still have no assurances Howard will stay beyond this season and don't want to risk losing both of their elite big men after trading away Andrew Bynum in the original Howard deal last August.

The Lakers' league-high $100 million payroll likewise makes it difficult to seriously consider deals involving Gasol because the Spaniard's $19.3 million salary would almost certainly require them to take back long-term contracts they want to avoid. L.A. has been trying to preserve the considerable payroll flexibility that it's on course to have in summer 2014.


The Lakers knew when they acquired Howard in a four-team deal with Orlando, Philadelphia and Denver that the 27-year-old would not immediately sign a contract extension as part of the trade because the league's new labor agreement makes it more financially advantageous for Howard to wait until July to sign his next deal. But the resulting uncertainty those circumstances bring for the Lakers has only added to the pressure felt throughout the organization as they sit seven games below .500 at the midpoint of the 82-game regular season.


When the Lakers hired D'Antoni, it was with the vision of Howard thriving alongside Nash as Amar'e Stoudemire did in Phoenix, operating as the "roll man" in a pick-and-roll offense driven by Nash as opposed to a traditional back-to-basket center.


None of those visions, however, have come to bear yet. With Nash missing seven weeks with a leg fracture -- including D'Antoni's first 16 games in charge -- and Howard still recovering from back surgery last April while also coping with a recent shoulder injury, timing between the two has shown few signs of improvement.


The inability of Howard and Nash to find pick-and-roll harmony has likewise had a ripple effect throughout the roster, with the increasingly under-fire D'Antoni demoting Gasol from the starting lineup Tuesday because he feels Gasol and Howard are both most effective at the center position and haven't learned how yet to play off each other well.


Howard and several other players have soured on D'Antoni's perimeter-oriented offensive system, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard. A few have gone to him about slowing down the tempo and playing inside-out, but so far D'Antoni hasn't been willing to change.

"Without a doubt, we have utmost confidence in Mike as a coach," Kupchak told ESPN. "I think if you spoke to him, his vision on Day 1 was dramatically different than it is today. It's the coach's job to adjust and to make changes. Sometimes a player is just not going to fit. Sometimes a coach has to make changes and compromise in the way he's done things and I think that's what Mike is going through right now is just the process."

"Obviously, this isn't working," Lakers star Kobe Bryant told Yahoo! Sports after the Chicago loss.


"I've tried to go out of my way to get (Howard) the ball. Sometimes I end up looking like an idiot, because I get up in the air, I've got a shot, but I try to find him. But he thinks I'm going to shoot, so his back is turned. I'm trying to think about getting him the ball a lot -- take care of him as much as I possibly can. It takes me out of rhythm a little bit, but I'm fine with that. If that's going to help our team, I'm more than willing to do that.


"I've constantly tried to help him out, tried to talk to him," Bryant continued. "Two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock in the morning. Texting him. Sharing reading materials. Anything to try and help him.


"He's coming off a major surgery in a market where it's just merciless; where there's demands and responsibilities of athletes. It's been tough on him."


The blame in L.A. has been widespread, with both Howard and Gasol facing criticism for not battling through these tough times with the needed resolve. D'Antoni getting second-guessed with rising volume for not tweaking his spread-the-floor system to accommodate his marquee players and Bryant critiquing himself this week for missing too many shots on an 0-2 road trip that has spiraled into six straight losses away from Staples Center and three straight losses overall heading into Thursday's game at Memphis.


Explaining the lineup change that elevated Earl Clark to a starting spot over Gasol, D'Antoni told reporters in Chicago: "We got to go small. That's just the way it is. It's after [Gasol] had a great game (with 25 points on 10-for-15 shooting Sunday in Toronto). It's not him. I talked to him and he understands where we have to go and we got to do it."


For his part, Gasol said he was "not happy about" the switch but added that "right now I'm more worried about us as a team and us struggling."


The Lakers have strongly believed from the start that Howard would stay in Los Angeles for the long term, pointing to the franchise's rich tradition with big men and the fact that they don't make a habit of losing their own marquee free agents. But those assumptions were based on the notion that Howard, once he got a taste of the Lakers' championship culture and all the ancillary benefits that come with playing in Los Angeles, wouldn't want to play anywhere else.


These Lakers, however, are miles away from a championship culture. The Chicago loss, its ninth in January, dropped L.A. to 17-24 and down to 12th place in the Western Conference, four games behind eighth-place Houston for the West's final playoff spot.


In a radio appearance two weeks ago on ESPNLA 710, Lakers executive vice president Jim Buss said he was confident Howard would want to stay in Los Angeles regardless of how this season ended up.


"If we make the playoffs, that means we're playing well and I think we'll go deep in the playoffs and it's a no-brainer that he stays," Buss said in the January 10 radio interview. "I think if it continues to fall apart because of injuries, I'm hoping we can convince him: 'Look, everybody was injured, you weren't 100 percent for the whole year, let's give it another shot next year.' It points to 95 percent that we'll be able to keep him. I can't control what he does, but I can sure make a great argument."


The Lakers, beyond all the perks associated with playing for them, have the advantage of being able to offer Howard more money and years than any other team thanks to the NBA's collective bargaining agreement. But they've gone just 2-4 since Buss' comments, with the negative atmosphere around the team only growing amid all the losing.


Calls for D'Antoni, who received a four-year contract in November when he took the job, to go away from small-ball preferences only figure to get louder in the wake of the fresh concerns voiced by Bryant.


"We need to go back to basics," Bryant told Yahoo! "We need to put guys in positions to do what they do best. We need to strip it down. Steve is best in pick-and-roll. Pau is best in the post. I'm best from the free-throw line extended down. Let's go back to basics.


"We've got to evaluate what's going on. Management is looking at it. The players are looking at it. I'm looking at myself. I'm shooting a low percentage right now, and I've got to look at that. It's on me to make shots, but I'm having to make tough shots, getting the ball 30 feet from the basket and [expletive] like that."


ESPN.com reported earlier this month that there's no shortage of rival executives who believe that the Dallas Mavericks and Atlanta Hawks -- who'll both have the requisite cap space to steal him away -- would get serious consideration from Howard if he decides to explore his options in free agency.


"I have it as Lakers, Dallas or Atlanta for Dwight," one Western Conference GM said recently.


The Brooklyn Nets are believed to still strongly intrigue Howard as a future destination after the Nets' long-running attempts to trade for him last season. But after re-signing Deron Williams and Brook Lopez last summer and taking on more than $300 million in long-term salary commitments, Brooklyn can only acquire Howard via trade now, which would likely require an additional team (or teams) to join in even if the Lakers were amenable.


ESPNLosAngeles.com's Dave McMenamin contributed to this report.
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1/23/2013  10:51 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
Anji wrote:I just wanna know can knicks get in on this? I would gladly take Pau for Amare, he would get all the post ups he wants here.

Wouldn't the prudent thing to do is to find a PG? The 3 headed PG monster is struggling. Injury, age, speed. Knicks need a PG. The worst thing to happen to this team was Felton getting hurt. Kidd and Pablo are exposed playing a lot of minutes. If Felton comes back still in shape and the injury does not affect his game then Knicks should be OK. What they would need then is a young tall big that can rebound, finish and defend.

If we can do a Pau for Amare swap I'd do it. Pau as power forward next to Chandler cans spred out the offense. Pau "Pick and pop" would be awesome!

But, Amare and Dwight together I don't know about. Trades have to make sense for both parties.

I also agree we do need plan for a PG backup in the event Raymond needs more time or reinjures the pinkie leaving us with a big problem.

On the Laker problem, the one constant pain in the ass, even for Phil is Kobe. I'd trade him for Joe Johnson and Marshon Brooks.

Im not sure all of this is on MDA.

Kupchak's contract ends this year. I wonder if MDA was his pick or the Little Buss's? Maybe Mitch knows its time to move on also. Take a rebuild gig with SAC and new ownership either there or in Seattle.

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1/23/2013  12:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2013  12:10 PM
Maybe Knicks shock us and trade for Kevin Love
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1/23/2013  12:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2013  12:07 PM
I must say - it's interesting to be on the outside-looking-in (for once) on situations like this. It's just flat out weird that it's the LAKERS.
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1/23/2013  1:37 PM
K22 wrote:I must say - it's interesting to be on the outside-looking-in (for once) on situations like this. It's just flat out weird that it's the LAKERS.

Interesting similarities:

Owners sons both "Jimmy"
Both are stupid
MDA
Driven by the starphuch now.

Lakes up until know had made some great moves but its not easy to keep a dynasty going and will get harder with the new CBA.

Lakers paid up big to Get Kareem but had to wait 4-5 years to build showtime. Lakes traded Vlade to get Kobe and he needed maturation for 3 years.

Kobe, Pau, Metta are aging out. Nash won't get younger. I dig the effort to get howard and understand patience might be the best thing. Its LA and its brutal. NY fans can understand this.

I there a quick fix? Im not sure. Not our cross to carry for a change!

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1/23/2013  5:00 PM
Great game tonight. Rockets vs Nuggets. tkf..who you rooting for?
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1/23/2013  5:05 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Great game tonight. Rockets vs Nuggets. tkf..who you rooting for?

Nuggets?

I think Houston topped off. By the time the season ends they will be around the 40win mark we expect unless they make a splash

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1/23/2013  7:03 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Great game tonight. Rockets vs Nuggets. tkf..who you rooting for?

Such a tough game for me, love Lin but also love Gallo and Ill Wilson, I just want to see them both go hard, wouldn't mind either team winning

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1/23/2013  8:26 PM
Denver is a polished veteran team and at this point is much better than Houston.
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