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VDesai
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6/23/2005  4:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I'd love to get the Suns #21 this year in the deal. We'd be completely robbing them!

It's a good deal even up IMO. Anything on top is gravy. Even if its a scenario where we get back the rights to the other conditional 1 we owe them from the Marbury deal, I'm happy with that.
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6/23/2005  4:51 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by s3231:

Here's something nice from the realgm article about the trade:

" There has been confusion over which side would receive the draft choice, but when this story was first broke by RealGM.com, late Wednesday night, my source said that the Suns would receive the pick, but it is now appearing that the Knicks will receive the conditional pick from Phoenix."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36324/20050623/the_first_to_report_the_deal_richardson_traded_to_knicks_for_thomas/

AWESOME. We recieve the pick and don't swap first rounders??? That would make this a GREAT trade.
If this report was true, it's a fantastic deal. And some people were saying to just stay put, make no trades this summer, just draft and sign players.

According to Stephen A. Smith, there are conditional first rounders going from BOTH teams. Until we learn the terms of the first rounders, I'd have to say the jury is out.

I do think this is a good trade though. It fills a glaring need that was going to be hard to address in the draft, allows us to focus on getting size in the draft and with the MLE and adds a tough, YOUNG veteran who can guard the Ricky Davis' and Paul Pierce's of the world. We couldn't TOUCH those guys last season with Jamal, Penny and Trevor. Now we can throw Q on them. It's a big help.

Hopefully, a guy like Blatche or Taft falls to 30 and we can add Frye at 8. Then, we'd be bigger, more athletic and have another shooter. I like this move more and more.

I can't believe the FAN and other New York media idiots are coming out against this trade. What a bunch of reactionary morons.
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6/23/2005  5:00 PM
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Well I'm pissing on myself about this trade. Marbs and Q will be the strongest backcourt I've seen in a while. Both guys are big for their positions.

Wow......now if Isiah can get this Boozer deal done then no one can say a word about what Isiah has done with this franchise.

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6/23/2005  5:04 PM


[Edited by - djsunyc on 06/23/2005 17:05:04]
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6/23/2005  5:10 PM
ummmm . . . dj . . . .

we're getting just a *little* concerned with how obsessed you've become with Zeke since meeting him and checking how you "measured up."
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[Edited by - djsunyc on 06/23/2005 17:05:04]

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6/23/2005  5:12 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

According to Stephen A. Smith, there are conditional first rounders going from BOTH teams. Until we learn the terms of the first rounders, I'd have to say the jury is out.
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Any way you slice it, this is a good trade for us. If we end up giving up a pick when we get the younger, more athletic player with upside at 24-5, I don't think the jury is out. The verdict is in, and this is a good trade for us. And if we get a pick it is an absolute steal!
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6/23/2005  5:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Anyone still think Isiah made a mistake by giving Kurt that contract extension?? Assuming this trade occurs, giving Kurt the extension enabled us to add Q-Rich.

Good point Bonn. I dont think it was a mistake either way, I know alot of people want to blame Kurt for the Knicks problems but it wasn't all his fault, he played out of position nightly for this team and he still was a productive player. It seems like things are starting to happen in Knick-land

it wasn't his fault but it was the fault of the incompetent Layden and Dolan. I don't hate KT I hate those 2 however for making stupid decisions like tying us up financially by giving H20 $100mil for 7yrs and not being able to improve the frontcourt without taking a huge risk on big money damage goods and losing Camby and Nene and being stuck with KT as our best frontcourt player for 4 straight 30win seasons.
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6/23/2005  5:34 PM
The issue is whether or not Isiah is making a mistake by continually trading shorter contracts for longer ones.

Until he has a plan that makes this team a championship contender, the answer is yes.
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6/23/2005  5:35 PM
keep in mind that we still have a lonnng way to go. Q is a nice player but he's really not that much better than Crawford. The key would be to get him to post up more. I question if he ever did post up. He shot 39% his last year with the Clippers not just as a 3pt shooter on the Suns. But he's definitely a great rebounder and at 25 like Crawford he is only going to get better!

But we just went from being a bad defensive team to one of the worst of all-time! unless we draft someone who can play defense we will be no better than the Clippers and no Channing Frye's 10pts,8rebs, 1.5blocks in 25mins is not going to cut it! Now if we draft Granger or Graham and a bigman at 30 all my worries are gone! or better yet Bynum at 8 before the Lakers get him and a hardnosed perimeter defender at 30.
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6/23/2005  5:36 PM
This is no slam dunk trade. This *could* be a good trade. Until I see Q playing disciplined, obviously there is no way anyone can make an evaluation of his acquisition. He has had 3 straight years of sub 40% shooting as HAS Crawford. Now BOTh guys have potential to do much better, they are PAID to do much better. The jury will be out here, on *balance* the concept of the trade is good, but this is no slam dunk or a guarantee to improve the team if we have 2 guards shooting 18 3pt shots with long rebounds, fast breaks and no D. I want to see the positive things Q CAN do, but he has shied away from those things for 3 years. It will be a very good trade IF Q can get back to 43-45 % shooting and he plays D. He was a matador in Phoenix, right now we have 3 matador D Gs. the positive is Q is big and can rebound. Its up to the Knicks and Q to make sure he goes back to an inside game.
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6/23/2005  5:36 PM
Posted by Rich:

The issue is whether or not Isiah is making a mistake by continually trading shorter contracts for longer ones.

Until he has a plan that makes this team a championship contender, the answer is yes.

so what? is he suppose to build a championship contender with players who have 1 and 2 yr. contracts?

he got you a young shooting guard in Q-rich.

damn man what do you want?
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6/23/2005  5:39 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by s3231:

Here's something nice from the realgm article about the trade:

" There has been confusion over which side would receive the draft choice, but when this story was first broke by RealGM.com, late Wednesday night, my source said that the Suns would receive the pick, but it is now appearing that the Knicks will receive the conditional pick from Phoenix."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36324/20050623/the_first_to_report_the_deal_richardson_traded_to_knicks_for_thomas/

AWESOME. We recieve the pick and don't swap first rounders??? That would make this a GREAT trade.
If this report was true, it's a fantastic deal. And some people were saying to just stay put, make no trades this summer, just draft and sign players.

According to Stephen A. Smith, there are conditional first rounders going from BOTH teams. Until we learn the terms of the first rounders, I'd have to say the jury is out.

I do think this is a good trade though. It fills a glaring need that was going to be hard to address in the draft, allows us to focus on getting size in the draft and with the MLE and adds a tough, YOUNG veteran who can guard the Ricky Davis' and Paul Pierce's of the world. We couldn't TOUCH those guys last season with Jamal, Penny and Trevor. Now we can throw Q on them. It's a big help.

Hopefully, a guy like Blatche or Taft falls to 30 and we can add Frye at 8. Then, we'd be bigger, more athletic and have another shooter. I like this move more and more.

I can't believe the FAN and other New York media idiots are coming out against this trade. What a bunch of reactionary morons.

Q can not defend any of those guys. We still need perimeter defense. Is Ariza at 20 and raw ready to play big minutes and not hurt the team offensively?
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6/23/2005  5:40 PM
Im hearing both teams are trading a conditional #1 pick. Even better for us because the Spurs will have a better record than them next year, so better pick for us.
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Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by Rich:

The issue is whether or not Isiah is making a mistake by continually trading shorter contracts for longer ones.

Until he has a plan that makes this team a championship contender, the answer is yes.

so what? is he suppose to build a championship contender with players who have 1 and 2 yr. contracts?

he got you a young shooting guard in Q-rich.

damn man what do you want?



the concpet is there, but will the play be? Is Q Rip Hamilton? does he play two ways? does he pass the ball, will he pass the ball, can he shoot for a much higher %?

Its all good to say we got younger and more athletic, but we have made a huge investment in this player, for this trade to work out, hes got to play much better D and disciplined o OR trading if for nothing would still be poor. He was a weak LINk in the Suns playoff run--go look at the numbers--he has to proove a lot here.
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6/23/2005  5:41 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by Rich:

The issue is whether or not Isiah is making a mistake by continually trading shorter contracts for longer ones.

Until he has a plan that makes this team a championship contender, the answer is yes.

so what? is he suppose to build a championship contender with players who have 1 and 2 yr. contracts?

he got you a young shooting guard in Q-rich.

damn man what do you want?

Doing this potentially extends our mediocrity out more years.

KT, not great, but Q has his holes (not another 39% chucker!) and is signed further out.

I would rather have KT been traded for another 1st rounder this year and a garbage player (Fatspoon, etc) with a similar or shorter deal.
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6/23/2005  5:43 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:

Well, following Ford's Mock Draft, we could get Taft with the #30 PICK...

I rather draft Taft at 8 than Frye if we're going to completely overlook Bynum, Granger & Graham.

So what if Taft is half an inch shorter! he can potentially log more minutes, certainly score and rebound more and block more shots! But I don't want to take that big a risk at 8 or draft a low ceiling role player like frye!

I want the BIG PRIZE! Bynum or the best player available Danny Granger!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/23/2005 17:50:41]
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6/23/2005  5:44 PM
AGAIN, Briggs can you list any reasons why Q wouldn't go back to the role he's more comfortable with--the one he played his whole career with--as a post scorer and perimeter shooter, awesome rebounder, and solid defender. You do understand that players have different roles when they're on different teams, right? He had a different role in Phoenix. Why should he have done anything besides shoot perimeter shots on Phoenix? The last thing they would want is Q taking up space in the post that Amare should be using. It's not like he had an injury that ruined his post game. I would do this deal without Q if it were just Kurt for a 1st rd pick (if the CBA allowed you to do that). Getting Q makes it beyond ridiculous in favor of the Knicks. We get the better player in the short- and long-term and a 1st rd pick!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/23/2005 17:47:10]
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6/23/2005  5:45 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by s3231:

Here's something nice from the realgm article about the trade:

" There has been confusion over which side would receive the draft choice, but when this story was first broke by RealGM.com, late Wednesday night, my source said that the Suns would receive the pick, but it is now appearing that the Knicks will receive the conditional pick from Phoenix."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36324/20050623/the_first_to_report_the_deal_richardson_traded_to_knicks_for_thomas/

AWESOME. We recieve the pick and don't swap first rounders??? That would make this a GREAT trade.
If this report was true, it's a fantastic deal. And some people were saying to just stay put, make no trades this summer, just draft and sign players.

According to Stephen A. Smith, there are conditional first rounders going from BOTH teams. Until we learn the terms of the first rounders, I'd have to say the jury is out.

I do think this is a good trade though. It fills a glaring need that was going to be hard to address in the draft, allows us to focus on getting size in the draft and with the MLE and adds a tough, YOUNG veteran who can guard the Ricky Davis' and Paul Pierce's of the world. We couldn't TOUCH those guys last season with Jamal, Penny and Trevor. Now we can throw Q on them. It's a big help.

Hopefully, a guy like Blatche or Taft falls to 30 and we can add Frye at 8. Then, we'd be bigger, more athletic and have another shooter. I like this move more and more.

I can't believe the FAN and other New York media idiots are coming out against this trade. What a bunch of reactionary morons.

it doesn't allow us to focus only on drafting raw bigman! Crawford, Marbury & Q have way too many holes in their game! neither of those guys play a lick of defense!
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6/23/2005  5:48 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by s3231:

Here's something nice from the realgm article about the trade:

" There has been confusion over which side would receive the draft choice, but when this story was first broke by RealGM.com, late Wednesday night, my source said that the Suns would receive the pick, but it is now appearing that the Knicks will receive the conditional pick from Phoenix."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36324/20050623/the_first_to_report_the_deal_richardson_traded_to_knicks_for_thomas/

AWESOME. We recieve the pick and don't swap first rounders??? That would make this a GREAT trade.
If this report was true, it's a fantastic deal. And some people were saying to just stay put, make no trades this summer, just draft and sign players.

According to Stephen A. Smith, there are conditional first rounders going from BOTH teams. Until we learn the terms of the first rounders, I'd have to say the jury is out.

I do think this is a good trade though. It fills a glaring need that was going to be hard to address in the draft, allows us to focus on getting size in the draft and with the MLE and adds a tough, YOUNG veteran who can guard the Ricky Davis' and Paul Pierce's of the world. We couldn't TOUCH those guys last season with Jamal, Penny and Trevor. Now we can throw Q on them. It's a big help.

Hopefully, a guy like Blatche or Taft falls to 30 and we can add Frye at 8. Then, we'd be bigger, more athletic and have another shooter. I like this move more and more.

I can't believe the FAN and other New York media idiots are coming out against this trade. What a bunch of reactionary morons.

it doesn't allow us to focus only on drafting raw bigman! Crawford, Marbury & Q have way too many holes in their game! neither of those guys play a lick of defense!
Crawford's the only one of those 3 who plays bad defense
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