DLeethal wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Brunson was also terrible. You could see Brunson ball creeping in late and could almost feel where it was going.

100% feel the same. He and Brown, the 2 most important people during the game, ****ed up big time.

KAT was BALLING and he was sidelined by Brunson. When all the Hawks had all the fouls too.

And neither could figure it out.

Jalen is uber talented. He does not have a good feel for running a team at a playoff level. He is a SG in a PG body.

You know what’s worse with Brunson?

That he is smart enough to know that this team is better when he passes and sometimes he does and we win. But when we win and he only has a high assist number and that’s it, it’s like if he can’t or won’t repeat that. I get that he is a shooter and clutch, but this is a team sport and our best version usually has someone else staring with him just providing clutch shots at the end.

Yesterday was like he wanted to will the team to win on his back and it was sad to see it when the talent around him does not need to be carried. KAT dominates and we win because KAT is unlike any other player. He can shoot the lights out, pass and his defense has been on point. His reward? Vanished from the 4th. That was mostly on Brunson and he did look ashamed of his decision-making, but I’m tired of that act. We saw that soooo many times during the season that it should’ve been fixed there. This team is like a freaking Dory fish from Finding Nemo that can’t retain any lesson.

Brown, I’m done with him. He was supposed to come here and make us improve. He experimented a lot during the season and I was ok because he was learning the team. But to come here in the postseason to experiment with trash lineups that make no sense and then not have the balls to control Brunson when he is hijacking the offense, your are a freaking clown. To even defend those lineups on the presser is ridiculous.

This team, man!! Whoever is rightfully frustrated with them today is not really because ofthe loss, but because this situation is the unwanted reminder that this team is still a mess after a full season together. This decision-making from Brown and Brunson is tough but tolerable during the season, but at this point? Gimme a freaking break! You have all the pieces to make this a dream run and you are too shortsighted to see how you are blowing it.

The team that has played so far this postseason would get historically embarrassed by Boston in the second round. You don’t think they are already salivating at the opportunity to get revenge on us while they keep improving their perfect act? This Knicks team is that dumb to think that their clown act can still get them somewhere in these playoffs? Boston is looking forward to humiliating you in Round 2 and you show that at this point you still aren’t on the same page?

Fuuuudge…

I would chill just a little bit. They looked worse after 2 games vs Detroit and beat a much better Celtics team. Knicks dominated for 7 out of 8 quarters of play. Sky is not falling at this current time. They just made things harder on themselves, which they are famous for doing.

Hey, if you can believe this, great for you. Really.

I just see the same inconsistent Jekyll and Hyde team that we’ve always been and the thing is that those teams always get bounced out of the playoffs. This time, the roster is so deep that it’s too frustrating to think that they are playing themselves into the same role as before.

I’m not saying that the sky is falling. It’s not about that with this team. It’s more about that frustrating mental roadblock that doesn’t go away no matter the coach and no matter the depth of the team. This team might be their best version in decades, and it could not matter because there seems to be a huge mentality issue here.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Brunson was also terrible. You could see Brunson ball creeping in late and could almost feel where it was going.

Again this is also on Coach Brown. There were at least 2-3 turnovers Brunson had last night he got trapped on a double with the out of bounds behind him and brown should have called the timeout.

I guess Coach Brown was saving the timeouts for…?

Knicks did not have a time out left at games end. So to your point, your thinking Brown knew a turnover was coming and should have seen the future?

There were a few really good shots that were "in and out". Team went cold. That happens too. It sucks.

ATL got really good at swiping the ball down the stretch. OG, Brunson, and Kat all got picked. No acknowledgment of that talent?
I know your hurt. Losing a lead is oh so painful. Need a scapegoat. But your not a 12 year old boy inconsolable are you?

You are reaching. A lot. This is literally the coaches job, to know the current situation and anticipate future ones. It's his job.

He gets paid millions to do exactly this and gets the whole season to build up to it.

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Brunson was also terrible. You could see Brunson ball creeping in late and could almost feel where it was going.

100% feel the same. He and Brown, the 2 most important people during the game, ****ed up big time.

KAT was BALLING and he was sidelined by Brunson. When all the Hawks had all the fouls too.

And neither could figure it out.

Jalen is uber talented. He does not have a good feel for running a team at a playoff level. He is a SG in a PG body.

You know what’s worse with Brunson?

That he is smart enough to know that this team is better when he passes and sometimes he does and we win. But when we win and he only has a high assist number and that’s it, it’s like if he can’t or won’t repeat that. I get that he is a shooter and clutch, but this is a team sport and our best version usually has someone else staring with him just providing clutch shots at the end.

Yesterday was like he wanted to will the team to win on his back and it was sad to see it when the talent around him does not need to be carried. KAT dominates and we win because KAT is unlike any other player. He can shoot the lights out, pass and his defense has been on point. His reward? Vanished from the 4th. That was mostly on Brunson and he did look ashamed of his decision-making, but I’m tired of that act. We saw that soooo many times during the season that it should’ve been fixed there. This team is like a freaking Dory fish from Finding Nemo that can’t retain any lesson.

Brown, I’m done with him. He was supposed to come here and make us improve. He experimented a lot during the season and I was ok because he was learning the team. But to come here in the postseason to experiment with trash lineups that make no sense and then not have the balls to control Brunson when he is hijacking the offense, your are a freaking clown. To even defend those lineups on the presser is ridiculous.

This team, man!! Whoever is rightfully frustrated with them today is not really because ofthe loss, but because this situation is the unwanted reminder that this team is still a mess after a full season together. This decision-making from Brown and Brunson is tough but tolerable during the season, but at this point? Gimme a freaking break! You have all the pieces to make this a dream run and you are too shortsighted to see how you are blowing it.

The team that has played so far this postseason would get historically embarrassed by Boston in the second round. You don’t think they are already salivating at the opportunity to get revenge on us while they keep improving their perfect act? This Knicks team is that dumb to think that their clown act can still get them somewhere in these playoffs? Boston is looking forward to humiliating you in Round 2 and you show that at this point you still aren’t on the same page?

Fuuuudge…

You are articulating what I am thinking and feeling.

Brunson is a world class finisher and scorer. He is a below average at managing an offense, and as soon as things get tough - and let's be honest, defenses just need to pressure him up the court enough and that's the turning point on that - he has one mode and that is ISO for himself. Cause he can't think better and his vision is limited.

He is a PG but cannot elude full court pressure and constantly gets congested in PnR situations. He has a good handle except in those very situations. Brunson actively puts himself into the congested PnR situations along the sideline or half court line and then wonders why things get mucked up. He does not have good vision and gets a ton of gravity, but he can make nice passes that some times does require vision. He does not know how to take advantage of his gravity. IMHO he does not make players better with his PG play or passing, he does it with his scoring and the gravity it creates. But because of his limited vision, that gets negated too much.

Brown: Deuce, Shamet, Clarkson, OG, Mitch. What kind of dumbass lineup is that? And the one guy who can dribble and pass? Clarkson, and he is the guy that is standing in the corner over and over because that is the role that was given to him over Deuce and Shamet. This is the playoffs not the regular season. Deuce and Shamet played poorly and I can barely criticize them cause they were PUT in poor roles. Although Deuce made some god awful decisions with the ball.

If they are gonna play that stupid lineup is should be Clarkson / Mitch PnR every single time. Instead it’s Deuce dribbling in circles with no threat to drive and turning it over on a swing pass.

Knicksfan wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

DLeethal wrote:Brunson was also terrible. You could see Brunson ball creeping in late and could almost feel where it was going.

100% feel the same. He and Brown, the 2 most important people during the game, ****ed up big time.

KAT was BALLING and he was sidelined by Brunson. When all the Hawks had all the fouls too.

And neither could figure it out.

Jalen is uber talented. He does not have a good feel for running a team at a playoff level. He is a SG in a PG body.

You know what’s worse with Brunson?

That he is smart enough to know that this team is better when he passes and sometimes he does and we win. But when we win and he only has a high assist number and that’s it, it’s like if he can’t or won’t repeat that. I get that he is a shooter and clutch, but this is a team sport and our best version usually has someone else staring with him just providing clutch shots at the end.

Yesterday was like he wanted to will the team to win on his back and it was sad to see it when the talent around him does not need to be carried. KAT dominates and we win because KAT is unlike any other player. He can shoot the lights out, pass and his defense has been on point. His reward? Vanished from the 4th. That was mostly on Brunson and he did look ashamed of his decision-making, but I’m tired of that act. We saw that soooo many times during the season that it should’ve been fixed there. This team is like a freaking Dory fish from Finding Nemo that can’t retain any lesson.

Brown, I’m done with him. He was supposed to come here and make us improve. He experimented a lot during the season and I was ok because he was learning the team. But to come here in the postseason to experiment with trash lineups that make no sense and then not have the balls to control Brunson when he is hijacking the offense, your are a freaking clown. To even defend those lineups on the presser is ridiculous.

This team, man!! Whoever is rightfully frustrated with them today is not really because ofthe loss, but because this situation is the unwanted reminder that this team is still a mess after a full season together. This decision-making from Brown and Brunson is tough but tolerable during the season, but at this point? Gimme a freaking break! You have all the pieces to make this a dream run and you are too shortsighted to see how you are blowing it.

The team that has played so far this postseason would get historically embarrassed by Boston in the second round. You don’t think they are already salivating at the opportunity to get revenge on us while they keep improving their perfect act? This Knicks team is that dumb to think that their clown act can still get them somewhere in these playoffs? Boston is looking forward to humiliating you in Round 2 and you show that at this point you still aren’t on the same page?

Fuuuudge…

I would chill just a little bit. They looked worse after 2 games vs Detroit and beat a much better Celtics team. Knicks dominated for 7 out of 8 quarters of play. Sky is not falling at this current time. They just made things harder on themselves, which they are famous for doing.

Hey, if you can believe this, great for you. Really.

I just see the same inconsistent Jekyll and Hyde team that we’ve always been and the thing is that those teams always get bounced out of the playoffs. This time, the roster is so deep that it’s too frustrating to think that they are playing themselves into the same role as before.

I’m not saying that the sky is falling. It’s not about that with this team. It’s more about that frustrating mental roadblock that doesn’t go away no matter the coach and no matter the depth of the team. This team might be their best version in decades, and it could not matter because there seems to be a huge mentality issue here.

I don’t believe anything except that the sky isn’t falling yet. We got beat handily by Detroit for the bulk of two games at home last year and split 1-1. The situation was much less rosy at that stage than it is now. We went on to win 2 straight on the road and beat an elite Boston team.

So extrapolating these two games as a sign we would get destroyed by Boston doesn’t make sense to me.

Rookie wrote:What was up with Brunson defending the point of attack and repeatedly switching onto the ball handler only to get torched over and over late in the 4th. Maybe Brunson is getting hit in the head to many times in this series.

I saw some stat that Brunson’s defense against the opposing shot taker was something like 6th worse of anyone all season long.

DLeethal wrote:I actually think the non JB / KAT lineup could work for 6 mins per game if they just let Clarkson cook. For some reason they try to let Deuce cook instead.

just no reason for it, KAT has looked very good without Brunson so why not give him a few minutes out there alone?

he'll probably go for 40 on 12-18 next game and I still think we win in 5 but concerning because defenses will only get better.