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6/26/2024  11:02 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
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nycericanguy wrote:DET just renounced Wiseman also...

Would love Wiseman on the Knicks.

I don't know our cap situation but couldn't we use an exception on him?

yes can't imagine he'd command much.

[Sidery] The Pistons will soon renounce James Wiseman making him an unrestricted free agent. Instead of giving Wiseman a 1-year qualifying offer, Detroit prefers to clear more cap space. The former No. 2 overall pick will be an intriguing buy-low option on the veteran’s minimum market.

I would jump all over that. Low risk, high reward.
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6/26/2024  11:05 AM
JesseDark wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:DET just renounced Wiseman also...

Would love Wiseman on the Knicks.

I don't know our cap situation but couldn't we use an exception on him?

Guess he could give us the 7 pts a game and rebound. He is not a stretch 3 pt shooting big, which is what I hope we get out of the draft.

He could give us more than that. Look what Thibs did with Precious.
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6/26/2024  11:05 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

Simply due to expectations that Randle will come at a cheaper cost. If this is not the case then Randle and OG will be competing for who is kept and who is moved. You def don't let Randle walk as a FA though. You trade him for a different piece to extend the window or future assets.

We have a 2 year window with Brunson, Randle, Mikal, Robinson at their current pay rates. And a 3 year window with Duece, Donte, Hart at theirs.

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6/26/2024  11:10 AM
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Salary next season:

Bradley Beal:
$50.2 million

Karl-Anthony Towns:
$49.4 million

Kawhi Leonard:
$49.4 million

Jimmy Butler:
$48.8 million

Dame Lillard:
$48.8 million

Jalen Brunson AND Mikal Bridges COMBINED:
$48.2 million
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6/26/2024  11:19 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.
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6/26/2024  11:23 AM
Them gonna be some big lanes Brunson get unleashed in.

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6/26/2024  11:24 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:OG now our second FA priority, behind Arcidiacono.

What about Kyle Lowry?

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6/26/2024  11:26 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

It's not a discount. It's a favorable move - both for the Knicks and for Brunson - that moves the contract money to a different year.

This is an exchange of favors, not a discount.

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6/26/2024  11:30 AM
martin wrote:Signed and sealed with love

Hate these talking heads saying "elite role players". Can see the told-ya-so's coming in droves the minute we have dip in form.

As it says in the bible, forsooth, the haterz gonna hate.

I think we are in the best position we've been in since McDyess's knee was in one piece.

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6/26/2024  11:30 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

OG is getting paid. He's not giving a discount. He's a high impact player who gets hurt alot. He's 26. This is the time he's getting paid and that's fine. I do believe Randle/Brunson will both take team friendlier deal but time will tell.

Get ready for 5/$200mm for OG. It's fine.

My god what rotation Leon has handed to Thibs. We have a legit multi-year window for a title here with nobody aging out. The only concern is paying guys in the future and how that plays out. Lovely problem to have.

We will see how center plays out. IHart's best thing is availability. He can always play. I think his passing isnt missed w/ Randle coming back and being a primary ball handler.

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6/26/2024  11:39 AM
Not because he’s a Nova guy, but just because we would be coming full circle on the mistake we made 10 years ago not completing the trade for Kyle Lowry. Lowry needs to be a Knick as our b/u PG on the vet min. Tomas can’t be the 3rd PG while he learns the nba. Love Deuce but he is a SG in a PG’s body
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6/26/2024  11:45 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

Going after what's been reported. Brunson is willing to take significantly less for Knicks "to add more players" i.e. his buddy's. OG wants his payday. It is what it is and should balance out.
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6/26/2024  11:46 AM
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

It's not a discount. It's a favorable move - both for the Knicks and for Brunson - that moves the contract money to a different year.

This is an exchange of favors, not a discount.

We assume that Randle was doing the Knicks FO a "favor" a few years ago in hopes of improving the team and the organization returning the favor at his next extension. Now we (the fans) are ready to ship him off.

Point is, we're asking/expecting the players to forgo millions in hopes that the organization is going to take care of them at the next go around but it not guaranteed. What if Brunson has a terrible injury that takes him out for the season. Are we still expecting the Knicks to do him a solid and max him out?

I don't know man...
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6/26/2024  11:47 AM
I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.
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6/26/2024  11:54 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
martin wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:This is a GREAT trade!

OG was a great fit for the Knicks but paying 35-40 million for an oft injured, 3rd option, would have been insane.

The picks, at the very least the first 2, would be high FRP.

Love this trade for the Knicks.

Now, if the Knicks are indeed moving on from OG, lets all hope he doesn't land in Philly

No way you let OG walk. This move was made putting all the chips on the table. Letting OG walk after the price you just paid for Mikal with down the line draft picks would be insane. You pay OG his $40mil, get the chip or 2, then trade him when Mikal & Randle extensions start to kick in.

why would you trade OG instead of just letting Randle walk who will be 32 then and declining.

I think if Brunson signs the cheaper extension now, which I think he will, we won't have any issue keeping this team together.

The only player who needs to take LESS is OG Anunoby.

Asking Brunson to take a discount just because they got an old college teammate to run with his is asinine.

Asking a two time All-NBA player and multiple All-Star to take a discount, is asinine.

We go after players like Melo because we believe all he cared about was money but for some odd reason, OG gets a pass.
(if all rumors are true)


OG was a great fit for the Knicks and Bridges will be JUST AS GOOD. I think some of us are focusing too much on these draft picks. Draft picks are a crap shoot (See RJ, Quickley, Grimes, Toppin) and the chances of getting a player of Bridges caliber are slim to none.

It's not a discount. It's a favorable move - both for the Knicks and for Brunson - that moves the contract money to a different year.

This is an exchange of favors, not a discount.

We assume that Randle was doing the Knicks FO a "favor" a few years ago in hopes of improving the team and the organization returning the favor at his next extension. Now we (the fans) are ready to ship him off.

Point is, we're asking/expecting the players to forgo millions in hopes that the organization is going to take care of them at the next go around but it not guaranteed. What if Brunson has a terrible injury that takes him out for the season. Are we still expecting the Knicks to do him a solid and max him out?

I don't know man...

This is how the world moves man. You don’t have to like or understand it.

You keep framing this as forgoing money. That is clearly not the case.

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6/26/2024  12:02 PM
firefly wrote:
martin wrote:Signed and sealed with love

Hate these talking heads saying "elite role players". Can see the told-ya-so's coming in droves the minute we have dip in form.

As it says in the bible, forsooth, the haterz gonna hate.

I think we are in the best position we've been in since McDyess's knee was in one piece.

I don't take it as demeaning, I actually think it's a compliment. Knicks are getting ELITR players in their role. OG is superstar level defensive impact, DDV is elite 3pt shooter, Mitch is elite rebounder, etc.

Instead of getting random superstars, we are getting superstars in that particular role.
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6/26/2024  12:03 PM
DLeethal wrote:I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.

Most of the Knicks picks will stink anyway. Knicks are very deep and very good.
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6/26/2024  12:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2024  12:08 PM
DLeethal wrote:I think the idea we overpaid is kind of off base. If someone traded a really good young player and 3 firsts nobody would blink. Knicks traded a bunch of late picks and a potentially iffy one 7 years from now and gave up no players at all. Also paid the Hudson River tax. Still not a massive overpay.

Exactly, in reality the Knicks traded:

3 Lottery protected picks (we making playoffs for the foreseeable future)- 2025,27,29
And that 2031 unprotected which scares me a little but you gotta give up something
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firefly wrote:
martin wrote:Signed and sealed with love

Hate these talking heads saying "elite role players". Can see the told-ya-so's coming in droves the minute we have dip in form.

As it says in the bible, forsooth, the haterz gonna hate.

I think we are in the best position we've been in since McDyess's knee was in one piece.

This is the most talented Knicks team I've seen in my lifetime.

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