Nets owner said last week that the team needs a realistic appraisal of their situation. It sounded like he was floating a rebuild balloon. Knicks can offer a late first round pick this year and the Detroit second rounder, Milwaukee's next year, and Washington's in the near term, plus two future picks from the Knicks. Only teams with more draft assets are OKC Utah and San Antonio.

Clean wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:On page 3 or 4 of this thread I did a pretty deep dive into the contract numbers. It really seems like Bogs is a luxury the Knicks can't afford. I don't think there's much of a need to trade him- just give him the 2 million buy out. Unless of course a Bridges trade is possible.

Nets owner said last week that the team needs a realistic appraisal of their situation. It sounded like he was floating a rebuild balloon. Knicks can offer a late first round pick this year and the Detroit second rounder, Milwaukee's next year, and Washington's in the near term, plus two future picks from the Knicks. Only teams with more draft assets are OKC Utah and San Antonio.

If we are to trade for anyone on a decent sized contract we will need Bogey to help match the numbers. Just buying him out means we will have to give up more core players to make any trade for a good player. Unless I am missing something. I am no cap god.

Keeping Bogs while offering OG and IHart new deals likely means no MLE and all the restrictions that come with being an apron team.

VDesai wrote:Who is a better player you can get with an MLE than Bogdonovic. Dont over think it. Pick him up - he plays a role as bench scorer and his contract would be a 20mm expiring piece that can be used if he doesn't really fit. You can let him go for 2mm, but either you dont replace him or you have to find someone better to replace him with and I dont think either situation is better than having him.

Pretty sure it is more complicated than your analysis.

1) Bogs is a 35 year old wing on the last year of his contract with a $4m guaranteed dead money hit.
2) He has the ability to catch fire, but generally has not seen a shot he didn’t like. Loose trigger and has had an overall negative plus minus while he is on the Court. He’s basically Evan Fournier, but 3 years older. Same people in love with Eaf are the same people in love with Bogs.

3) His contract had value solely as a kick the can model to use a cap filler in a larger trade when combined with picks.

4) Injuries made him more necessary but his lack of conditioning and loose play style took away from the Knicks overall plan. Towards the playoffs, you could see his conditioning starting to come back but that ended prematurely with an injury requiring surgery.

Now, the comments about the use of the MLE are mostly correct. Assume for one moment that the Knicks are both willing to pay OG Anunoby AND that OG’s final contract will not exceed the Max. Just like the Knicks did with Josh Hart, the best economic outcome for the Knicks is to agree on a 5 year AAV, have OG opt in and make up the contract value in years 2-5.

Use some combination of Bogs and other pieces if necessary to add a more functional rotation piece. For giggles, let’s say Bogs, picks for Jonathan Isaac or… Markannen.

With the first year savings on OG, the Knicks have room to use the MLE to fill any additional roster holes caused by the Bogs trade.

Randle 29
Brunson 24
OG 20
DDV 12
Hart 18
IHart 16
Robinson 14
McBride 5
[Isaac] 20
Achiuwa 5
Sims 2
Burks 2
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Approx $167m before MLE and can fit under the $178 first apron.

Doesn’t have to be specifically these moves and there is room to shave dollars here and there, but the OG extension AAV governs the MLE. But if you end up moving Mitch with Bogs for a bigger name or iHart takes the money, you can pick up Goga Botadze.

Knicks have the absolute ability to have an outstanding 8,9 or 10 man rotation and still have a solid bench. It’s actually really interesting how they positioned themselves.

Just need OG to give them the flexibility.

Is that completely wrong?

Very confused on complications with how we can use Bogey contract.

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:After watching Boston demolish Dallas, I'm much more in favor of going all in in terms of offering draft picks plus Bogs for Bridges.

If you are building a team with the specific intent of beating Boston

1) What’s your best lineup using current roster and players that are arguably in the rumor mill/obtainable?

2) Specifically, who do you play at Center to counter KP’s production both offensively and defensively?

3) Does the Knicks’ offensive regime have enough firepower (eFG, ppp) to counter a Boston scheme that ideally takes 40-50 3s per game at a 40% 3pt%. Meaning that they will simply outscore teams reliant on midrange on a points per possession basis?

I only watched a little but saw KP camped under the basket. Maybe they were playing some hybrid zone defense? Mavs couldn’t make a 3. It’s a live or die by the 3 league

DLeethal wrote:I think if you identify a gem of a MLE signing you have to take it over 35 y/o Bogie. We might be better off without a massive trade at this point anyway. Adding a younger guy to lock up for multiple years OR a more impactful guy with MLE should be higher priority than keeping Bogie around for hypothetical trade scenarios that might never matriculate.

The problem with using the MlE is it hardcaps the Knicks at the first apron and will make it harder to execute a big trade later on. I’ll be shocked if they use the MLE. The name of the game is flexibility.