martin wrote:It won't be with Rose, you're definitely a homer LOL

iHart, Obi, RJ, Hart, IQ

I can't see R.J. Barrett on the bench because every team needs a 3rd Scorer and Grimes may never become a 20+ point per game scorer (alongside of Jalen Brunson and Julius Randle) especially not this year he won't.

I'd actually like to see...

C; Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Josh Hart.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Jalen Brunson.

Moves R.J. Barrett back to his natural position of 2G (@ 6'6) while also allowing Quentin Grimes to have more of an impact (Offensive) Role amongst the 2nd unit.

C; Isaiah Hartenstein.
PF: Obi Toppin.
SG: Quentin Grimes.
PG: Immanuel Quickley.

(And Ladies and Gentlemen; that's Tom Thibs 9-Man Rotation right there).

Long story short I think the addition of Josh Hart gives Tom Thibs a lot of different rotational opportunities.

Panos wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Panos wrote:Can somebody tell me why Barrett is a "natural" SG when the guy can't shoot well? Where is this coming from?

I guess he is saying that because of RJ’s height?

Do you know what the S stands for in SG?

Yup

NYKMentality wrote:

Panos wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Panos wrote:Can somebody tell me why Barrett is a natural SG when the guy can't shoot well? Where is this coming from?

I guess he is saying that because of RJs height?

Do you know what the S stands for in SG?

He's always been a natural SG and who's to harp all over his FG% etc when he's only 22 and the youngest kid on our roster with a lot of time to develop into a more efficient scorer.

@ SG he's able to use his height/size to his advantage and on both ends of the floor too (unlike @ SF).

C; Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Josh Hart.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Jalen Brunson.

It's just my opinion but I believe that starting 5 would thrive together.

And I'm just not willing to make fun of RJs shooting when Quentin Grimes isn't exactly lighting it up either.

So let me get this straight: RJ is a "natural SG" because of his height at 6-6, and Hart is a SF at 6-4"? Do you guys just make this **** up? THere is nothing about RJ's game to me that makes him more of a SG than a SF. At least at SF you can get away with being a jack of all trades. At SG, you gotta be able to shoot.

gradyandrew wrote:

Panos wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Panos wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Panos wrote:Can somebody tell me why Barrett is a natural SG when the guy can't shoot well? Where is this coming from?

I guess he is saying that because of RJs height?

Do you know what the S stands for in SG?

He's always been a natural SG and who's to harp all over his FG% etc when he's only 22 and the youngest kid on our roster with a lot of time to develop into a more efficient scorer.

@ SG he's able to use his height/size to his advantage and on both ends of the floor too (unlike @ SF).

C; Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Josh Hart.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Jalen Brunson.

It's just my opinion but I believe that starting 5 would thrive together.

And I'm just not willing to make fun of RJs shooting when Quentin Grimes isn't exactly lighting it up either.

So let me get this straight: RJ is a "natural SG" because of his height at 6-6, and Hart is a SF at 6-4"? Do you guys just make this **** up? THere is nothing about RJ's game to me that makes him more of a SG than a SF. At least at SF you can get away with being a jack of all trades. At SG, you gotta be able to shoot.

I feel like with the way the Knicks play there isn't much of a difference. Randle and Brunson ISO or run the pick and roll and dump it off to the dunker or the open guy outside. It's also not strictly about height- Josh Hart definitely gives off more of a forward vibe than RJ does. I also think most SG's will struggle keeping Hart off of the offensive glass so it's more likely RJ gets a smaller guy to work against on his drives.

RJ's shot profile is really dependent on having strong offensive rebounding (because he misses so many layups at the rim). Having Hart and Robinson on the court should help the team.

So what "vibe" do you get from RJ? That's my whole point. I get no SG vibe from RJ. At all.

Panos wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Panos wrote:

Rookie wrote:

Panos wrote:Can somebody tell me why Barrett is a natural SG when the guy can't shoot well? Where is this coming from?

I guess he is saying that because of RJs height?

Do you know what the S stands for in SG?

He's always been a natural SG and who's to harp all over his FG% etc when he's only 22 and the youngest kid on our roster with a lot of time to develop into a more efficient scorer.

@ SG he's able to use his height/size to his advantage and on both ends of the floor too (unlike @ SF).

C; Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Josh Hart.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Jalen Brunson.

It's just my opinion but I believe that starting 5 would thrive together.

And I'm just not willing to make fun of RJs shooting when Quentin Grimes isn't exactly lighting it up either.

So let me get this straight: RJ is a "natural SG" because of his height at 6-6, and Hart is a SF at 6-4"? Do you guys just make this **** up? THere is nothing about RJ's game to me that makes him more of a SG than a SF. At least at SF you can get away with being a jack of all trades. At SG, you gotta be able to shoot.

I don’t know what you’re arguing with me about. RJ’s shooting form is always different so it is doubtful he will ever be a consistent 3pt shooter. it looked like Thibs tried Hart at SG with Brunson and IQ and also at SF with Brunson and Barrett. Hart played well with similar results in both line ups. RJ has been not only sucking ass but has low effort except for some flashes when he seems to lock in and then fade again. For some reason Thibs is ride or die with Barret. I don’t get it but it’s his team so wtf do I know? I’m just someone who follows the team very closely….no homer

Panos wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Josh Hart has played most of his entire NBA Career @ SF and I'd imagine it's because he's an excellent rebounder with great wing Defense too.

Oh really?
https://www.nba.com/player/1628404/josh-hart
What position does it list there?

I don't think NBA.COM header is an accurate source when we all clearly remember Hart @ SF for multiple years in N.O and also multiple years @ SF in Portland (including this year). And during his Knicks debut he was also playing SF too.

gradyandrew wrote:

Panos wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Josh Hart has played most of his entire NBA Career @ SF and I'd imagine it's because he's an excellent rebounder with great wing Defense too.

Oh really?
https://www.nba.com/player/1628404/josh-hart
What position does it list there?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hartjo01.html

For position I usually check the play-by-play position estimate at basketball reference. This is also splitting hairs; generally the NBA has moved to talking about wings rather than SG and SF.

It's not only splitting hairs, it's a complete diversion. The question is why is RJ a "natural SG"?

gradyandrew wrote:

Panos wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Josh Hart has played most of his entire NBA Career @ SF and I'd imagine it's because he's an excellent rebounder with great wing Defense too.

Oh really?
https://www.nba.com/player/1628404/josh-hart
What position does it list there?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hartjo01.html

For position I usually check the play-by-play position estimate at basketball reference. This is also splitting hairs; generally the NBA has moved to talking about wings rather than SG and SF.

There's guards that can shoot (SGs) and guards that can't (SGs and SFs).

Classically, SFs were small PFs who could dribble and sometimes shoot.

Now SFs are SGs who can not shoot; or SGs who are rebounders and defenders.