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cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

There is a guy named Rose on our bench and from what I hear hes pretty good.

Rose has been really good, up until this year of course.

It's a tiresome conversation. Grimes is going to be the long term starting SG and he has earned every minute of it. So has IQ - earned all his minutes - but he will get his soon in the form of a big fat contract.

But carry on, please discuss how giving 34 year old Rose minutes off the bench and truly ****ing up a good rotation and the development of Grimes as a POA is a worthwhile move while killing the perimeter defense and not just something that popped up into your head without much follow through on thought process.

You do understand that there are other considerations, right?

To me grimes doesnt get crap for a contract. so tell me the "other considerations". grimes and rose off the bench for 10 mins or so imho helps us more than hurts us. we keep getting down 6,8,10 points in the first quarter and hafta fight the rest of the way. funny we have a starting sg that cant shoot and other teams know this and they jump to the lead in the first quarter.

These guys trend different week to week and month to month but the season numbers tell you a story.

	2pFG%	3pFG%	eFG%
Grimes	.626	.350	.560
IQ	.518	.344	.517

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

There is a guy named Rose on our bench and from what I hear hes pretty good.

Rose has been really good, up until this year of course.

It's a tiresome conversation. Grimes is going to be the long term starting SG and he has earned every minute of it. So has IQ - earned all his minutes - but he will get his soon in the form of a big fat contract.

But carry on, please discuss how giving 34 year old Rose minutes off the bench and truly ****ing up a good rotation and the development of Grimes as a POA is a worthwhile move while killing the perimeter defense and not just something that popped up into your head without much follow through on thought process.

You do understand that there are other considerations, right?

To me grimes doesnt get crap for a contract. so tell me the "other considerations". grimes and rose off the bench for 10 mins or so imho helps us more than hurts us. we keep getting down 6,8,10 points in the first quarter and hafta fight the rest of the way. funny we have a starting sg that cant shoot and other teams know this and they jump to the lead in the first quarter.

These guys trend different week to week and month to month but the season numbers tell you a story.

	2pFG%	3pFG%	eFG%
Grimes	.626	.350	.560
IQ	.518	.344	.517

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

There is a guy named Rose on our bench and from what I hear hes pretty good.

Rose has been really good, up until this year of course.

It's a tiresome conversation. Grimes is going to be the long term starting SG and he has earned every minute of it. So has IQ - earned all his minutes - but he will get his soon in the form of a big fat contract.

But carry on, please discuss how giving 34 year old Rose minutes off the bench and truly ****ing up a good rotation and the development of Grimes as a POA is a worthwhile move while killing the perimeter defense and not just something that popped up into your head without much follow through on thought process.

You do understand that there are other considerations, right?

To me grimes doesnt get crap for a contract. so tell me the "other considerations". grimes and rose off the bench for 10 mins or so imho helps us more than hurts us. we keep getting down 6,8,10 points in the first quarter and hafta fight the rest of the way. funny we have a starting sg that cant shoot and other teams know this and they jump to the lead in the first quarter.

These guys trend different week to week and month to month but the season numbers tell you a story.

	2pFG%	3pFG%	eFG%
Grimes	.626	.350	.560
IQ	.518	.344	.517

those stats dont mean nothing to me because IQ takes more shots than grimes

IDK cooch, seems like you will make your own path here while ignoring everything. Not much to add.

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

These guys trend different week to week and month to month but the season numbers tell you a story.

	2pFG%	3pFG%	eFG%
Grimes	.626	.350	.560
IQ	.518	.344	.517

those stats dont mean nothing to me because IQ takes more shots than grimes

To be fair, they are taking different shots. Quick has revived his floater this season and has added some midrange to his game. Grimes is either taking the catch and shoot 3, or he's going straight to the bucket.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/quentin-grimes-shot-chart

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/immanuel-quickley-shot-chart

I'm honestly surprised their 3PT% is as close as it is when you factor in IQ's buzzer beater attempts and the occasional heat check. In any event, if there was going to be an odd man out, I think we all agree it'd be Deuce losing minutes and not either Grimes or IQ?

Also worth noting in any comparison of the two, that this is Grimes' second season - "sophomore slump" is a thing, and we saw it with IQ last year until after the all-star break. The rest of the NBA gets a scouting report on these guys and the player needs to recalibrate.

(If it did come down to it and we had to lose one to a trade, I'm keeping IQ and what I think is a more well rounded game - he really is becoming quite indispensable)

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

martin wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:and IQ must start. The experiment with grimes is done. IQ is just as good a defender than grimes and he can score. First quarters we always seem to be dowm 6,8,10 points because grimes cant shoot. We dont have a sg starting.

And then who is the PG off the bench?

Grimes starts in part to guard best PG/SG on court and learn from that. Same thing they did last year with RJ

There is a guy named Rose on our bench and from what I hear hes pretty good.

Rose has been really good, up until this year of course.

It's a tiresome conversation. Grimes is going to be the long term starting SG and he has earned every minute of it. So has IQ - earned all his minutes - but he will get his soon in the form of a big fat contract.

But carry on, please discuss how giving 34 year old Rose minutes off the bench and truly ****ing up a good rotation and the development of Grimes as a POA is a worthwhile move while killing the perimeter defense and not just something that popped up into your head without much follow through on thought process.

You do understand that there are other considerations, right?

To me grimes doesnt get crap for a contract. so tell me the "other considerations". grimes and rose off the bench for 10 mins or so imho helps us more than hurts us. we keep getting down 6,8,10 points in the first quarter and hafta fight the rest of the way. funny we have a starting sg that cant shoot and other teams know this and they jump to the lead in the first quarter.

First .. The Knicks 2022-23 roster are full of role-players, there's no all-star player on the Knicks roster. Stop letting the FOUR years of averaging close to 40 minutes of playing time STATS fool you.

The Knicks big weakness in the first quarter and 3rd quarter has been Randle & Barrett, and now Brunson playing all 12 minutes of the first & third quarter every game.
Letting Randle & Brunson/Barrett warm up to the game for 10 to 12 minutes in the first quarter on every opponent for 50 games. And no improvement in offense/defense, no co-existing, no chemistry on either side of the court from the 3 players.
The Knicks don't need to trade players on the Feb. deadline. The Knicks need head coach Mark Jackson asap.

The Brunson & Grimes backcourt should receive 6 to 8 minutes per quarter.
And to change things up in the backcourt against opponents we put ..
Veteran D.Rose & young Quickley backcourt to change Brunson tempo by averaging 18 to 22 minutes per game.
I'm tired of seeing Brunson do all of veteran D.Rose halfcourt offense moves.
Don't judge D.Rose at what we have seen of D.Rose early in the season playing spot minutes as a SG to PG Randle/Barrett .. 9 man rotation com'on
Give D.Rose an all-bench lineup on this roster, and after 5 to 10 games we will see a winning exciting Knicks lineup.