Brunson adds some serious intelligence and poise to the starting unit

all minutes must be earned

gradyandrew wrote:First rotation by the starters was a little clunky but after Derrick Rose came in it was smooth sailing.

JB is a game changer on offense,he's going to be wowing us for a long time with all that Niftiness in the paint. His height will be an issue on defense all season but the rest of the team is solid enough that it won't be unworkable. Brunson is willing to sacrifice his body to take charges which are some of the best plays in the game.

How about Mitchell Robinson's breakaway dunk to start the game!? You could see his teammates were looking for him on offense, but it seems like Robinson will forever struggle to be a roll threat like Capela or peak DeAndre Jordan. Hart has a lot more flash to his game (though passing up dunks can get you exiled from Philly). Still, Robinson's D is tough to quantify. The eye test says that all good things the Knicks do this season will start with Robinson's ability to shut down the paint and control rebounds.

RJ and Randle played with a bona fide point guard and their efficiency shot up- hmm.

Deuce got 6 steals. I think his offensive role might be cuts and picks. With Hart spreading the floor it could work. Hopefully Thibs will embrace running teams ragged with our depth.

Cam- we have such high hopes for you! After he hit that first line drive 3, I had my hopes up high. I was pumped to see him pass back to RJ for the assist. Cam needs to trust he will get his opportunities and try not to force it.

Preseason has had blow outs across the league so far. I don't know the statistical history of preseason but it could be an ugly regular season. I don't think teams are running scared of GSW or Boston. It looks like Klay has lost a step and if he's not at All NBA level, the Warriors are beatable. The drat looks like it will have at least two franchise players. It's possible that after 20 games the contender and lottery teams might already be sorted out.

Good post. Agree with most.

My takeaways:
They ran at a much faster pace offensively. Including after makes.
Good to see but also means a lot of quick shots. Great if you're making them but the optics will change quickly when they dont.
Wanted to see much more PnR. Think we have the right pieces for it on both units.
Wanted to see Hart at the high post distributing the ball. Think he has the skills.
Also thought IQ forced it a bit and wondered how that will affect Grimes in that unit.
Wanted to see Randle working with JB more.

Overall, great first game. Detroit made it easy with all the turnovers and they are not very deep but we could have played to their level. As we did so many times last year.
Like JB addition. I did not expect much but so far pleasantly surprised.

GustavBahler wrote:That was a fun game.

The first thing that struck me about this squad was the ball movement. Lots of it. Not as many ISOs as last season. Dont know if thats true.

The D was great. McBride was really playing those passing lanes, but also just took the ball from the Pistons. Wouldnt mind seeing a Grimes/McBride backcourt. If Just to keep D.Rose from wearing out from too many minutes in the regular season. That could be one of the best defensive backcourts in the league. Their scoring needs to improve, but they could be the backcourt you send in, to wear down the other squad. Both players make the offense work harder for everything.

Wow, we have a legit starting PG! Makes things easier on the rest if the squad. We've has this discussion many times over the years. Glad its been put to rest, now that we have Brunson. Rose looks spry, having him reasonably healthy in the playoffs, could get us a round further.

Obi looked good driving to the rim, but so many ugly shots. Hoping PT will help. Randle had his uos and downs, but he stayed within the offense. If he drive into a double team, he gave the ball up. Quickley didnt look too good, but it might be jist getting used to the new teammates.

Hartenstein is better than I thought. More hustle plays than expected. And we havent seen his passing game take off yet.

RJ hit some clutch shots out there, his 3pter looked sharp.

I still wouldnt sleep on the Pistons.

I thought our size really stood out. Our short guys play very physical and the rest of the team is big. Mitch/Randle/RJ/Fournier got meat

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:That was a fun game.

The first thing that struck me about this squad was the ball movement. Lots of it. Not as many ISOs as last season. Dont know if thats true.

The D was great. McBride was really playing those passing lanes, but also just took the ball from the Pistons. Wouldnt mind seeing a Grimes/McBride backcourt. If Just to keep D.Rose from wearing out from too many minutes in the regular season. That could be one of the best defensive backcourts in the league. Their scoring needs to improve, but they could be the backcourt you send in, to wear down the other squad. Both players make the offense work harder for everything.

Wow, we have a legit starting PG! Makes things easier on the rest if the squad. We've has this discussion many times over the years. Glad its been put to rest, now that we have Brunson. Rose looks spry, having him reasonably healthy in the playoffs, could get us a round further.

Obi looked good driving to the rim, but so many ugly shots. Hoping PT will help. Randle had his uos and downs, but he stayed within the offense. If he drive into a double team, he gave the ball up. Quickley didnt look too good, but it might be jist getting used to the new teammates.

Hartenstein is better than I thought. More hustle plays than expected. And we havent seen his passing game take off yet.

RJ hit some clutch shots out there, his 3pter looked sharp.

I still wouldnt sleep on the Pistons.

they had some good talent but need Ivey and Cade to really take off if they are going win any games...

I thought our size really stood out. Our short guys play very physical and the rest of the team is big. Mitch/Randle/RJ/Fournier got meat

If Noel can stay on the court, doesnt miss too many games. Burks gives the Pistons off the bench, what he gave us. I see a team that could be a playoff sleeper.

Hopefully our size can be put to good use in the playoffs. It helped the Celtics with their run.

Did you laugh as hard as the rest of us did while typing that out?

Guess counting on D. Rose in any way is laughable as well. Wouldnt count either of them out. They dont need heavy minutes to play an important role.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:That was a fun game.

The first thing that struck me about this squad was the ball movement. Lots of it. Not as many ISOs as last season. Dont know if thats true.

The D was great. McBride was really playing those passing lanes, but also just took the ball from the Pistons. Wouldnt mind seeing a Grimes/McBride backcourt. If Just to keep D.Rose from wearing out from too many minutes in the regular season. That could be one of the best defensive backcourts in the league. Their scoring needs to improve, but they could be the backcourt you send in, to wear down the other squad. Both players make the offense work harder for everything.

Wow, we have a legit starting PG! Makes things easier on the rest if the squad. We've has this discussion many times over the years. Glad its been put to rest, now that we have Brunson. Rose looks spry, having him reasonably healthy in the playoffs, could get us a round further.

Obi looked good driving to the rim, but so many ugly shots. Hoping PT will help. Randle had his uos and downs, but he stayed within the offense. If he drive into a double team, he gave the ball up. Quickley didnt look too good, but it might be jist getting used to the new teammates.

Hartenstein is better than I thought. More hustle plays than expected. And we havent seen his passing game take off yet.

RJ hit some clutch shots out there, his 3pter looked sharp.

I still wouldnt sleep on the Pistons.

they had some good talent but need Ivey and Cade to really take off if they are going win any games...

I thought our size really stood out. Our short guys play very physical and the rest of the team is big. Mitch/Randle/RJ/Fournier got meat

If Noel can stay on the court, doesnt miss too many games. Burks gives the Pistons off the bench, what he gave us. I see a team that could be a playoff sleeper.

Hopefully our size can be put to good use in the playoffs. It helped the Celtics with their run.

Did you laugh as hard as the rest of us did while typing that out?

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Clean wrote:

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Hey Tommy.... we all like McBride. If you cant figure out why a player shooting 29% was "anchored to the bench" you might want to tweet on another sport

Tommy has his shtick but quite frankly I'm disappointed in everything else from him

There are fans who favor hopefuls over established players.
Someone's dream of what they think a kid can be is much better than the reality of what he really is.

Grimes and IQ are examples of the kind of players that make it in the NBA. Deuce is one of many more that have excellent skills but are not well balanced on both sides. Grimes and IQ can both play good defense (like Deuce) but they can also score at the NBA level. Not sure why Deuce's offensive production, in the G league, has yet to transfer over to the NBA. I am sure Thibs is dying to give Deuce minutes but like Frank, he has yet to show he can hit an open shot or is able to break down his defender.

A back court of Deuce & Quickley's all-around performance maybe better than Grime's & Quickley

Pistons looked awful and did not take care of the ball. Ivy first game in MSG. Cade despite not a rook had to also have some yips first game after a long off season. Deuce was awesome but lets not pretend this was a bench mark setting performance. Need more of this and as said, has to hit his shots. Otherwise he is Frank.

Curious, do the same dudes that love deuce also loved Frank?

Nalod wrote:Macri brings up a good point: Deuce will get time with injuiries. Gleague runs and likley play 30-40 games easy. Why is that so bad for a seceond round young player in his second season? Thibs obviously likes him and he got run last season. yes, becuase of injuries but also because we did not bring in any others either. Injuries do happen. Miles will play this year.

Pistons looked awful and did not take care of the ball. Ivy first game in MSG. Cade despite not a rook had to also have some yips first game after a long off season. Deuce was awesome but lets not pretend this was a bench mark setting performance. Need more of this and as said, has to hit his shots. Otherwise he is Frank.

Curious, do the same dudes that love deuce also loved Frank?

No one is calling McBride the starting PG of the future. We were still hearing that about Frank from some posters in year 3. Was more like a cult lol.

KnickDanger wrote:

Philc1 wrote:So 60+ wins?

Championship! Unless we lose next preseason game in which case trade Randle, Fire Thibs, tank.

Silver said he’s gonna rig the draft for us. Wembenyama in the NY market for 15 years would be an ATM machine for the league but we get to pick 8th overall again for the 2 millionth time