martin wrote:Didn't watch game but this seems to speak true - especially with zone apparently - but I'll let someone else confirm

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I imagine that the guys were a little spent after playing with such high energy and using an unrelenting brutal defense in their first two games. No way kids who aren't conditioned to play back to back games are in the kind of condition they'll need to be in the pros in order to keep up the pace in a regular schedule, hence the one or two game a week schedules in college. True the zone killed them, but they didn't show the tenacity and bounce that they had been showing either and that is what was so prevalent in the first two games.

I look at it like preseason football games when all the backup players are on the field. Winning or losing isn't the object of the game...it's finding out which of your lower tier players have promise. When the real season starts, winning is ALL that matters. Summer league is tryout camp and finding a needle in the haystack

BigDaddyG wrote:

Clean wrote:Now that I think about it Isaiah Hartenstein will be very important for us with zone busting. His passing and shooting with Obi's cutting will destroy zones. Hartenstein is such a good signing. If EF comes off the bench him and Quick will also stretch the floor. If Rose is healthy enough he can break down the defense even if it is in a zone.

Im not sure Grimes is ready to start. Fournier ability to shoot off the dribble and off movement. I like the improvements Grimes has made attacking closeouts and making plays, but not so much his pull up shooting.

The EF or Grimes starting decision will be a very important one this season. Its a balance between defense and shooting. I can't tell you I know which way I would go yet. I would have to see both in that role to see how the team functions.

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:Didn't watch game but this seems to speak true - especially with zone apparently - but I'll let someone else confirm

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Deuce had a couple of aggressive takes to the rim, but he pulled a Frank a lot of time. Dribbled around the perimeter and passed it off. When he was aggressive, it resulted in a lot of contested pull ups. Also, despite the boxscore, I thought Grimes played poorly. He was sped up quite a bit and was forced into some decisions.

Grimes was loose / sloppy with the ball all nigHt and I think missed 3 or 4 free throws again —- also had some bad fouls while game was still close.

Poor game by both guards imo despite Grimes decent stat line.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Clean wrote:Now that I think about it Isaiah Hartenstein will be very important for us with zone busting. His passing and shooting with Obi's cutting will destroy zones. Hartenstein is such a good signing. If EF comes off the bench him and Quick will also stretch the floor. If Rose is healthy enough he can break down the defense even if it is in a zone.

Im not sure Grimes is ready to start. Fournier ability to shoot off the dribble and off movement. I like the improvements Grimes has made attacking closeouts and making plays, but not so much his pull up shooting.

It kills me that a kid with such a beautiful jump shot struggles so much in the mid range — was really hoping that was going to be a focus for him this summer but outside of 1 mid-range step back last night he’s almost exclusive 3-pointer or all the way to the rim. If he could improve his 2 or 3 dribble pull up to > league avg it would be big step for him. I love this kid but he always seems rushed, nervous…lacking a bit of confidence - at least that is what I sense.

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BigDaddyG wrote:

Clean wrote:Now that I think about it Isaiah Hartenstein will be very important for us with zone busting. His passing and shooting with Obi's cutting will destroy zones. Hartenstein is such a good signing. If EF comes off the bench him and Quick will also stretch the floor. If Rose is healthy enough he can break down the defense even if it is in a zone.

Im not sure Grimes is ready to start. Fournier ability to shoot off the dribble and off movement. I like the improvements Grimes has made attacking closeouts and making plays, but not so much his pull up shooting.

The EF or Grimes starting decision will be a very important one this season. Its a balance between defense and shooting. I can't tell you I know which way I would go yet. I would have to see both in that role to see how the team functions.

Basketball is more than making jump shots. This is why I wanted deuce to play. You will see once the season starts and fans start complaining about Brunson defense. It’s also the fact that Brunson is now the PG of the future. Hard to be a serious team if both back court players are below average defenders.

LivingLegend wrote:

Clean wrote:Now that I think about it Isaiah Hartenstein will be very important for us with zone busting. His passing and shooting with Obi's cutting will destroy zones. Hartenstein is such a good signing. If EF comes off the bench him and Quick will also stretch the floor. If Rose is healthy enough he can break down the defense even if it is in a zone.

Read or heard some stat that Hartenstein had one of the worst foul rates in the league so wondering if we’ll be watching him on the bench in foul trouble or if we will get a legit player.

Was thinking this when we signed him. As he will be backing up another C who has a history of getting into foul trouble. Still looking to see if they use him to take some of Randle's minutes and use Sims to backup MR.

Kemet wrote:
Deuce average 1 turnover in 31 minutes last night .. Deuce would've developed lots more offensive moves if he was given 6 to 9 minutes of playing time a game alongside Kemba or Quickley in the backcourt during midseason (Thibs).

I thought you are supposed to develop moves in practice, a real game is when you should actually use them.