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Tuesday's GAME-THREAD (@ 7:30 PM): New York Knicks vs. Minnesota Timberwolves.
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BigRedDog
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1/18/2022  11:25 PM
martin wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
VDesai wrote:Randle is guaranteed to miss any clutch free throws. He is automatic.

Turnovers on every offensive possession down the stretch. Plenty of opportunity to win this game

So many things we should have done differently, any one of them resulting in a W. This one is going to sting, but make for a great video session for the coaching staff.

RJ 2 god awful TO's and a missed FT too.


He missed 2 Ft's. Also why does Randall take the technical FT when Quickly is on the court? Selfish move
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1/18/2022  11:28 PM
this game is simple: ed malloy and the officiating crew were corrupt, drunk or plain suck. gross inequity not captured in the numbers. touch fouls by us and our guys sit, and abuse by the others counted as play on.

now we all know that refs are the most vulnerable to shenanigans because a point shaved here or there could be a big boost to their income. No one likes to talk about this. but there is precedent for corrupt nba officiating.

and then you have adam silver who's a bigger stooge than david stern. so clueless about the game. they are incapable of admitting or acknowledging that poor reffing can change the gamee outcomes. Even the NFL will admit to such. let that sink in

if i were in charge i would just fire the officiating crew after a game like that, or if that's not possible, simply assign them no games. get some hungry new officiating crew. they'll learn soon enough. and you'll at least signal that the NBA is intolerant of corrupt of incompetent officiating

Ed Malloy you should be ashamed. just retire.

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1/19/2022  12:17 AM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The problem with this game is we got an aggressive and engaged Randle, a fresh Kemba, a hot Fournier, no one from the twolves killed us, and it still wasn’t good enough.

It hard to overcome this type of stuff

This whole team is streaky. They all go on runs where they look like stars and then follow it up with times where they look like trash. EF is now on the same hot streak RJ was on. RJ is back to looking avg at best. Some times Quick looks like a difference maker and other times he shoots 25% over 7 games. No one is consistent enough for us to rely on. This is why we still lose to bottom teams missing 2 of their best players.

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1/19/2022  12:27 AM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:The problem with this game is we got an aggressive and engaged Randle, a fresh Kemba, a hot Fournier, no one from the twolves killed us, and it still wasn’t good enough.

It hard to overcome this type of stuff

When thibs gives the most mins to inconsistent, non clutch, turn over prone players. What do you expect? Unless we have a superstar on the team, RJ and Randle should not be given superstar mins. RJ always potential but he’s not there yet. This team needs clutch and consistency on offense.

Also we continue to see how small ball hurts this team on defense, as we saw Cat take it str8 to the rim for and 1 and checkmate. Where’s the knick fans that hated on Mitch and rather have Randle play center? I thought Taj played Cat great and Mitch was a disruptor in the paint with his length and rebounds. Just imagine Randle as our center all game. Layups and dunks will be plenty. And he will have more turnovers trying to take his man off the dribble. Can we at least end that discussion?

Most superstars or all stars even can impact from multiple positions. This is why it’s difficult to build around Randle. He’s stuck at PF. Too slow to guard SF and not long enough or doesn’t have high defensive IQ to guard centers. I’m not saying Randle can’t carry a team, he definitely can, plus he’s our best player. But if you going to give top 5 minutes to someone, they have to have more flexibility to be able to guard and play multiple positions unless your a specialist in something. But Randle is not clutch enough to be the main guy when the game is on the line. And RJ is not consistent enough. We are flawed at the core.

I don’t see how Randle and RJ makes each other better. But when they are separate, they definitely make players around them better. One of those guys should be traded for an impact player. I just don’t know who. The problem is non of them will be traded and we will continue to try and build around them 2. Two lefties that want to get to the rim while soaking up major mins.

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1/19/2022  5:58 AM
We ran 1 PnR with Mitchell Robinson. The whole game. F this offense that relies on guys getting hot. Sick and tired if it. Randle drive and kick is our best offensive option. Unfukingbelieavable
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1/19/2022  7:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2022  7:44 AM
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Start warming up Jericho.

Randle at the 5. He is defending Towns well

? I don't recall him on Towns at all

Well there was one sequence where Randle defended him perfectly. So much for Randle at the 5. I’m a dumbass

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1/19/2022  8:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2022  8:35 AM
VDesai wrote:Randle is guaranteed to miss any clutch free throws. He is automatic.

Turnovers on every offensive possession down the stretch. Plenty of opportunity to win this game

Yes...I am sick of watching this guy. Also guaranteed to dribble into double teams and either throw the ball away or get it stripped. Time to move on from him.

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1/19/2022  8:43 AM
ccch wrote:
VDesai wrote:Randle is guaranteed to miss any clutch free throws. He is automatic.

Turnovers on every offensive possession down the stretch. Plenty of opportunity to win this game

Yes...I am sick of watching this guy. Also guaranteed to dribble into double teams and either throw the ball away or get it stripped. Time to move on from him.

And move on to what? Obi looked horrific in his 2 starts at PF and his 3 point shooting has fallen off a cliff this season

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1/19/2022  9:39 AM
Tactically, when Taj went out, the crowd and myself wanted Obi and we went Burks. It actually didn't hurt us that bad defensively, but we never executed offensively after that. Think we had no FGs after 3:40 left. The problem was your hot hand was Kemba Walker and we should have put in a big so we could run more pick and roll with Kemba. Thibs doesn't trust Obi, but he should have been in there. I would have subbed Barrett, who didn't have it, for Burks, for defense anyway.
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1/19/2022  10:27 AM
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Start warming up Jericho.

Randle at the 5. He is defending Towns well

? I don't recall him on Towns at all

Well there was one sequence where Randle defended him perfectly. So much for Randle at the 5. I’m a dumbass

Kat and Jokic are the best Centers in the NBA..they can't even guard each other.

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1/19/2022  11:03 AM
A day after and I'm still upset. Really disappointed in Randle not being able to hit damn FTs and disappointed in RJ cause every time it seems it's starting to click for him and he's ready to make that jump to the next level, he takes two steps back. RJ has been given more opportunities to handle the ball and initiate offense and he's **** the bed the last two games. If RJ continues to turn it over, Thibs is gonna have to revert him back to standing in the corner.
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1/19/2022  11:34 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Start warming up Jericho.

Randle at the 5. He is defending Towns well

? I don't recall him on Towns at all

Well there was one sequence where Randle defended him perfectly. So much for Randle at the 5. I’m a dumbass

Kat and Jokic are the best Centers in the NBA..they can't even guard each other.

They are so good, they can only guard themselves

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1/19/2022  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2022  1:44 PM
SergioNYK wrote:A day after and I'm still upset. Really disappointed in Randle not being able to hit damn FTs and disappointed in RJ cause every time it seems it's starting to click for him and he's ready to make that jump to the next level, he takes two steps back. RJ has been given more opportunities to handle the ball and initiate offense and he's **** the bed the last two games. If RJ continues to turn it over, Thibs is gonna have to revert him back to standing in the corner.

So RJ has 2 bad games with 13 TOs and he’s rewarded by standing in the corner?

Meanwhile Obi has 2 bad starts and he’s now out of the rotation?

Roster is flawed down to its core. And the core is Randle and RJ. It’s always difficult to build around a PF and SF who both drive left and is turnover prone.

Time to split them up. Since Randle is paid the most, bring RJ off the bench. I know that hard to swallow because he’s been a starter since he was drafted. But I believe it’s clear at this point. Your go to guy can’t be the most inefficient player on the team.

Also, if you give EF and a healthy Walker league leading minutes like Randle and RJ, they will be in the most improved category as well. Basically we have volume shooters where if you give them a large amount of playing time they will show a large improvement in offensive stats. So what Randle did and RJ did last year was directly related to the mins they received. Just my own opinion.

One of these guys have to go. Either to the bench or in a trade. And I love them both. I think they have the will and heart of a NYC player that fans to root for. But the talent doesn’t align with the mins they get. Or rather the results.

Next stretch of game will put us in the lottery contention. Unless Randle and RJ single handedly turn this ship around. Brace yourself for this long west coast road trip.

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1/19/2022  2:14 PM
SergioNYK wrote:A day after and I'm still upset. Really disappointed in Randle not being able to hit damn FTs and disappointed in RJ cause every time it seems it's starting to click for him and he's ready to make that jump to the next level, he takes two steps back. RJ has been given more opportunities to handle the ball and initiate offense and he's **** the bed the last two games. If RJ continues to turn it over, Thibs is gonna have to revert him back to standing in the corner.

Edwards got in RJs head last season. You could see it last night RJ never looked comfortable

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1/19/2022  2:40 PM
blkexec wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:A day after and I'm still upset. Really disappointed in Randle not being able to hit damn FTs and disappointed in RJ cause every time it seems it's starting to click for him and he's ready to make that jump to the next level, he takes two steps back. RJ has been given more opportunities to handle the ball and initiate offense and he's **** the bed the last two games. If RJ continues to turn it over, Thibs is gonna have to revert him back to standing in the corner.


Also, if you give EF and a healthy Walker league leading minutes like Randle and RJ, they will be in the most improved category as well. Basically we have volume shooters where if you give them a large amount of playing time they will show a large improvement in offensive stats. So what Randle did and RJ did last year was directly related to the mins they received. Just my own opinion.

But it isn't just volume, they shot a good percentage too. When Randle drops from 41% to 31% that's huge- this year he's making 1.5 fewer per game - that's meaninfully 4.5 pts and basically the entire difference between him scoring 24ppg and 19ish. Barrett down from 40 to 35%. Because they missing the 3's they are pressing on other opportunities IMO. Maybe they just aren't 40% 3pt guys and last year was an aberration. Or maybe we're do for a big correction in a positive direction.

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1/19/2022  3:40 PM
Really stuff here on how RJ and IQ need to learn a lot more in handling PnR. THREAD

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1/19/2022  3:45 PM
VDesai wrote:
blkexec wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:A day after and I'm still upset. Really disappointed in Randle not being able to hit damn FTs and disappointed in RJ cause every time it seems it's starting to click for him and he's ready to make that jump to the next level, he takes two steps back. RJ has been given more opportunities to handle the ball and initiate offense and he's **** the bed the last two games. If RJ continues to turn it over, Thibs is gonna have to revert him back to standing in the corner.


Also, if you give EF and a healthy Walker league leading minutes like Randle and RJ, they will be in the most improved category as well. Basically we have volume shooters where if you give them a large amount of playing time they will show a large improvement in offensive stats. So what Randle did and RJ did last year was directly related to the mins they received. Just my own opinion.

But it isn't just volume, they shot a good percentage too. When Randle drops from 41% to 31% that's huge- this year he's making 1.5 fewer per game - that's meaninfully 4.5 pts and basically the entire difference between him scoring 24ppg and 19ish. Barrett down from 40 to 35%. Because they missing the 3's they are pressing on other opportunities IMO. Maybe they just aren't 40% 3pt guys and last year was an aberration. Or maybe we're do for a big correction in a positive direction.

Great point

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1/19/2022  5:57 PM
NBA admit the refs screwed the Knicks.

And it was so BLATANT they should just give us the win because Minnesota did not beat us; the NBAs refs did.

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1/19/2022  6:30 PM
NYKMentality wrote:NBA admit the refs screwed the Knicks.

And it was so BLATANT they should just give us the win because Minnesota did not beat us; the NBAs refs did.

The earliest call is the only one that matters. Everything that happens after that becomes speculation. There's no way to go back in time and know what would have happened after that.

More broadly, officials will make mistakes. In this last game there were a sequence that went against us. If we don't cherry pick this one, how many games fell in our favor.

In watching the end of this game, Minny blew 5 possessions in a row on the dumbest plays. Personally, I thought they were throwing the game (gambling influences???). The fact that they won surprised me.

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