VDesai wrote:Nice deal. I made this point on another thread, but did freeing up the 2.50-3mm of cap we did by trading down and out of the first round potentially make a difference for us getting Kemba? Think a few team would have had salary exceptions around 6mm.

Plus we got the future Hornets first which could help us in a trade or could be used to draft a nice player

VDesai wrote:Nice deal. I made this point on another thread, but did freeing up the 2.50-3mm of cap we did by trading down and out of the first round potentially make a difference for us getting Kemba? Think a few team would have had salary exceptions around 6mm.

Pretty sure we could of cut Vildoza to free up 3 million

ESOMKnicks wrote:Surprisingly little info about Kemba's knee. Given his star status, I would think his health would be heavily scrutinized, he or the team would be making encouraging predictions, posting workout videos, etc. I hope it is because they have taken a "don't talk about it, do it" approach instead, but it still worries me that so little is revealed, maybe things are not very pretty.

Calhoun had been quoted in an article about Kemba spending the summer strengthening the knee. That’s the only reference I have come across about his knees and not about osteoarthritis discussions of knees generally.

Philc1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Surprisingly little info about Kemba's knee. Given his star status, I would think his health would be heavily scrutinized, he or the team would be making encouraging predictions, posting workout videos, etc. I hope it is because they have taken a "don't talk about it, do it" approach instead, but it still worries me that so little is revealed, maybe things are not very pretty.

I’m worried the knee is in worse shape than being let on. OKC was really desperate to get rid of him as were the Celtics

I’m hoping we get 50 games next year out of him. Hoping

OKC drafted Giddy and had SGA on roster and saved $20M, I think that speaks for itself.

Boston has just made a lot of stupid decisions recently

Nalod wrote:He needs a long rest and rehab. We can give it to him. Its part of why this works for both teams.

Let him rest the entire TC and preseason. I could care less about the inevitable beating we’ll take from the clowns in the media I just want him starting on opening night

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:Surprisingly little info about Kemba's knee. Given his star status, I would think his health would be heavily scrutinized, he or the team would be making encouraging predictions, posting workout videos, etc. I hope it is because they have taken a "don't talk about it, do it" approach instead, but it still worries me that so little is revealed, maybe things are not very pretty.

I’m worried the knee is in worse shape than being let on. OKC was really desperate to get rid of him as were the Celtics

I’m hoping we get 50 games next year out of him. Hoping

OKC drafted Giddy and had SGA on roster and saved $20M, I think that speaks for itself.

Boston has just made a lot of stupid decisions recently

OKC just got an awesome year out of a 35 year old Paul. Why not try to repeat that with Kemba?

I was never against getting Kemba. I’m still not but I’m cautiously optimistic

uhhhhhh

OKC drafted Giddy and had SGA on roster and saved $20M, I think that speaks for itself.

gradyandrew wrote:https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-kemba-walker-excited-this-city-raised-me

This is just a great interview with Ian Bagley. I think Bagley has covered him since Kemba was on the Gauchos. Kemba averaged 81 games for four seasons before Boston. If he gets a full offseason of rehab done on his knee， I don't see why he couldn't play a similar amount. By May of last season he returned to form. This is a guy who loves the Garden and is super talented. I think we're going to be in for some real electric performances next season. I might have to move back! LOL

That would be nice. His knee has a chronic condition. He is not playing 81 games. His return to form was for a playoff run and he was very inconstant. Due to HIPA constraints I don’t have his charts or notes from Physical therapy but I think a realistic thought would be he plays 60 or so games.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-kemba-walker-excited-this-city-raised-me

This is just a great interview with Ian Bagley. I think Bagley has covered him since Kemba was on the Gauchos. Kemba averaged 81 games for four seasons before Boston. If he gets a full offseason of rehab done on his knee， I don't see why he couldn't play a similar amount. By May of last season he returned to form. This is a guy who loves the Garden and is super talented. I think we're going to be in for some real electric performances next season. I might have to move back! LOL

That would be nice. His knee has a chronic condition. He is not playing 81 games. His return to form was for a playoff run and he was very inconstant. Due to HIPA constraints I don’t have his charts or notes from Physical therapy but I think a realistic thought would be he plays 60 or so games.

Can't believe I'm agreeing with this dude, but he is absolutely right. I would give walker 65 games max.

But Thibs (like MDA) will play a guy to the ground, he's not the type of coach that will protect a player from himself.

Remember Rose left Detroit on a Min restriction, by the 2nd week as knick that was out the window..

LOL, don't worry, you don't have to agree with me. Its the logic you can't refute.

The official explanation from the Pistons, as dictated by the team's medical staff, was to salvage Rose's longterm health after so many knee surgeries, but there was also a sense the guard's production declined after about 26 minutes. “We have to protect him from himself,” Pistons coach Dwane Casey said at the time.May 3, 2021

Obviously Drose's role on that team declined and he wanted out. He wanted to play. I get it. He had more in the tank and he proved it. Good for everyone. They got audition from Dennis and we got a dude outplayed his contract. We got a guy who wanted to be here and he impacted the team. Not all are saviors. So far we got him, Kemba and Randle extending. Not the starphuck we love to dream about but not all paths are easy as typing.

I expect with Fornier, Kemba, a more mature Kemba, and "Deuce" we can rest him more and stretch it out more. Kemba and Rose might not out the same time. Curious to who starts when Kemba is out? That Second unit might be a hell of thing. IQ, Rose and Obi were fun to watch. Burkes on that unit was very effective! If IQ can take some of the ball handling pressure from Derrick that would help as well. I said "SOME". Reality is incremental progress.

So what did Knicks1248 embellish today?

"But Thibs (like MDA) will play a guy to the ground, he's not the type of coach that will protect a player from himself.
Remember Rose left Detroit on a Min restriction, by the 2nd week as knick that was out the window.."

MDA will run guys in the ground? He also makes them league MVP's and perhaps play over their heads in the regular season only to run into Golden State juggernaut? Harden? That's your basis?
Or Two time MVP Nash running into Lakers or Spurs?

Drose was not thrilled by Casey's statement from

Minnesota 2018-19 51 games avg 27.3 minutes
Detroit 2018-19 50 games avg 25.6 minutes
2019-20 15 games avg 22.8 minutes (Tank season? Rookie shift to minutes and subsequent trade to knicks)
NYK 50 games avg 26.8 minutes
Playoffs 5 games avg 35.0 minutes

Drose played on avg 3.8 more minutes per night from Detroit who was playing yoots. His minutes in NYK were just a bit less than his last season in Minny. No doubt ramped it up in the playoffs.
With Frank nailed to the pine and Elf declining the minutes increased as the season progressed. Rose played great and responded. Thibs did not ride Drose all season as might be perceived. It was to salvage a 1st round bounce. That Rose did not go down with an ACL/injury was cool. The Quote from Casey about keeping him at 26 min was mostly upheld by Thibs/Knicks.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

So what did Knicks1248 embellish today?

"But Thibs (like MDA) will play a guy to the ground, he's not the type of coach that will protect a player from himself.
Remember Rose left Detroit on a Min restriction, by the 2nd week as knick that was out the window.."

MDA will run guys in the ground? He also makes them league MVP's and perhaps play over their heads in the regular season only to run into Golden State juggernaut? Harden? That's your basis?
Or Two time MVP Nash running into Lakers or Spurs?

Naold apparently forgets watching Stat's uninsurable knees being force fed into the floor by MDA? It's good Thibs didn't do the same with Rose. Maybe leaving Elf in as even a gimmick starter right through the end of the season was his way of being the anti-MDA with DRose?

Anyway, the PG situation has gone from half-feast/half-famine to a full time/full on buffet, with yoots galore, knee drama, two All Stars... and no more Frankie.

How many days to training camp?

Big difference signing Kemba to 8mm per than Stat for 100mil. That was dumb. Stat was here for 5 years, 3 three were ok. His back was a big issue.
MDA ran stat into the ground in half a year? Did MDA play ventriloquist with the Fire extinguisher that made Amare slap it like Dray likes to slap Testicles? Wait, it was a punch. Never mind.
I demonstrated how Thibs did not in fact run Drose into the ground.

And.....all you got for MDA is an "Amare Gotcha"? That's it? Not Jason Kidd at age 38 with a dad body? Sorry, that was Woodson, his backstabber.
Tears for Felton perhaps? I thought what MDA did to Chris Copeland was criminal!

So give MDA Amare is like giving a dude a Ferarri but telling him he can't drive it. Its uninsurable? Then don't freaking buy it. Blame Walsh, oh wait, I wrote a symposium on this. No, Blame Dolan. he writes checks the uninsured.

Did MDA have a minutes restriction that AMare, his doctors, and the lovely Dr. Calahan drew up and he ignored?
All kidding aside, is it not beyond comprehension that a Thibs, or any human for that matter not change? 1248 consistently references the past as if any player, coach or FO member will repeat the same course of action. Players have limited lifespan as a player and perhaps we often look at stats to measure, that I can understand. Thibs not only has history of pushing his players too hard, himself as well.
Seems a lot of this was covered publically when Thibs was hired. He has "Mellowed". Maybe.
Granted, proof is in the actions but he was questioned about many things in his hiring and he admitted he has lighted up. 35 minutes for Drose a game for 5 games is not the same as what he played him during the regular season which was demonstrated as not unreasonable.

We got a "MDA Vs Melo" thing you need to cross over?