BRIGGS wrote:

xavier wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

xavier wrote:I don’t understand why anyone mentioning Love at all. His arrival would mean we don’t have serious space in 2022, and when his contract expires, we will already have new, bigger contracts for Randle, Mitch, and probably RJ. There is really no point in agreeing to take
Love and blocking most of the space in the next two free agencies with his contract.

Love helps us get the premium player— and hopefully we keep important cost controlled role player draft picks.

You mean Sexton? As I wrote, I am not against bringing him in principle, although I certainly would not call him a "premium" player. Of course he is great value on this contract, but when he asks for max in a year, and he will ask, not so much. I may be wrong, but he just looks like someone who has good numbers on a bad team, but won’t take that to a serious level. I may be wrong, but I repeat, I would bring him for a reasonable price. If Love is part of that price, there’s no way.

No he’s a premium player

Can the definition of premium player at least include making his own team better in some sort of way? And at least not have some pretty clear flaws?

BRIGGS wrote:Loves contract can be traded after next year

Yes, you can, but you have to find a team that has cap space and is in rebuilding mode and you have to give them assets to take him. People keep repeating that big contracts in the last year are very desirable, but that has simply not been the case for a long time. You can just buy them out and have them on the cap anyway.

Why would someone want Love on 30 million contract?

The max should be for elite players only, and elite means consistency and impact. For me, this would rule out trading for Sexton or throwing $$$ at LaVine.

Having my doubts about the max for Randle too, but at least he has proven he can make an impact, it is the consistency that remains in question.

BRIGGS wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I am against having players whom we would need to pay the max before they prove they make enough of an impact to make their team at least respectable, if not a contender. Scoring 24 points per game for a crap team impresses me less than scoring 18, but taking your team into the playoffs and beyond. And neither is worth the max.

The max should be for elite players only, and elite means consistency and impact. For me, this would rule out trading for Sexton or throwing $$$ at LaVine.

Having my doubts about the max for Randle too, but at least he has proven he can make an impact, it is the consistency that remains in question.

Tgis thought process is flawed
How many great nba players played on bad teams. I can think of many.
If Colin sexton was the pg with Derrick rose backing him up and add in some perimeter length— can we beat Atlanta? Can we beat almost every team? We have a shot — we IMPROVE the team—- maybe greatly.

Colin Sexton does not have a reputation of a defensive beast that would have stopped Trae. He would improve the team, but how greatly, and will the improvement justify the cost - that is a big question. Once you commit to three maxes in Sexton, Randle and RJ - you better be sure you have a legit championship contender there. Just beating Atlanta won't cut it any more.

I still have doubts. At least Kyrie made it to the All-Star team already in his second season with the Cavs. What has Sexton done except score?

HofstraBBall wrote:

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Who knows what we’re up to!

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Or, they have a player that they love in the top ten: Bouknight? Moody? The real question is, which team in the top ten would be willing to swap with the Knicks. GS and the Pels are the two likely candidtates.

This is where I would like to see the Knicks use their assets. Not on a player that will cost a max contract and many young assets/picks. This year's draft is allegedly loaded so why not use your assets on players you can control for the next several years.

I like Sexton but feel we already have a player like him. ie. IQ. Believe if we gave IQ the same minutes and freedom Sexton has in Cleveland, he would be putting up the same type of numbers. IQ is already close to Sexton in shooting and per 36 in only his first year. Luckily, I do not see Rose changing his approach this year unless it is for a true difference maker. Do not think that is Sexton.

I Agree and disagree. If I had a choice of packaging my picks for Sexton, or packaging my picks to secure a top ten pick, I agree that I would rather secure a lotto pick. I have a post, early in this thread, endorsing a move for Sexton if it will only cost us, Knox, Obi and one of our picks. The more I think about it, I believe Cleve would want more than that package. Also, I'm falling out of love with the idea that Sexton and Randle will be our 2 max contract players. I am not as high on Randle as most on this board and I think we have to sign a player that is better than Randle if we want to earn a spot amongst the elite in the east. It will be difficult to do that with Sexton and Randle on max contracts. With that said, I do like Sextons' ability to get a bucket from anywhere on the court as you need guys like that when the play breaks down and the shot clock is running out. Unless the Knicks can convince him to take less than the max, I am not so sure anymore.

Disagree that Sexton is like IQ. Sexton is a much better iso player and does more damage than IQ does in the paint. Sexton is a bucket from all 3 levels...

BRIGGS wrote:How many great nba players played on bad teams. I can think of many.
If Colin sexton was the pg with Derrick rose backing him up and add in some perimeter length— can we beat Atlanta? Can we beat almost every team? We have a shot — we IMPROVE the team—- maybe greatly.

Sexton would help the offense but not the defense.

Sexton is not a good pick and roll defender. Sexton does not and cannot fight through screens. Sexton does not have value as being switchable in terms of overall team defense.

Last deep preseason, I wanted the Knicks to trade for Keldon Johnson of the Spurs. I even wanted him during the preseason before his draft. Johnson would have helped the Knicks against the Hawks more than Sexton would ( He would have ****ed up Capella and John Collins like a deleted scene from Gladiator) Too late now, KJ is now an Olympian.

The consensus pundit mocks last preseason had Devin Vassell going to the Knicks instead of Ski Rack Toppin. Vassell is not flawless, but he can switch and he could fight over a screen.

Trae Young is difficult to stop. He has plus plus range from the logo and he can hit all over the court even with his horrific shot selection ( He's got a little Kyrie Irving in him) He's a good decision maker and knows how to hunt for foul calls. Ntilikina, if you can pick one area where he's consistently improved, likely the only one, it's his pick and roll defense. However he's not a rim protector and there's no way the Knicks could go into a shootout with the Hawks going 3 on 5 on offense. Not when the offensive methodology would be to grind down the pace.

Synergy in team defense requires rapport and that requires time. The best case to do that is to keep hitting on your draft picks. And to keep a very very very very clean cap sheet so you have the flexibility to buy you that time together.

It's that simple. The Knicks can beat the living **** out of anyone on any given night if they just keep drafting well.

Let's say someone here wanted to lose weight. Trading for players on other teams is like working out all day long but not changing your diet. Drafting well is like changing your diet and working out consistently and moderately. You can't out train your fork. It's just not possible over the long haul. There's a reason Michael Jordan got fat as hell after he retired.

Briggs, the Knicks have to stop trading off their draft picks. Sometimes they are going to miss on picks, but they can't keep dumping them in trades for expensive veterans from other teams. Rapport and synergy cannot be crunched by the analytics teams. It can't be captured in a bottle by spending more money. It takes time, grit and blood. But mostly time.

The guys the Knicks should chase are the non sexy non brand name guys ( but with valuable projectible tool sets that wouldn't kill the cap) I wanted last offseason. Guys like Keldon Johnson, De'Anthony Melton, John Konchar, Jordan Poole, etc, etc.

You and I should run the Knicks together Briggs. I'd run the personnel side, you'd run the business side and we'd slaughter the rest of the league like Leonardo DiCaprio hanging out with a bunch of barely legal Israeli models. My huge powerful hands. Your tiny precise micro hands. Choking the rest of the NBA into submission. Imagine the press conferences. Imagine the theme night home games. We'd have Blade The Vampire night. Where you get in free and get free nachos if you dress like Blade The Vampire

Press Conference after the game

Briggs: So you see, Woj, if you turn the entire world into vampires, then wouldn't all the ****ing vampires starve to death?

Triple Threat: And how do you run around and kill people wearing 75 pounds of leather that chaffs your balls. I have huge balls and frankly tight leather is like a vise on my nuts.

Wesley Snipes: Does anyone realize I can't see jack **** with these sunglasses on indoors?

gradyandrew wrote:Warriors interested in Collin Sexton?

Evan Dammarell: The Golden State Warriors are intrigued with acquiring Collin Sexton but it would not net the Cleveland Cavaliers someone like James Wiseman or the no. 7 pick in this year’s draft, per sources. The upcoming extension and his overall fit make teams hesitant to acquire him.

Good, now we can tell them no RJ nor IQ. Knox and Obi plus 1 pick

It's the trades that are in the process(which we usually find out hours before it's official) that actually happen.

If the knicks are that aggressive, why hasn't it happen yet. The cavs want a veteran productive piece in any trade for sexton, something the knicks don't have to offer (unless they consider Knox a Veteran)

MS wrote:Sexton would actually go at Trae and really make him work, so it that respect it’s a win. He’s not going to be able to guard Reggie Bullock out there. I’m pretty sure the outcome is different with Mitch out there and a guard that’s getting to the rim which would have kept the bench on tact.

I would 💯 percent throw money at Levine. He’s a top 5 scorer out there and can match anyone and is clutch. With a couple of solid players he wins you games.

I would be all in for a Lonzo, Lavine, RJ lineup.

Yep, that's a nice core that compliments each other. Lonzo we could sign, but how do you seeus getting Lavine?

jskinny35 wrote:How about Randle and 2 #1 picks for Lavine? Sign Lonzo for $20m to complement and maybe look at Marvin Bagley to groom another decent big. We'd still have money to keep Bullock and Noel (let Burks go unless cheap). We'd sure have nice balance and our offense would start from further out with Lavine and RJ sharing the scoring load. Certainly couldn't pack it in against us as easily and we'd have IQ and maybe Rose off the bench. Will never happen but we'd be better for sure. Thibs can get anyone to play defense and Lavine has the offense already.

fishmike wrote:Devin Booker had 4 straight 20+ppg season on losing teams and all but the last team were so really bad squads. Suddenly (with better players around him) he's a super star.

Sexton checks too many boxes not to take a shot on. Hard worker, improves his game starting around his EFF% numbers, really well balanced offensive game and very athletic. Might have ego issues, can he defend, is he coachable... I mean I know Thibs can coach up guys like Bullock, RJ and Randle... I am really not surprised by that. Lets hand him some guys who might have some impact talent. Sexton is a real weapon. The deals being batted around are cost friendly and Sexton is young. The base of OBi/Knox/FRP is really good IMO when you consider the ceiling.

I have a pretty high confidence level in our FO, and I think they have a high confidence in themselves as well, especially after the IQ pick... so I dont expect them to toss these picks around like old regimes did. IF they use them to get Sexton its because they see what we hope he's got... another gear or level or two

I think most people recognize Sexton would help the team. The questions surrounding his overall value. I'm not even talking about the picks. Do you think he's worth the max to us? Do you see him, Randle and RJ leading the Knicks into the new frontier?