Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

Nah, not complaining to just complain. I’ve stated the reasons I’m very impressed with Thibs and our competence is all his doing. But that won’t stop me from calling out situations and patters that I don’t like. The Knox and Frank situation is really suspicious and negative for the team’s future and when you consider Thibs history with young players, it makes sense. Quick has been a great surprise, but he has had his minutes reduced latelyand seems to have no margin for error out there, which sucks when you see Payton struggling yet remaining on the floor. But that is moot point as now will be the moment of truth for Thibs. With Rose, Payton and Quick, we’ll see if he keeps giving IQ consistent minutes, but his track record speaks otherwise.

Oh, and for all the kudos he deserves for those 11 wins, he has really walked himself out of more wins with his substitutions. Trusting your team enough to give other players more minutes it’s not just about developing players, but about giving fair rest to the players you rely in the most. Another track record issue from Thibs that has to be mentioned.

So while I love this competitive team, I’m not gonna just sing him praises when I see things that are fishy to me.

That literally is not happening. Go look it up.

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright young minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

Nah, not complaining to just complain. I’ve stated the reasons I’m very impressed with Thibs and our competence is all his doing. But that won’t stop me from calling out situations and patters that I don’t like. The Knox and Frank situation is really suspicious and negative for the team’s future and when you consider Thibs history with young players, it makes sense. Quick has been a great surprise, but he has had his minutes reduced latelyand seems to have no margin for error out there, which sucks when you see Payton struggling yet remaining on the floor. But that is moot point as now will be the moment of truth for Thibs. With Rose, Payton and Quick, we’ll see if he keeps giving IQ consistent minutes, but his track record speaks otherwise.

Oh, and for all the kudos he deserves for those 11 wins, he has really walked himself out of more wins with his substitutions. Trusting your team enough to give other players more minutes it’s not just about developing players, but about giving fair rest to the players you rely in the most. Another track record issue from Thibs that has to be mentioned.

So while I love this competitive team, I’m not gonna just sing him praises when I see things that are fishy to me.

That literally is not happening. Go look it up.

Less than 15 mins last two games prior to this one, in which he made 17. Whenever he has struggled or made a mistake he has been taken out. But this is all moot.

Not you have another PG, veteran and coach’s favorite, who comes to play. I really hope Thibs shuts all of us up and keeps playing IQ consistent minutes, but track record says Thibs either starts Rose and gives the rest to Payton or viceversa. Quick will probably get Minutes as a shooter and after missing two 3s will be benched.

Prove me wrong, Thibs, but his track record says otherwise.

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

I’m sure Thibs let it pretty clear that he decides who plays and how much, so this is a pretty simplistic look. For example, I don’t think FO is thrilled Knox and Frank are not getting any playing time, but Thibs is winning more than expected so they won’t mess that up yet.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright youmg minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

The **** are you talking about? Did you forget all of the teams Rose lead or when he was MVP of league? I get that Rose is not the player he once was but the bro definitely knows what it takes to win at a high level.

You mean like Harden? Gawdy stats, not a team player.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright young minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

This move is definitely all Thibs. Whoever thinks this idea came from someone else is nuts. Thibs is winning so he is using his leverage.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright youmg minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

When he went to Mini he help then make the Playoffs for the first time in decades, carried the team when butler was hurt for a month.

Was a MVP in Thibs system and has always played solid all around game under thibs

His numbers are better than Payton and he was coming off the bench in Detroit playing 7 minutes less.

Everyone of our guards have been very inconsistent (which is why the team is so inconsistent) so having more to work with is always a good thing.

I promise you he's going to make you EAT YOUR WORDS just like RANDLE did.

This is not the ROSE that HATED PHIL JACKSON'S TRIANGLE

What is this "Like Randle did" stuff? Started the first positive thread about Randle this season. I never start threads.

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

martin wrote:My thought is Rose is added to help IQ to learn the game.

Rivers is a secondary ball handler with IQ and just get guys involved.

Maybe this will also help Obi and that unit

I’d love to think this way.

Yet the way Thibs coaches, the way he has used Quickley lately and the way he uses veterans tells me this is to use Rose as much as he wants.

Knicks playing best defense in league, overachieving with wins, and IQ is the surprise rookie this year playing 19 minutes a game.

Guess we got to complain about something.... that hasn’t even happened

Nah, not complaining to just complain. I’ve stated the reasons I’m very impressed with Thibs and our competence is all his doing. But that won’t stop me from calling out situations and patters that I don’t like. The Knox and Frank situation is really suspicious and negative for the team’s future and when you consider Thibs history with young players, it makes sense. Quick has been a great surprise, but he has had his minutes reduced latelyand seems to have no margin for error out there, which sucks when you see Payton struggling yet remaining on the floor. But that is moot point as now will be the moment of truth for Thibs. With Rose, Payton and Quick, we’ll see if he keeps giving IQ consistent minutes, but his track record speaks otherwise.

Oh, and for all the kudos he deserves for those 11 wins, he has really walked himself out of more wins with his substitutions. Trusting your team enough to give other players more minutes it’s not just about developing players, but about giving fair rest to the players you rely in the most. Another track record issue from Thibs that has to be mentioned.

So while I love this competitive team, I’m not gonna just sing him praises when I see things that are fishy to me.

That literally is not happening. Go look it up.

Less than 15 mins last two games prior to this one, in which he made 17. Whenever he has struggled or made a mistake he has been taken out. But this is all moot.

Not you have another PG, veteran and coach’s favorite, who comes to play. I really hope Thibs shuts all of us up and keeps playing IQ consistent minutes, but track record says Thibs either starts Rose and gives the rest to Payton or viceversa. Quick will probably get Minutes as a shooter and after missing two 3s will be benched.

Prove me wrong, Thibs, but his track record says otherwise.

So let me get this straight. 2 games ago when Elf was playing out of his mind and had 22 points in 35 minutes in a WIN no less, let me check my watch, 30 hours ago, and then this past game that finished 2 hours ago? Is that the trend or whatever you are complaining about IQ minutes being reduced?

Meanwhile IQ's 5 previous games to that: 30, 27, 24, 22, 24.

When Elf plays hard, he deserves minutes, especially if there is a chance to win and he is adding to it. When he doesn't, IQ is getting one the most minutes off the bench of a rookie.

Dude, twist my words all you want. I stand by what I said: his minutes have been going down LATELY and remarking his previous totals highlights it even more. Yes, Payton can play well, still during all those games has had bad stretches where Quick not only could’ve played, but a change on pace was necessary.

Still, you avoid the real issue now: Rose IS a threat at Quickley’s minutes and if you think that if Payton and Rose play well they deserve to get playing time, you are just as shortsighted as Thibs. Yes, let’s win as much as we can, but if that will hurt the development on our young players then we are doing it wrong.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright youmg minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

When he went to Mini he help then make the Playoffs for the first time in decades, carried the team when butler was hurt for a month.

Was a MVP in Thibs system and has always played solid all around game under thibs

His numbers are better than Payton and he was coming off the bench in Detroit playing 7 minutes less.

Everyone of our guards have been very inconsistent (which is why the team is so inconsistent) so having more to work with is always a good thing.

I promise you he's going to make you EAT YOUR WORDS just like RANDLE did.

This is not the ROSE that HATED PHIL JACKSON'S TRIANGLE

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Do you guys actually think this conversation when down or there was more to it?

Thibs: Get me Rose man.
Front Office: OK, but does that mean our star rookie will get less minutes?
Thibs: Maybe....?
FO: OK, let's do this

Rose will have played for 3 teams with Thibs. Not like he's bringing a winning attitude, or winning tradition with him. Just lots of injuries, time off, and stat padding.

All the bright youmg minds brought into the FO, and this is the best trade idea they could come up with?? This move has been recycled a few times, to say the least.

When he went to Mini he help then make the Playoffs for the first time in decades, carried the team when butler was hurt for a month.

Was a MVP in Thibs system and has always played solid all around game under thibs

His numbers are better than Payton and he was coming off the bench in Detroit playing 7 minutes less.

Everyone of our guards have been very inconsistent (which is why the team is so inconsistent) so having more to work with is always a good thing.

I promise you he's going to make you EAT YOUR WORDS just like RANDLE did.

This is not the ROSE that HATED PHIL JACKSON'S TRIANGLE

Whatever. I'm not feeling Rose and you love him. My main point is that he doesn't really address this team's needs. We need three-point shooting? DRose is a slasher, who isn't really a good playmaker and who do any play defense. I've seen him here already. He played selfishly and didn't understand the nuances of running an offense outside of iso.