BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:1 interesting fact about De'Aaron Fox is he is a better free throw shooter than both Ball and Fultz and he gets to the free throw line a ton. Fox is known as a non-shooter, while Ball and Fultz both shoot well from the outside, but free throw shooting is a huge indicator of future improvements in overall shooting, which bodes well for Fox. Fox is highest on my list of realistic targets (outside projected top 5) because his speed, playmaking, and defense are 3 elite skills that we know will translate to the NBA right away. I would rather than a prospect who is elite in some areas and has a couple weaknesses, than someone who is solid in all areas, because sometimes those players who are good in many areas but great in none tend to not translate as well to the NBA.

Why do you say that?
It certainly doenst hurt--but for example Derrick Rose is an excellent free throw and mid arange shooter but does not have range on his longer J. Right now if you watch Kentucky hes not even close on a lot of shots--I think he can improve but its going to take multi years. The problem with the NBA is you can take away some speed by playing off a guy and letting him take the longer shot. Ricky Rubio is a good example. Id rather have a guy who I feel can hit that 3 pointer--in fact I almost demand it--its the way of this league.

It's a fact that NBA scouts judge a prospect's shooting potential on free throws. It's not an exact science, but it's an indicator. As opposed to someone like Rondo, who's FT% indicated when he was younger that developing into a good shooter was never going to happen. Fox being a good FT shooter indicates the potential is there. No guarantee of course. I agree that shooting is essential, but it's easy to forget how good a player is when focusing on 1 area. Shooting is the reason Fox probably won't be a top 3-5 pick. But he carries elite attributes with speed, playmaking, defense, and ability to get to the basket that will make him a good NBA player and give him a high floor.

He has a lot of nice attributes and he reminds me a lot of Ricky Rubio. But Ricky has struggled with that shot and it does effect the team he p[lays on.

Yeah, Rubio is probably his floor, which is still a very good player. Rubio is a poor finisher though, and Fox is a very good finisher. I also think Fox's shot looks more fixable. Rubio has a flat, slow release that doesn't give him much hope. Not the case with Fox, but it will be a concern with him for sure.

The NBA becomes a tough place when you are scared to shoot it.

Agreed. It is definitely a concern, no question. I am also trying to keep an open mind about Ntilikina, who might have highest upside and is already a pretty good outside shooter. Seems to have no real weaknesses in his game, but it's so hard to judge a player like him playing against different competition. It's the same reason i never even thought about KP prior to the 2015 draft. I really wish Ntilikina was in the college game. Then again, in the US he might still be a HS senior. He is so young, won't be 19 until after the draft. But everything i have read about him is his upside it major.

#2 Josh Jackson Sf Kansas

#3 Markelle Fultz PG UCLA

#4 John Collins PF WF

#5 Jason Tatum SF Duke

#6 Dennis Smith PG NCST

#7 Caleb Swanigan PF Purdue

#8 Ky Bowman PG Boston College

#9 Malik Monk G Kentucky

#10 Dearon Fox PG Kentucky

#11 Lauri Markkanen F 7-0 230

#12 Jonathon Issac F F State

#13 Justin Patton C 7-0 230

#14 Dillon Brooks SG Oregon

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Lonzo Ball PG UCLA

#2 Josh Jackson Sf Kansas

#3 Markelle Fultz PG UCLA

#4 John Collins PF WF

#5 Jason Tatum SF Duke

#6 Dennis Smith PG NCST

#7 Caleb Swanigan PF Purdue

#8 Ky Bowman PG Boston College

#9 Malik Monk G Kentucky

#10 Dearon Fox PG Kentucky

#11 Lauri Markkanen F 7-0 230

#12 Jonathon Issac F F State

#13 Justin Patton C 7-0 230

#14 Dillon Brooks SG Oregon

It is a bit of a stretch to have Swaningan, Bowman, and Brooks in the lottery don't you think?
I doubt Collin's goes that high or that teams would pick him over Markanen
-There is no chance Jonathan Issac goes below top ten. 6-10 freakish athlete who can handle the ball, defend multiple positions, and score when called upon. Imagine him in a small ball line up with KP.

Your top 3 is on point though I don't understand how so many people have Markelle going first when Ball and Jackson are better prospects imo.

Ive had Collins at 4 for 2 weeks now. I think hes played his way into the top 10 and #1 big. Hes got a nice mid range shot hes bouncy so he can help both ends he rebounds hes a good finisher. My bet is people wouldve put Paul Millsap high into the lottery if they had a redo. Thats what you are getting with Swanigan--vastly under rated. Issac--I have top 11 I think its fair he probably goes higher but his production is below the other big--its all supply demand. I dropped Monk and Fox below Bowman as I believe Bowman is simply more well rounded and efficient. Fox is quick as a snake for 6-3 but he has severe shooting problems--hes better than E Payton but just how much can you do if you cant shoot--you have to red flag him a bit like Justice Winslow 2 years ago. I entered Brooks last and no way he goes that high but right now hes the best shooting guard in the draft. He is hitting 3s from NBA depth and does it with ease. You could find a guy like Hart Kennard or Jok who could easily end up being better among other names but I like something about Brooks--hes a winner. I like Bowman Swanigan and Brooks and if I could turn my high draft pick if its not top 3 into those 3--Im good.

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:#1 Lonzo Ball PG UCLA

#2 Josh Jackson Sf Kansas

#3 Markelle Fultz PG UCLA

#4 John Collins PF WF

#5 Jason Tatum SF Duke

#6 Dennis Smith PG NCST

#7 Caleb Swanigan PF Purdue

#8 Ky Bowman PG Boston College

#9 Malik Monk G Kentucky

#10 Dearon Fox PG Kentucky

#11 Lauri Markkanen F 7-0 230

#12 Jonathon Issac F F State

#13 Justin Patton C 7-0 230

#14 Dillon Brooks SG Oregon

It is a bit of a stretch to have Swaningan, Bowman, and Brooks in the lottery don't you think?
I doubt Collin's goes that high or that teams would pick him over Markanen
-There is no chance Jonathan Issac goes below top ten. 6-10 freakish athlete who can handle the ball, defend multiple positions, and score when called upon. Imagine him in a small ball line up with KP.

Your top 3 is on point though I don't understand how so many people have Markelle going first when Ball and Jackson are better prospects imo.

Ive had Collins at 4 for 2 weeks now. I think hes played his way into the top 10 and #1 big. Hes got a nice mid range shot hes bouncy so he can help both ends he rebounds hes a good finisher. My bet is people wouldve put Paul Millsap high into the lottery if they had a redo. Thats what you are getting with Swanigan--vastly under rated. Issac--I have top 11 I think its fair he probably goes higher but his production is below the other big--its all supply demand. I dropped Monk and Fox below Bowman as I believe Bowman is simply more well rounded and efficient. Fox is quick as a snake for 6-3 but he has severe shooting problems--hes better than E Payton but just how much can you do if you cant shoot--you have to red flag him a bit like Justice Winslow 2 years ago. I entered Brooks last and no way he goes that high but right now hes the best shooting guard in the draft. He is hitting 3s from NBA depth and does it with ease. You could find a guy like Hart or Jok who could easily end up being better among other names but I like something about Brooks--hes a winner. I like Bowman Swanigan and Brooks and if I could turn my high draft pick if its not top 3 into those 3--Im good.

I agree with your points on Collins, but to what extent does he do all those things to warrant a place over Markkenan who rebound and finish at almost the same level and has infinite range, great passing ability, and a little bit of a handle? Is he even better than Pattton? He is a lottery player for sure but not that high to be a top 5 pick.

I've changed my mind about Swaningan. He is underrated and has made tremendous improvement in game from freshman year. Losing more than 30 pounds for the next season is fantastic and says a lot about his motivation, but him going top ten is still a bit of a reach for me, especially over Monk and Fox.

How wouldn't Isaac's production be low when his team uses him 21% of the time. He is the fourth option of the team given FSU's plethora of scorers. Even at that, his lack of production dosen't negate his unique and tremendous potential in the NBA

My personal strategy here is to pick up players not based on what we have but rather to conform to a new model of players who have more physical bodies who have multi court skills(no Joakim Noah types) with 3 point ability. What I want out of the PG position is speed smarts shooting and efficiency. I also want character and attitude.

PG--KY Bowman--hes under rated right now but he looks like a more physical Tony Parker with a great 3 point shot.

SG Dillon Brooks--Love his attitude--his size 6-6 225 his toughness his range hes a big winner and he wont command a high pick

PF Caleb Swanigan--again value pick -he wont command a high pick but he reminds me a lot of Paul Millsap and would give us a trio of young bigs that would stabilize this franchise for 10 years

F Semi Ojeleye Nigel Hayes TJ Williams Zeek Woodley undrafted etc.. Bigger more physical athletes with multi skills

callmened wrote:Ky Bowman played great last night. i'm sure he will be able to find some way onto an NBA roster.

my only point (no pun intended) is that the knicks have the chance to get a HIGH lottery pick - if they tank properly. they should use it onone of those CANT MISS ELITE Prospects

I cant see why someone would take Dearon Fox over Bowman. Fox will get exposed in the NBA with his shot. Hell be shooting B Jennings stats quickly. I just want good players who can SHOOT. SHOOTING is the name of the game in the NBA. You need players who can shoot it. Thats elite in the nBA.

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We are 2 wins ahead of the Sixers, and 1 win ahead of the Mavs- we have to lose these games, it will get us up to 6th place. Also ahead of us are the Mavs (hopefully they win some games now they have Noel), and the Twolves. I think the best we can end the season on is 4th, and there is a big difference in odds between 4th and 5th. There's no way we catch up with the Nets, Suns or Lakers though.