StarksEwing1 wrote:We should have at least gotten a future 1st in this deal. Lopez has 3 years left on a great contract. Grant is a first round pick who has 3 years on a rookie contract.

Yeah, seems like the 2nd rounder was a sweetheart move for the Bulls.

CashMoney wrote:Why the negativity? This is a great trade!!! We gave up Jose Calderon! We gave up Grant who at best is going to be a career backup! I was never a fan of the Robin Lopez contract and what he did for us last year is as good as it's going to get!

Rose is a FA next year so he's going to play and he did play 66 games last year which is only 8 games less than Melo played last year. If it works out great but if it doesn't we're no worse off. Lopez is easily replaceable and if things do work out and we somehow make the playoffs we may wind up netting Westbrook next year.

Listening to the radio on the way home from work you'd think we traded Porzingis! Someone tweeted we just broke up out BIG 3! LOL

Did someone say great trade ....
PG Rose (NO-DEFENSE!)individual-offensive-player
SG Affalo (NO-DEFENSE)individual-offensive-player
SF Melo (NO-DEFENSE) individual-offensive-player

H1AND1 wrote:Horrible move. Rose is finished. Lopez was a legit building block on a reasonable deal. If anything we should've gotten a 1st rounder back for taking on Rose's contract. Horrendous. Same of shyte for the Knicks.

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

franco12 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Fucking terrible trade. How do you give up a good center on a GREAT contract and a decent young PG on his rookie deal for Rose? A guy who hasn't made a single positive contribution on the court since 2011?!?! If we were that desperate for cap space next summer we couldn't have found some team to trade Lopez to where'd we get actual assets back? Or, why didn't we just not sign him last year? What the **** are we doing? Is there any semblance of a plan?

had to stop reading this thread with your post - I agree 100000000%

Trading Rolo = a complete 360 on what we've worked on for the last 2 years. What guarantee do we have that Phil is going to get it right now?

I'm not sure I understand your thought process. The point is to make moves when you have something of value. RoLo played very well and so we used him to get Rose on a one year deal. Not only did we improve the balance of the team but there's no real long term risk involved. This move for Rose could also lead to signing another top FA this summer and putting together a really good team. Remember we still have the ability to make a big play in FA. This is just the beginning of the process!!!

I'm willing to bet we could have traded Rolo to Boston for a number 1 pick and nothing more. And kept Grant and gotten similar production from him that we'll get from Rose - and I'm factoring in we may only get 40 games if we're lucky from Rose, and Grant could likely go 70+.

Im willing to bet the same .. This trade is so lopsided its as if we OWED a deep debt to the Bulls ..
Butler n Noah leadership could take Grant Rolo n Calderon to the ECF next season just off of Thibs old defense.

BRIGGS wrote:Shaun Livingston was all b ut done as well. Looks pretty good now.
They key with Rose--keep him under 30 minutes and play him 70-75 games--thats it.

We only have like 6 guys on the roster so were going top need to fill it out. If we want max cap space we need to sign a lot of 1 year deals and or longer term UDFA that stay under 1mm.

Its a calculated risk and your hedge is a total roster overhaul next year. I cant really react to much as this is clearly the start of a busy offseason. Really this comes down to who's next?

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Shaun Livingston was all b ut done as well. Looks pretty good now.
They key with Rose--keep him under 30 minutes and play him 70-75 games--thats it.

We only have like 6 guys on the roster so were going top need to fill it out. If we want max cap space we need to sign a lot of 1 year deals and or longer term UDFA that stay under 1mm.

and honestly Livington's injury was far worse.... the one thing about this is Rose's age. 27 is young.

Its a calculated risk and your hedge is a total roster overhaul next year. I cant really react to much as this is clearly the start of a busy offseason. Really this comes down to who's next?

Now I may say forget free agency this year except 1 year deals and work hard to get a SG a C and two role players out of this draft and UDFA whether college or foreign

Right now Im Malcolm Brogdon and either Damian Jones or AJ Kammons if we can get two picks in rd 2. DEnzel Valentine would be nice next to Rose but he wont drop that far.

H1AND1 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Horrible move. Rose is finished. Lopez was a legit building block on a reasonable deal. If anything we should've gotten a 1st rounder back for taking on Rose's contract. Horrendous. Same of shyte for the Knicks.

i dont think he is finished BUT he isnt close to what he was and he is so damn injury prone. And no matter what some say we gave up some good chips and our return isnt great

And I didn't even mention that we gave up on Grant. Smfh. Horrible horrible deal.

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yellowboy90 wrote:I just saw the news. Are people really defending this trade? Are people really defending Phil? Phil just continue to make dumb mistake after dumb mistake. This is the same old knick, no culture change at all. Phil gave up Lopez for a player who has a name and no game. They traded for a bum. This is said day yo.

This is actually good news! It shows that Phil is actually working with his Head Coach in trying to put a team together that he can EXCEL with. You have to understand the signals this is sending about how Phil is approaching this team for the present and future. He sold RoLo HIGH, and got a PG for his coach with no long term detriment to the team. If Rose doesn't work out the team has MASSIVE cap space next summer. For now this might help to attract FA's and we still have our cap space to sign top FA's. It at least shows that the Knicks are going to be aggressive in trying to improve the team.

This made me laugh out loud. You are not serious? I think you are smarter than this. This is a bad move. He sold Lopez low when he had vlue. He brought back the worst starting PG in the NBA. Maybe the worst PG in the nba. The knicks could have gotten way more for Lopez and Grant if all they wanted was cap space.

I am not a man who uses cuss words but this had me thinking of some and then asking for forgiveness. I don't take sports too serious but this has really gotten to me. This is worse than the Bargnani trade!

Kemet wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Let me remind everyone that Grant was a late 1st round pick. You'd think he was a lottery pick with the way everyone is crying about losing him. What PG picked post-lottery became a significant player other than Rondo who was the ultimate diamond in the rough?

To many to count (Boston Isiaah Thomas) Grant season performance put him in the top 10 rookies in the 2015 draft class

Grant is Isiah Thomas? Isiah 2.0 & Rondo who else?