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newyorker4ever
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4/21/2016  11:30 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Nice gesture from Jackson.
I also love that players who will likely be here next season in Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, RoLo all came to this mini-camp and got a better idea of what they need to be doing in the offense. They'll have a clear objective now in the offseason as to what to work on.

Some things for me that stood out in the season for some of the "key" players for next season.

RoLo - Hold the ball less in the post, make the decision quicker to make a move. Either make the move in the post, or pass the ball.
Porzingis - Establish better habits in moving off the ball, especially coming into the post. He often gets caught just staying out on the 3 point line, but he started doing better once Rambis took over
Grant - Holds on the ball too long. A little better in the 2nd half of the season but still not impressed with his basketball IQ for a point guard. Has to get the ball out of his hands early, or we should consider utilizing him as a 2, with someone else bringing the ball up. Liked his play after the all-star break. Looked like a starting caliber player or a good backup. Can this continue for an entire season?

You should text this stuff to Phil.

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4/21/2016  11:31 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Nice gesture from Jackson.
I also love that players who will likely be here next season in Porzingis, Grant, Galloway, RoLo all came to this mini-camp and got a better idea of what they need to be doing in the offense. They'll have a clear objective now in the offseason as to what to work on.

Some things for me that stood out in the season for some of the "key" players for next season.

RoLo - Hold the ball less in the post, make the decision quicker to make a move. Either make the move in the post, or pass the ball.
Porzingis - Establish better habits in moving off the ball, especially coming into the post. He often gets caught just staying out on the 3 point line, but he started doing better once Rambis took over
Grant - Holds on the ball too long. A little better in the 2nd half of the season but still not impressed with his basketball IQ for a point guard. Has to get the ball out of his hands early, or we should consider utilizing him as a 2, with someone else bringing the ball up. Liked his play after the all-star break. Looked like a starting caliber player or a good backup. Can this continue for an entire season?

You should text this stuff to Phil.

LOL! It's great observation but I'm pretty sure Phil already knows all the things his players are doing wrong. I suspect we'll see improved execution and speed from this team next year.

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4/21/2016  11:47 AM
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crzymdups wrote:Thibs hired by Minnesota while Phil drills the Triangle. Bet the NY Media will have something to say about that.

That's to be expected. Of course what Minny does has no bearing on the future success of the Knicks. Good for Minny, but they have their own process and we have our own process going on. Because of Thibs the media will likely conflate the 2 situations but we have our own path well under way already. Thibs being off the market actually helps remove the calls for bringing him in, which were endless.

Maybe he'll have more success with the Triangle in Minnesota than Rambis did.

With a team full of very talented players and one in KAT that look to eventually be one of the best players in the entire NBA and the best center in the NBA he better have more success then the team of clowns Rambis had to deal with....lol

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4/21/2016  11:54 AM
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fwk00 wrote:Aside from the Steve Mills connection, I can't think of a duller coaching choice than Blatt. When JR and Shump went to Clevelend, neither showed marked improvement and LeBron obviously had little tolerance for the guy. Hard to imagine Melo taking a shine to the guy.

LOL double post, one hour delayed.

When JR and Shump were in NY, neither showed marked improvement, that's my take.

Not only did Shump not show improvement he actually showed decline and JR.......well he's JR, enuff said.

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4/21/2016  11:55 AM
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Nalod wrote:So the Daily news panders to the lowest common denominator and ChuckBuck wonders What would guys do that don't even have HALF the rings Phil has.

I can assume that the Miami Herald and what ever San Antonio reads won't have it as back story. One reason why I like what phil is doing and sticking by his guns is that the knicks are trying to take the path less traveled. Those who have taken it as religion have reached glory. He is trying to teach it. Fish as much as he played in it could not teach it. Rambis might be the guy.

None of this past stuff matters but if you bring out "rambis is not a good coach", well as a head coach that is true. His other credentials are solid as any young top assistant in the NBA. Phil is a teacher, and if some of you would read his books you'll better understand that when the triangle works best is when the team itself sees it, feels it and adjusts in game. He would call time out and the players in many situations coach themselves. Thats buy in. Phil was not a yeller and a screamer, he was chill because most of the coaching is done in practice. Players need to instinctively get it. Losing is also part of the teaching. You can feel when its not working and when it is.

So instead of reacting to media pandering pick up a book and understand it. As long as the knicks are trying to take this path I am rooting for it and part of it is not being "hindsight Harry", you "That Guy"...................

Knicks are attempting to show unity towards working the off season and melo if he is to recruit must demonstrate he wants to be here. This mini camp is a good thing. Team is not in the playoffs, so why the hell not!

There's a saying that goes "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at". Could be Ella Fitzgerald or Rakim, depends on who you ask. You keep mentioning 11 rings, read the book, teacher, triangle philosophies, Zen, yada yada.

How many rings has Phil Jackson won this decade? By my count Pat the Rat and Coach Pop have more this decade than your idol. Do we have Phil Jackson the coach or do we have Phil Jackson the failed experiment of an executive at the helm of the New York Knicks?

Perspective, man. Phil hasn't done shyt since he left Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher-man back in LA-LA land. Past is the past, he's simply cashing Cablevision checks at this point, maybe keeping tabs on and refreshing Jim Buss LinkedIn status a few times a day.

You're right that Phil hasn't done shyt since he left Kobe but he hasn't tried to do shyt since that time because he wasn't even in the damn game....hahaha Geesh.


+1...classic ChuckBuck of the post YouTubeMelo era...
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4/21/2016  12:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2016  12:07 PM
So if we get Blatt then we lose whatever Phil was adding to the team during the practices cause i can't see Blatt wanting Phil doing any teaching during his practice time and with Rambis we keep what Phil brings at the practices, so does anyone see what Phil's voice and presence brings to the team during practice time as being a valuable thing or is it not enough to really matter and would just rather have Blatt doing his thing? This is of course if Rambis and Blatt are the only options as of now.


I'd also like to ask a question about Rambis to the fans on here. If Rambis never had his coaching stint with Minnesota would you guys think differently of him being a candidate for our head coaching position cause he's been a member of so many great teams as a assistant?? It seems to me like the people that don't want Rambis usually go to talking about how bad he did in Minnesota. Just a question.

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4/21/2016  12:27 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:So if we get Blatt then we lose whatever Phil was adding to the team during the practices cause i can't see Blatt wanting Phil doing any teaching during his practice time and with Rambis we keep what Phil brings at the practices, so does anyone see what Phil's voice and presence brings to the team during practice time as being a valuable thing or is it not enough to really matter and would just rather have Blatt doing his thing? This is of course if Rambis and Blatt are the only options as of now.


I'd also like to ask a question about Rambis to the fans on here. If Rambis never had his coaching stint with Minnesota would you guys think differently of him being a candidate for our head coaching position cause he's been a member of so many great teams as a assistant?? It seems to me like the people that don't want Rambis usually go to talking about how bad he did in Minnesota. Just a question.

I think that's a bad assumption. If Phil hires Blatt I think the assumption should be that both of those guys will do everything and anything to help each other.

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4/21/2016  12:39 PM
martin wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So if we get Blatt then we lose whatever Phil was adding to the team during the practices cause i can't see Blatt wanting Phil doing any teaching during his practice time and with Rambis we keep what Phil brings at the practices, so does anyone see what Phil's voice and presence brings to the team during practice time as being a valuable thing or is it not enough to really matter and would just rather have Blatt doing his thing? This is of course if Rambis and Blatt are the only options as of now.


I'd also like to ask a question about Rambis to the fans on here. If Rambis never had his coaching stint with Minnesota would you guys think differently of him being a candidate for our head coaching position cause he's been a member of so many great teams as a assistant?? It seems to me like the people that don't want Rambis usually go to talking about how bad he did in Minnesota. Just a question.

I think that's a bad assumption. If Phil hires Blatt I think the assumption should be that both of those guys will do everything and anything to help each other.

I agree. Besides the idea isn't for Phil to forever have to be there to aid in the coaching process. He wants someone to take over. He only wanted to mentor and develop Fish. He's not going to want to micro manage the coach. People have to understand just how much time and work a coach has to do and being at practices, shootarounds, on the road etc. With Phil we're only talking about a few appearances at practice a year and in time Blatt wouldn't need that help. Remember Phil does eventually want to be able to leave with the franchise in great shape. He's not some young guy looking to be here for 20 years.

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4/21/2016  2:33 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:So if we get Blatt then we lose whatever Phil was adding to the team during the practices cause i can't see Blatt wanting Phil doing any teaching during his practice time and with Rambis we keep what Phil brings at the practices, so does anyone see what Phil's voice and presence brings to the team during practice time as being a valuable thing or is it not enough to really matter and would just rather have Blatt doing his thing? This is of course if Rambis and Blatt are the only options as of now.


I'd also like to ask a question about Rambis to the fans on here. If Rambis never had his coaching stint with Minnesota would you guys think differently of him being a candidate for our head coaching position cause he's been a member of so many great teams as a assistant?? It seems to me like the people that don't want Rambis usually go to talking about how bad he did in Minnesota. Just a question.

I think that's a bad assumption. If Phil hires Blatt I think the assumption should be that both of those guys will do everything and anything to help each other.

If this was to be true then i'd be all for Blatt, at least more than i am now anyway. I think having Phil's voice and presence at the practices is very much helpful to the players.

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4/21/2016  3:11 PM
If IM BLatt I'd be like:

"I get 5mil a year, and the Lord of the Rings will mentor me?", and if it don't work, Phil is gone, IM buds with the new President and get to blame the triangle and get a new contract!
An even "better Blatt"!!!!

That is a great gig!!! Blatt must be very receptive!!

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4/21/2016  3:20 PM
For Blatt he should be dying to coach in NY. It's a great city for an international man like he is. Having a young man like KP and soon adding Willy will be right up his alley since he's been in Europe. I'd be very excited to see Blatt handle the young players on the team. I think he could be a very good long term coach. It could be a very interesting thing to see how it works if Blatt came on board. We've never seen Phil with anyone not from his world, so this would be a very new experience.
Phil running secret Triangle mini-camp right now with some players and Rambis

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