newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.

I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.

One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?

What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.

Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.

By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.

Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.

Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.

Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.

Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?

gunsnewing wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.

I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...

Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the mess

I donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?

Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well lately

Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?

Not so much in this thread. It's something that carried over from another arguement a few days ago that Melo's is not doing anything different and the only difference is his teammates are better. Don't even remember which thread but It's there if you want to find it. page 2 maybe

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.

I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...

Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the mess

I donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?

Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well lately

Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?

Not so much in this thread. It's something that carried over from another arguement a few days ago that Melo's is not doing anything different and the only difference is his teammates are better. Don't even remember which thread but It's there if you want to find it. page 2 maybe

I have heard this claim but only as an accusation. Did someone actually say that Melo hasn't changed?

I will find it when I get a chance. It's not really relevant to this thread though. I only brought it up after the usual suspects started slinging mud and baiting. I tried to use that example to defend the people who's name was dragged into this just because one person said this is KP's team and he would trade Melo even after his awakening

gunsnewing wrote:Crush let me try to refresh your memory anyway. I forgot which thread it was and what we were talking but Knixkix made that claim and you and others chimed in and go-signed it

gunsnewing wrote:So Teamball it was that coupled with the baiting and cheap shots that Newyorknewyork made reference to that started this whole thing. I won't name names but I already named one Jrodmc and his incoherent/unhinged/unfunny/non-sensical interjections

Anyone else have questions for me?

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:More or less my issue is folks absolving Melo of any blame. That is the root of the problem. And instead of acknowledging that Melo is playing the right way now a shortlist of posters have been slinging mud at the so call "melohaters" eventhough Melo is finally playing the way the fans were pleading for him to play. Teamball & defense.

I posted this in Knick1969's thread but it fits in this thread as well. Especially in the context of the thread's Title...

Ian Begley-ESPN
"He was just frustrated," a league source with knowledge of the incident said.
Stoudemire's frustration may have stemmed from his shot attempts -- nine -- in Monday's game, according to the source. He scored 18 points and had seven rebounds------
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7875526/2012-nba-playoffs-amare-stoudemire-new-york-knicks-injures-hand-loss
This is why MDA was fired/"Resigned" and ISO Woodson took over to appease Melo which he did but it alienated the rest of the team and there was extreme tension between Woodson/Melo & the rest of the team the entire time they were here until Phil cleaned up the mess

I donnu guns, I don't see that but I also have not read all the posts. I just don't see anyone absolving Melo entirely, maybe there is some reasoning of why they didn't think the was the utter crux of the problem but that not absolving anyone. Maybe just readying too much into it?

Guns is pretty accurate in what he is saying. However i dont want to dwell on that anymore. I just want to talk knicks now. Team is playing well lately

Can you point out an example of someone here absolving Melo of any blame?

it doesnt matter anymore i just want to talk strictly hoops now.

Then why post that in the first place?

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.

I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.

One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?

What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.

Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.

By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.

Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.

Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.

Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.

Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?

So let me ask, would you trade Melo for cap space and future picks and give KP the keys right now if you could?

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Where to begin in this thread.

I mean the OP is not really debatable. Melo's presence eases KPs development. KP has performed at a high level earlier then anyone has expected. The development process of KP can't really be argued at the moment for the 2 time ROM and top 2 candidate for ROY. The results speak for themselves for the current formula we are using for his development.

One of the things that the Anti-Melo crowed never seem to accept though is that while they are quick to highlight Melo's influence on teammates and org due to selfishness and lack of leadership etc... They never seemed to accept things that may influence Melo though. Why is the human element only acceptable for Melo's surroundings but never for Melo?

What Phil Jackson has done (which Fish touched on in that Phil thread). Not many people saw coming. For the Anti-Melo crowed it wasn't even a possibility that something like this could happen. All Phil did was change the character around Melo. For the first time Knicks were actually able to build around Melo rather then going through constant transitions of "clumsy" roster assembly. So he resigned Melo, built the team around Melo and the triangle while adding in a high level talent like KP. Now we see a more cohesive unit that competes every night and Melo has completely bought in.

Some of you saying this is what you guys wanted all along is all good and all. But at the same time never accepted the possibility that it would happen. Because anything other then the viewpoint of Melo being a cancerous ball jock (Who got rid of Tyson and Lin, hates rookies and the KP draft pick, demands to win now, will sabotage and hold the team hostage in order to force Phil to make win now moves) wouldn't be accepted. Yet as the dust settles Phil moves have all pointed to cleaning up the character AROUND Melo.

By changing the character around Melo, Phil has now influenced Melo to be that team player and leader which now has trickled down to Melo making his teammates better on the court and playing as a cohesive unit which has resulted in more wins.

Phil was playing chess while we were all playing checkers. Witnessing Phil coming in gauging the team during Woodson's last yr. Then going all in one direction in deciding to change the character around Melo in order to mold Melo should in reality to those without agenda. Open up a whole new perspective on Carmelo Anthony.

Going forward though the agenda now seems to be propping up KP and making him the immediate franchise player in order to avoid accepting any type of critic over not being able to foresee Carmelo buying in and elevating his game. But to be fair there is a lot of baiting going on.

Who said its KP's team? That was one person. Everyone else got lumped in and my name was included for some reason. But when you check my posts from December I've had nothing but positive things to say about Melo's awakening.

Are things getting clearer now for those who are wondering why this thread took a turn for the worse beside the bait in the title?

So let me ask, would you trade Melo for cap space and future picks and give KP the keys right now if you could?

Already answered on the previous page.

No.