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Harvey Araton: If You Read Phil Jackson’s Mind, Carmelo Anthony Is in Small Type
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7/16/2015  9:36 PM
I was saying that to Bonn..
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7/16/2015  10:04 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.

Dude seriously? Pippen averaged 16-5-6 over 16+ seasons while also playing DPOY level defense and leading the league in steals and/or averaging 2+ steals a game most seasons. He was a SUPERSTAR except he was overshadowed by the GOAT so nobody gives proper credit. The year Jordan "retired" he played off the charts insane.

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7/17/2015  6:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2015  6:56 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.

Dude seriously? Pippen averaged 16-5-6 over 16+ seasons while also playing DPOY level defense and leading the league in steals and/or averaging 2+ steals a game most seasons. He was a SUPERSTAR except he was overshadowed by the GOAT so nobody gives proper credit. The year Jordan "retired" he played off the charts insane.


+1
And he played until he was almost 40, which brought down his career stats. In his Chicago prime (1991-1998), he averaged 20 PPG, 7 RBS, 6 Assists, 2.3 stls, 1 blk with a .185 WS48. Those are legit Hall of Fame #s. There have been very few players who can put up #s that high in *all* of those categories. If he did that as a Knick, people would be calling him a top 25 all time player.
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7/17/2015  8:46 AM
holfresh wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
holfresh wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:Harvey Araton has been coming at Melo for a long time now..Why is this article getting people excited?

we can't just discredit each guy who comes after Melo. Perhaps there is some truth to some of it?

Exactly, he is "coming at Melo" because Melo provides ample fodder for writers, fans, whomever to come at him with. Carmelo seems to constantly say and do the wrong things at the wrong time all while not seemingly understanding that taking the money in NY was he himself setting his own destiny in stone.

All Star weekend, Melo hosted a luncheon for all time NBA greats from NY..Harvey wrote an article bashing Melo saying that in the presence of such greatness Melo belongs on the bench..Care to explain the fodder provided??..U can look up the article..

This is quite possibly the strangest non argument I have ever read.

I'll make a note of that when I start taking your commentaries seriously..

Ok thanks. It will be the most special day of my life for sure.

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7/17/2015  9:12 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.

Do you realize how old Pippen was when he went to Houston and Portland?

This is hilarious lol

Pollen was in his late 30s when he left Chicago

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7/17/2015  9:18 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Papabear wrote:
mreinman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/16/sports/basketball/if-you-read-phil-jacksons-mind-carmelo-anthony-is-in-small-type.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

By admittedly not consulting or even speaking with Carmelo Anthony during a rash of recent free-agent signings for the Knicks, what, exactly, was Phil Jackson trying to tell him?

Perhaps nothing, but given Jackson’s historically – shall we say – eccentric communications skills, more likely something.

Let’s make an educated guess:

With all due respect, Carmelo, it’s not all about you anymore. That was last summer, when you had the leverage, the freedom to hand-pick a competitive environment more to your liking. But you chose the extra money and the New York stage on which to build your personal brand. You signed on for a team rebuild, which came with no discernible or guaranteed timetable.

If you thought I was promising Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge or even Greg Monroe, you were mistaken, or deluded. If that wasn’t clear when you re-signed, it should have been by February, when the season had turned into a Zen catastrophe and I told the New York Times that “my experiment has fallen flat on its face.”

As team president, I am responsible but, face it, you weren’t quite an early most valuable player candidate, and then you were hurt and obsessed with the All-Star Game and now you’re the 31-year-old, surgically repaired leader of a 17-win team.

Not that I’m counting, but you also have been beyond the first round of the playoffs twice in 12 years. Your peers have noticed.

It’s like I told the beat guys out here in Vegas the other night: “There’s some longshots out there that we took. But the reality was we wanted what we got.”

Notice the well-parsed phrasing, how I didn’t say we got what we wanted when referring to Robin Lopez, your buddy Arron Afflalo and a few guys I’d actually never heard of until we resorted to Plan C, or D.

Nor were you thrilled, I understand, with the draft, wishing that we had traded down for another veteran player and had the last laugh – like Pat Riley in Miami – when an authentic American graduate of March Madness like Justise Winslow slipped all the way to No. 10.

Have you been watching summer league on television? Winslow is not going to soon be Jimmy Butler. D’Angelo Russell can’t dribble three feet without throwing the ball to a stranger. (LOL, Kobe.) These kids all look like the teenage novices they are.

If that is too late for your plan of winning a Knicks championship in your prime, my suggestion is that you embrace the reality that you not only signed up for, but helped to create.


That’s right, this franchise stripped itself of assets to acquire you back in 2011, when you made it clear to Mr. Dolan that you were going to get paid before the coming lockout and would do so in New Jersey and Brooklyn if need be. Poor Donnie Walsh was ordered to surrender everything to Denver except Walt Frazier’s wardrobe.

You could have waited to sign as a free agent for the sake of the franchise’s well-being – and yours by extension. We all want to earn but you did set the consequences in motion and, again, had a chance to escape them last summer. You didn’t. You stayed. Now deal with your decision, grow as a player and as a leader.

That’s the best way to begin recalibrating your enigmatic standing, the most positive advance you can make toward the rest of a career still rich in opportunity. Stop making it all about championship odds that would not be favorable unless you joined a small handful of teams, almost all of whom don’t need or want you.

Remember Scottie Pippen? His reputation in this sport grew exponentially in 1993-94, when Michael went on hiatus from the Bulls and Scottie led us to 55 wins and a near upset of the Patrick Ewing Knicks in the second round. For the record, that was also a supreme triumph of the triangle.

The beat guys have been pushing me for a 2015-16 prognostication, but, no thanks, I already made the mistake of flatly forecasting the playoffs last season. I only said that an improvement of 30 wins would be daunting. But imagine, Carmelo, if you set an example, lifted all those around you, carried our improved, though hardly formidable, cast to the seventh or eighth playoff spot in a conference that remains fluid at the lower end.

Think of how much more desirable we could be to next summer’s free agents, or you would be if we mutually decided the best thing was a trade.

In the meantime, I will continue to eschew the kind of tough talk demonstrated in Indianapolis by Larry Bird, when asked about Paul George’s reluctance on playing power forward.

“He don’t make the decisions around here,” Bird said.

Such a hayseed, that Larry. Let’s join hands, work together. Call your new teammates. Take the young Latvian under your wing, out to dinner. Make sure he orders dessert.

Flip the popular news media spin of how the Knicks have failed you by not delivering a companion star. As a student of history, let me paraphrase John F. Kennedy: ask not what your franchise can do for you; ask what you can do for your franchise.


Papabear Says

Man why don't you give it up! This **** ain't about Anthony. I don't know why you guys see it that way. This mess is about Phil Jackson and his inability to sign stars. It's not about Anthony. Hell he is sipping wine with LeBron and the boys. The game is about the players and the star players. Now in New York its about Phil Jackson and it will be all about Phil and that damn triangle. When Phil played the Triangle he had 3 stars the Knicks only have one. The word that some of the player was that during interviews Phil was arrogant and making it about him and its not about Phil.
I believe that Phil Jackson have no idea about being a GM


And who were the 3 stars in Chicago cause i can only count one and some good players that played with him?? Obviously you're gonna say S.Pippen but he wasn't a star he just looked really good playing with Jordan but i have no idea who you'll say was the 3rd cause there definitely wasn't a 3rd one there.

GTFO Pippen wasnt a star lol. All 30 owners would take a young Scottie Pippen over Melo without hesitation.


Yeah he was great when he didn't have Jordan in Portland wasn't he?? Hahahahah He was a good player but not a star. So you can now GTFO.

Do you realize how old Pippen was when he went to Houston and Portland?

This is hilarious lol

Pollen was in his late 30s when he left Chicago

Dam Pollen. You muthaducker!

I wonder how old Pippen was though...

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7/17/2015  9:39 AM
fishmike wrote:lol at this witchhunt. This is well written article with the same substance that Berman, Isola and Stephen A put out there. At least this guy is upfront about that. People seemed to gloss over that.

When did a rich jock become so important?

People really hate this player for interesting reasons. My favorite part of this latest surge of Melo-drama is I have never seen so many articles written about a player's feelings.

Lets talk about some of the recent groundbreaking stories..

I mean if someone posts a picture of Melo pouting its in the tabloids the next day with "MElo hate's Phil's moves" written under it.

If Melo didn't tweet "this is the best thing that's ever happened to the Knicks" its obvious he's being passive aggressive about the draft.

If Melo is bummed a guy he played with for 2 years is off the team its obvious that he feels lied too by Phil.

If Melo tweets "we got a steal" about the draft pick its obviously damage control over his brand because he did it a day late.

If Melo spoke w/ KP directly to tell him the stuff he's reading is bull****, and welcome to the Knicks it means... Im at a loss here but it sure made KP's big brother happy. Surely there is a good selfserving MElo first reason for doing that right? Chuck? Guns? Help me out here...

Whatever... enjoy the ride. This is not defense of Melo. This is me honestly puzzled by this bizarre phenomenon. Easy to dislike guys.. look at all the ARod venom. Whats interesting is the Melo hate isn't wide spread. He had no problem hobbling his way to an all star start. Players around the league like him. Yes he's not Lebron or that type of alpha leader, but he IS liked. What is interesting is the fans and media who don't like him utterly despise him. Like Rush hates Barak despise. Like Sunnis hate Shiites despise.

When did Melo say this is his team? Fact extrapolated from forcing Dolan to trade and pay him twice right?

Melo is a philanthropist and his charities are ranked among the highest because he pays the operating costs out of his pocket, as opposed to using the donation revenue to fund more fun raising as most charities do. But that article is BOOOOO-RING.

Im labeled as the MElo lover and defender here. I once really couldn't stand him. I was vocal about that and the reasons. He got MDA fired and had no excuses. He followed that with player of the month and a playoff berth. Oh... about that.

Before Melo: 9 seasons, 1 playoff berth and it was that 39 win Lenny Wilkins team that got swept by the Nets.
After Melo its 3 straight playoff berths and the first series win 10+ years (but folks want to credit Jason Kidd who scored 2 baskets in the entire playoffs). And lets not forget it was Melo who forced the Knicks to trade every decent role player for Bargs sending out a pick. Has Melo brought the Knicks to the promise land? Pa-lease. Was the team immediately better with his arrival? After 9 years of losing records it certainly was.

I don't really care if people like this guy or not. At the end of the day he's rich jock and how he feels doesn't matter, so long as he's putting the ball in the basket. What I would ask to the stout supporters of this well written essay is what the phuck did Melo do to deserve such honest to goodness hate? I mean disappointment? Sure. Fine. No prob. I'm not enamored with the "Melo era" much either. I don't want his head on a stake, I don't pretend to know his feelings and I find the vocal group who feed into this stuff like its Kardashian fodder to be pretty delusional. The amount of venom simply doesn't match the crimes, which consist of getting paid and not being Lebron James.

This is not basketball.

The tide is turning in the media and with knowledgeable Knick forum fans that know the team in & out. Phil is going to make Melo's life a living hell unless he comforms. It's starting already. Phil keeps talking about playing defense. If Melo does not want to conform he will waive his no trade Claus and get out and dodge. This is if Dolan doesn't fire Larry Brown, I mean Phil Jackson first and replace him with his soulmate Isiah Thomas who is waiting in the wings.

Dolan and Isiah are made for each other. Both guys love taking on marketable fake super stars like Melo & Marbury who are fine as 2nd/3rd best of championships teams and making them supermaxed out franchise players. Phil is going about building a team the right way. Just like Larry Brown intended to do but he is not doing it the Dolan way. That is why Isiah is on deck.

Chew on that for a minute

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7/17/2015  9:53 AM
^^^ I don't think the tide has changed in the media. Araton has been going after Melo for years. Berman and Isola didn't suddenly become good journalists. Instead of being a provocative drama creator Stephen A. Suddenly gets it? Not seeing it and I still think it was a horrible article. At least in the past Aaton usually would interview Karl or bring up past quotes from his Karl interviews.
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TPercy wrote:Early is a good triangle player. It seems like it is only you done no can not see it. I've seen him make some really good passes and finishea.coming off of the handoff. Early is definitely someone we should continue to develop.

Early will be the starting SF before the season ends. Maybe he develops into our very own do it all Pippin/odom lite

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CrushAlot wrote:^^^ I don't think the tide has changed in the media. Araton has been going after Melo for years. Berman and Isola didn't suddenly become good journalists. Instead of being a provocative drama creator Stephen A. Suddenly gets it? Not seeing it and I still think it was a horrible article. At least in the past Aaton usually would interview Karl or bring up past quotes from his Karl interviews.

It has just like it did with Marbury. You don't think Melo's play last year and how he mishanded his injury by wanting to play in the Allstar game for his on brand didn't rub people he wrong way?

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CrushAlot wrote:^^^ I don't think the tide has changed in the media. Araton has been going after Melo for years. Berman and Isola didn't suddenly become good journalists. Instead of being a provocative drama creator Stephen A. Suddenly gets it? Not seeing it and I still think it was a horrible article. At least in the past Aaton usually would interview Karl or bring up past quotes from his Karl interviews.

It has just like it did with Marbury. You don't think Melo's play last year and how he mishanded his injury by wanting to play in the Allstar game for his on brand didn't rub people he wrong way?

That was the worst shyt ever. Everyone knew he should've shut it down instead of play in the All Star Game, but his ego and brand got the best of him.

His All Star performance and appearance was a microcosm of what Melo represents on and off the court. All about his brand first and inefficient me first play.

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CrushAlot wrote:^^^ I don't think the tide has changed in the media. Araton has been going after Melo for years. Berman and Isola didn't suddenly become good journalists. Instead of being a provocative drama creator Stephen A. Suddenly gets it? Not seeing it and I still think it was a horrible article. At least in the past Aaton usually would interview Karl or bring up past quotes from his Karl interviews.

It has just like it did with Marbury. You don't think Melo's play last year and how he mishanded his injury by wanting to play in the Allstar game for his on brand didn't rub people he wrong way?

Maybe a little but he was told that playing wouldn't make the injury worse. If he comes to camp and he isn't ready I am sure the media will kill him for how he handled it. But if he is ready to play I don't see there being issues. Also, I haven't seen a change in the media guys mentioned above.
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this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing
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anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing
Well that is what was reported.
Anthony has said the team's medical staff believes his injury won't get any worse if he continues to play. But the medical staff also has told Anthony that the condition will not improve if he continues to play.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12113567/carmelo-anthony-shut-season-due-knee-derek-fisher-says
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anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing

Exactly. I tore my Achilles Tendon playing ball back in 2004, didn't get surgery until like a few days later for scheduling reasons or what have you. I could've played ball, not well obviously, but wouldn't make anything worse than it was because the shyt was tore off the calf already LOL.

Just because your "medically cleared" or "won't make things worse" doesn't make it right or absolve him selfish wrongdoing.

Guy's hurt, get it the phuck fixed! Don't play to represent "New York" just because "New York" is the host town, especially when you're 10-43! Shut it the phuck down. Common sense. Just a dumb decision all around.

Of course his play on the court during the ASG was apropo and deserving of guy looking for spotlight and celebrity first, bball second.

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anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing

Exactly. I tore my Achilles Tendon playing ball back in 2004, didn't get surgery until like a few days later for scheduling reasons or what have you. I could've played ball, not well obviously, but wouldn't make anything worse than it was because the shyt was tore off the calf already LOL.

Just because your "medically cleared" or "won't make things worse" doesn't make it right or absolve him selfish wrongdoing.

Guy's hurt, get it the phuck fixed! Don't play to represent "New York" just because "New York" is the host town, especially when you're 10-43! Shut it the phuck down. Common sense. Just a dumb decision all around.

Of course his play on the court during the ASG was apropo and deserving of guy looking for spotlight and celebrity first, bball second.

I don't think he would have been on the court if he tore his Achilles. I don't think it is an issue if he is ready for camp. Fisher and Phil should have forced him to sit if they didn't agree with the medical staffs' diagnosis. I think they wanted him ready for camp this year. If he isn't he should be called out for it.
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ChuckBuck wrote:
anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing

Exactly. I tore my Achilles Tendon playing ball back in 2004, didn't get surgery until like a few days later for scheduling reasons or what have you. I could've played ball, not well obviously, but wouldn't make anything worse than it was because the shyt was tore off the calf already LOL.

Just because your "medically cleared" or "won't make things worse" doesn't make it right or absolve him selfish wrongdoing.

Guy's hurt, get it the phuck fixed! Don't play to represent "New York" just because "New York" is the host town, especially when you're 10-43! Shut it the phuck down. Common sense. Just a dumb decision all around.

Of course his play on the court during the ASG was apropo and deserving of guy looking for spotlight and celebrity first, bball second.

I don't think he would have been on the court if he tore his Achilles. I don't think it is an issue if he is ready for camp. Fisher and Phil should have forced him to sit if they didn't agree with the medical staffs' diagnosis. I think they wanted him ready for camp this year. If he isn't he should be called out for it.

He had season ending surgery right after the ASG, dude. If the ASG wasn't in NY, he probably gets it earlier.

I actually saw Melo outside Mt Sinai on 5th Ave for morning Rehab early this year. Saw the big ole knee brace, he was with a big bodyguard and came out of a black GMC Jimmy truck or something.

Would've said "Hi" or tried to get a selfie, but his face looked like someone that didn't want to get bothered with going into 2 hour physical therapy or whatever.

Was bringing my wife to breathing classes as we were almost at our pregnancy due date. Told her we just passed Melo on the sidewalk. She pushes me and slaps me on shoulder, "Why didn't you tell me?!!? Could've gotten a picture with him and post on Instagram". I told her he didn't look like he was in a good mood, she said "So what! I follow him on twitter and IG, AI YI YI!"

...Exactly.

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CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing

Exactly. I tore my Achilles Tendon playing ball back in 2004, didn't get surgery until like a few days later for scheduling reasons or what have you. I could've played ball, not well obviously, but wouldn't make anything worse than it was because the shyt was tore off the calf already LOL.

Just because your "medically cleared" or "won't make things worse" doesn't make it right or absolve him selfish wrongdoing.

Guy's hurt, get it the phuck fixed! Don't play to represent "New York" just because "New York" is the host town, especially when you're 10-43! Shut it the phuck down. Common sense. Just a dumb decision all around.

Of course his play on the court during the ASG was apropo and deserving of guy looking for spotlight and celebrity first, bball second.

I don't think he would have been on the court if he tore his Achilles. I don't think it is an issue if he is ready for camp. Fisher and Phil should have forced him to sit if they didn't agree with the medical staffs' diagnosis. I think they wanted him ready for camp this year. If he isn't he should be called out for it.

He had season ending surgery right after the ASG, dude. If the ASG wasn't in NY, he probably gets it earlier.

I actually saw Melo outside Mt Sinai on 5th Ave for morning Rehab early this year. Saw the big ole knee brace, he was with a big bodyguard and came out of a black GMC Jimmy truck or something.

Would've said "Hi" or tried to get a selfie, but his face looked like someone that didn't want to get bothered with going into 2 hour physical therapy or whatever.

Was bringing my wife to breathing classes as we were almost at our pregnancy due date. Told her we just passed Melo on the sidewalk. She pushes me and slaps me on shoulder, "Why didn't you tell me?!!? Could've gotten a picture with him and post on Instagram". I told her he didn't look like he was in a good mood, she said "So what! I follow him on twitter and IG, AI YI YI!"

...Exactly.

I don't think it matters if he is ready by training camp. We know the guy hates surgery and will choose rehab if it is an option.
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ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing

Exactly. I tore my Achilles Tendon playing ball back in 2004, didn't get surgery until like a few days later for scheduling reasons or what have you. I could've played ball, not well obviously, but wouldn't make anything worse than it was because the shyt was tore off the calf already LOL.

Just because your "medically cleared" or "won't make things worse" doesn't make it right or absolve him selfish wrongdoing.

Guy's hurt, get it the phuck fixed! Don't play to represent "New York" just because "New York" is the host town, especially when you're 10-43! Shut it the phuck down. Common sense. Just a dumb decision all around.

Of course his play on the court during the ASG was apropo and deserving of guy looking for spotlight and celebrity first, bball second.

I don't think he would have been on the court if he tore his Achilles. I don't think it is an issue if he is ready for camp. Fisher and Phil should have forced him to sit if they didn't agree with the medical staffs' diagnosis. I think they wanted him ready for camp this year. If he isn't he should be called out for it.

He had season ending surgery right after the ASG, dude. If the ASG wasn't in NY, he probably gets it earlier.

I actually saw Melo outside Mt Sinai on 5th Ave for morning Rehab early this year. Saw the big ole knee brace, he was with a big bodyguard and came out of a black GMC Jimmy truck or something.

Would've said "Hi" or tried to get a selfie, but his face looked like someone that didn't want to get bothered with going into 2 hour physical therapy or whatever.

Was bringing my wife to breathing classes as we were almost at our pregnancy due date. Told her we just passed Melo on the sidewalk. She pushes me and slaps me on shoulder, "Why didn't you tell me?!!? Could've gotten a picture with him and post on Instagram". I told her he didn't look like he was in a good mood, she said "So what! I follow him on twitter and IG, AI YI YI!"

...Exactly.

I don't think it matters if he is ready by training camp. We know the guy hates surgery and will choose rehab if it is an option.

I just hope that he's healthy enough to produce and willing to waive the No Trade Clause if it comes to that for February. Can't trade an always hurt player especially at $23-24 million a season.

A new direction is best for both parties, for both him and the Knicks.

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CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
anrst wrote:this idea that an injury caused by playing basketball can't be made worse by playing basketball is the dumbest thing

Exactly. I tore my Achilles Tendon playing ball back in 2004, didn't get surgery until like a few days later for scheduling reasons or what have you. I could've played ball, not well obviously, but wouldn't make anything worse than it was because the shyt was tore off the calf already LOL.

Just because your "medically cleared" or "won't make things worse" doesn't make it right or absolve him selfish wrongdoing.

Guy's hurt, get it the phuck fixed! Don't play to represent "New York" just because "New York" is the host town, especially when you're 10-43! Shut it the phuck down. Common sense. Just a dumb decision all around.

Of course his play on the court during the ASG was apropo and deserving of guy looking for spotlight and celebrity first, bball second.

I don't think he would have been on the court if he tore his Achilles. I don't think it is an issue if he is ready for camp. Fisher and Phil should have forced him to sit if they didn't agree with the medical staffs' diagnosis. I think they wanted him ready for camp this year. If he isn't he should be called out for it.

He had season ending surgery right after the ASG, dude. If the ASG wasn't in NY, he probably gets it earlier.

I actually saw Melo outside Mt Sinai on 5th Ave for morning Rehab early this year. Saw the big ole knee brace, he was with a big bodyguard and came out of a black GMC Jimmy truck or something.

Would've said "Hi" or tried to get a selfie, but his face looked like someone that didn't want to get bothered with going into 2 hour physical therapy or whatever.

Was bringing my wife to breathing classes as we were almost at our pregnancy due date. Told her we just passed Melo on the sidewalk. She pushes me and slaps me on shoulder, "Why didn't you tell me?!!? Could've gotten a picture with him and post on Instagram". I told her he didn't look like he was in a good mood, she said "So what! I follow him on twitter and IG, AI YI YI!"

...Exactly.

I don't think it matters if he is ready by training camp. We know the guy hates surgery and will choose rehab if it is an option.

I just hope that he's healthy enough to produce and willing to waive the No Trade Clause if it comes to that for February. Can't trade an always hurt player especially at $23-24 million a season.

A new direction is best for both parties, for both him and the Knicks.

If it turns out that way I have no issues with him being moved.
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