crzymdups wrote:Also, it amuses me that WCS averaged 8.9ppg 6.4rpg at Kentucky and Briggs say he has no offense. Karl Anthony Towns averaged 10.3ppg 6.7rpg and Briggs has him slated to average 34ppg 15rpg in the NBA. I absolutely agree Towns is an all world prospect... but that just makes me smile.

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't understand why some of you can think so poorly of Stein but turn around and argue why the Knicks MUST select Mudiay or Pojensky whi are all unknown with the lottery pick. We've all watched this kid disrupt opposing teams with his defense; in fact, he is displaying shooting skills that he was not asked to show in Kentucky. He is a pure 7 footer and possess some of the best athleticism that we have not seen in a big man since Olajuwan. I think this kid is more then deserving of the fourth pick, and would welcome him with open arms to play at MSG.

We aren't going to find a more serviceable C for $4mil a year, ever- he really helps free up money to fill out the rest of the roster for years to come. If we don't draft him, likely we're paying out $15mil a year and up for Monroe.

Also, as I have said before, I can't take watching a crap defensive team anymore- it's been embarrassing to watch scrub after scrub after scrub go off on us. WCS is a a nice foundation to putting a stop to that (though it's vital we don't just leave it up to him like we did with Tyson).

However, although he makes sense logically, I do kind of hope we go for Winslow, or Mudiay- they are more exciting prospects.

smackeddog wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't understand why some of you can think so poorly of Stein but turn around and argue why the Knicks MUST select Mudiay or Pojensky whi are all unknown with the lottery pick. We've all watched this kid disrupt opposing teams with his defense; in fact, he is displaying shooting skills that he was not asked to show in Kentucky. He is a pure 7 footer and possess some of the best athleticism that we have not seen in a big man since Olajuwan. I think this kid is more then deserving of the fourth pick, and would welcome him with open arms to play at MSG.

We aren't going to find a more serviceable C for $4mil a year, ever- he really helps free up money to fill out the rest of the roster for years to come. If we don't draft him, likely we're paying out $15mil a year and up for Monroe.

Also, as I have said before, I can't take watching a crap defensive team anymore- it's been embarrassing to watch scrub after scrub after scrub go off on us. WCS is a a nice foundation to putting a stop to that (though it's vital we don't just leave it up to him like we did with Tyson).

However, although he makes sense logically, I do kind of hope we go for Winslow, or Mudiay- they are more exciting prospects.

To me, WCS is the more exciting player at 4; specifically, given that Russell and Towns will not be on the board. His game helps everyone to play at a higher level. He forced the PG to push the ball, because he runs the floor so well and finishes with authority. He helps poor defenders to look somewhat decent, because he is always ready to help. If this kid can actually shoot the ball during the game, watch out. I see this kid as someone that can exceed expectation

Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't understand why some of you can think so poorly of Stein but turn around and argue why the Knicks MUST select Mudiay or Pojensky whi are all unknown with the lottery pick. We've all watched this kid disrupt opposing teams with his defense; in fact, he is displaying shooting skills that he was not asked to show in Kentucky. He is a pure 7 footer and possess some of the best athleticism that we have not seen in a big man since Olajuwan. I think this kid is more then deserving of the fourth pick, and would welcome him with open arms to play at MSG.

We aren't going to find a more serviceable C for $4mil a year, ever- he really helps free up money to fill out the rest of the roster for years to come. If we don't draft him, likely we're paying out $15mil a year and up for Monroe.

Also, as I have said before, I can't take watching a crap defensive team anymore- it's been embarrassing to watch scrub after scrub after scrub go off on us. WCS is a a nice foundation to putting a stop to that (though it's vital we don't just leave it up to him like we did with Tyson).

However, although he makes sense logically, I do kind of hope we go for Winslow, or Mudiay- they are more exciting prospects.

To me, WCS is the more exciting player at 4; specifically, given that Russell and Towns will not be on the board. His game helps everyone to play at a higher level. He forced the PG to push the ball, because he runs the floor so well and finishes with authority. He helps poor defenders to look somewhat decent, because he is always ready to help. If this kid can actually shoot the ball during the game, watch out. I see this kid as someone that can exceed expectation

Exactly. People just assume WCS doesn't have upside and in truth that's not so certain. His strengths on D are enough to warrant a high draft pick, but his increasing offensive ability could be what takes him over the top. The kid finishes over the top of defense at 72%. If he can continue to improve his FT shooting as he has and also add more of his Jump Hook and Mid Range Jumper, that's all he'd need to be an effective 2 way player.

IMO he just has to be aggressive and confident. Don't worry about missing. That's how the Knicks handled their bigs this year. They were given the green light to shoot. Even if you miss it's still the right thing to do when open and in rhythm. WCS also can face up and drive against slower bigs.
WCS also gets steals and he runs like a deer. The entire team should get out and run much more often with him on D creating fast breaks. The Give n Go and PnR should make a strong showing next year if we add WCS. Guards can attack the basket to draw defenders and dump off to Stein for a lot of dunks.

Knicks1969 wrote:I would do Winslow if a team like Charlotte or Orlando would be willing to trade their top pick and a second rounder.

Thats only if WCS and Winslow are considered equal in value, which might be the case for some teams. Unfortunately for us, a defensive center is more of a need than a defensive SG/SF. Also finding a center of this caliber might be difficult, especially with a second pick. We really don't know if a defensive center will be within range of a second pick, IF we can get one. And I know there aren't any defensive bigs in free agency that cost 4 mil a year....not at his caliber. But there are SF's that will be available, and usually they are cheaper than a center. Someone like Crowder for example.

blkexec wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I would do Winslow if a team like Charlotte or Orlando would be willing to trade their top pick and a second rounder.

Thats only if WCS and Winslow are considered equal in value, which might be the case for some teams. Unfortunately for us, a defensive center is more of a need than a defensive SG/SF. Also finding a center of this caliber might be difficult, especially with a second pick. We really don't know if a defensive center will be within range of a second pick, IF we can get one. And I know there aren't any defensive bigs in free agency that cost 4 mil a year....not at his caliber. But there are SF's that will be available, and usually they are cheaper than a center. Someone like Crowder for example.

Agree.

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't understand why some of you can think so poorly of Stein but turn around and argue why the Knicks MUST select Mudiay or Pojensky whi are all unknown with the lottery pick. We've all watched this kid disrupt opposing teams with his defense; in fact, he is displaying shooting skills that he was not asked to show in Kentucky. He is a pure 7 footer and possess some of the best athleticism that we have not seen in a big man since Olajuwan. I think this kid is more then deserving of the fourth pick, and would welcome him with open arms to play at MSG.

We aren't going to find a more serviceable C for $4mil a year, ever- he really helps free up money to fill out the rest of the roster for years to come. If we don't draft him, likely we're paying out $15mil a year and up for Monroe.

Also, as I have said before, I can't take watching a crap defensive team anymore- it's been embarrassing to watch scrub after scrub after scrub go off on us. WCS is a a nice foundation to putting a stop to that (though it's vital we don't just leave it up to him like we did with Tyson).

However, although he makes sense logically, I do kind of hope we go for Winslow, or Mudiay- they are more exciting prospects.

To me, WCS is the more exciting player at 4; specifically, given that Russell and Towns will not be on the board. His game helps everyone to play at a higher level. He forced the PG to push the ball, because he runs the floor so well and finishes with authority. He helps poor defenders to look somewhat decent, because he is always ready to help. If this kid can actually shoot the ball during the game, watch out. I see this kid as someone that can exceed expectation

Exactly. People just assume WCS doesn't have upside and in truth that's not so certain. His strengths on D are enough to warrant a high draft pick, but his increasing offensive ability could be what takes him over the top. The kid finishes over the top of defense at 72%. If he can continue to improve his FT shooting as he has and also add more of his Jump Hook and Mid Range Jumper, that's all he'd need to be an effective 2 way player.

IMO he just has to be aggressive and confident. Don't worry about missing. That's how the Knicks handled their bigs this year. They were given the green light to shoot. Even if you miss it's still the right thing to do when open and in rhythm. WCS also can face up and drive against slower bigs.
WCS also gets steals and he runs like a deer. The entire team should get out and run much more often with him on D creating fast breaks. The Give n Go and PnR should make a strong showing next year if we add WCS. Guards can attack the basket to draw defenders and dump off to Stein for a lot of dunks.

Stein needs a good dose of Olajuwan or Kareem to become a juggernaut on offense. He has excellent foot work and shooting touch, which put him at a much more advanced pace then Howard or other bigs when they entered the league.

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

blkexec wrote:

How many centers in the NBA can put on pads and play wide receiver? I played wide receiver, and you have to have some agility, hands and coordination to run routes, make cuts, and tough enough to get through defensive contact....Then the speed needed for separation. We aren't talking about the TE position.....Thats where Dwight Howard would play. This dude is special. Is he an NBA star? who knows....But he's not the normal NBA center. Agility and coordination is something 7 footers usually lack. If he was 5 inches shorter, he probably would've bulked up and played football. The fact that he already added 22 lbs and increased his vertical to 42 is crazy (assuming thats all true).....Porzingis went back to school to put on muscle and weight....A year later, he's the same weight. How is that even possible, when your goal is the gain weight?

I know we keep highlighting how extraordinary WCS is at 7' to be as agile and quick as he is, not to mention his explosion, but I don't think most are understanding how rare he is. I personally think he's got loads of untapped potential. You can just see it when he moves. It's not that he can't as much as he hasn't learned and developed his offense yet. If he ever gets confident in his offense, look out!!! His 1st step looks almost as quick as Amar'e. He should be able to drive by big slow Centers and score over the top of PF's.

I also thought he played 3 years in college, because he's a junior. But I read somewhere that he was injured most of the season last year, so he really played only 2 full years of college ball. Still has room to grow.

As you guys have made mention, WCS would be Melo's best friend in terms of help D and drawing attention as he roves around the paint area. Someone will always have to be glued to WCS because he's so quick and athletic. He can get to the rim in 2 steps anywhere within 15 feet. The thing I like about WCS in the triangle is the movement off the ball. Players are in motion and not just standing and watching. Anytime you get WCS moving at his size he's gonna draw attention.

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:We definitely could use an athletic 7'er who can rise above the defense and finish at a high %. Dude was 72% at the basket and he was very efficient on the break. When you add all that to his offensive rebounding, steals and great help defense he simply helps the team in more ways than a smaller player would. Even tho he wasn't a big offensive force he was still a top player in all of CBB in terms of his Plus Minus.

As you guys have made mention, WCS would be Melo's best friend in terms of help D and drawing attention as he roves around the paint area. Someone will always have to be glued to WCS because he's so quick and athletic. He can get to the rim in 2 steps anywhere within 15 feet. The thing I like about WCS in the triangle is the movement off the ball. Players are in motion and not just standing and watching. Anytime you get WCS moving at his size he's gonna draw attention.

A lot of folks here would love to have a dude like Gobert in a Knicks uniform, so here is our chance to get an even better prospect. BRIGGS, didn't you tell me this dude is Rodman on steroid? You must not like Rodman's game..