mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Technically any of our rookies that come back next year will be VETS. 2 Years from now they'll be even more experienced. There's nothing wrong with having some young players in your development program between the D League and the Pro team. Some of the guys that people are bringing up as Free Agent targets are not long time vets but young vets. Guys like Kris Middleton, Cory Joseph, Brandon Knight, Enis Kanter or Muscala. Phil is trying to build up the quality of young prospects in our system from the D League up thru the Pro team and that's going to take a lot of young players. This is the only way to start to establish a pipeline of good young players who can be brought up already familiar with our system and immersed in our culture. It's a long term approach.
Nix, why do you think that the knicks take so many long mid range shots (and lead the league)? Do you think that this will change with better players or is it part of the system and the system allows players to take these shots?
Houston would cut a player if they take these shots unless there is a really good excuse.
SA does not take these shots either (even though Parker and Duncan or holdover mid range players who can hit them).
Cleveland and Atlanta stay away from these as well.
Jason smith and bargs camp here and its okay for them to just keep chucking mid range shots ... I don't get it. So old school.
You're basing too much on what the team looks like with these particular players. It will look different with different players. If they bring in a Danny Green i'm pretty sure he'll be looking to take 3's rather than step in and take 2's. Schved, THJ and Ledo have no problem with taking 3's, but they have to be efficient. Minus Melo at SF we don't have a lot of 3pt shooting except for Early who was hurt a lot as well. We don't have a reliable stretch 4 either. These things more than anything are the reason for the lack of 3pt shots.
One of the big issues is getting penetration either via a real low post player or from a guard or SF. We don't get enough plays at the basket because many of the guys we have aren't capable. Now when we had Schved you saw more penetration and 3's. It's not really just the offense because you can get whatever shots you want in this offense. You have to have the talent tho. IMO some of the best offense is being able to draw fouls. The more our players can draw fouls the better.
This offense is very flexible but it really starts with better defense which would allow more fast break opportunities. The very 1st part of the offense is to push the ball and look for early offense. I expect the team to get out and run more next year than they have this year. The Triangle itself is so that you have some actions to get into when the defense is set. You're not supposed to slow it down for no reason.
Phil:
Finally, I want the offense to flow from rebound to fast break, to quick offense, to a system of offense.
so why did he get Jason Smith? All he can do is take terrible long range shots.
Why has philly decided that even though they are bad, they will not take these terrible shots?
Why is Jason smith even set up there on every play?
We will see next year but there are no more excuses if we lead the league in this category again.
You're basically answering your question when you ask why is Jason Smith taking those shots. He's not much different than Bargs in that he has been a very good career midrange shooter. If your offense is going to have some shots taken from that area then you better be good at it. The mistake tho is to assume that when we have better players that we will continue to get MOST of our shots in those areas.
The missing ingredient right now is the low post big who can help to space the floor, pass out of the post and score in close to the basket. Then you also need a PG and wings who can shoot from 3. The midrange shooting big is only a small part of the overall scheme in a properly built team but on our team we simply have a big hole were our low post big should be. Remember that this team is a torn down version of what it's supposed to be. Don't base anything off what you see this year.
Now you just have to imagine for example a lineup of Towns, Monroe, Melo, Danny Green & Schved. You've got threats on the perimeter behind the 3pt line and two low post threats, with Towns also able to step into the midrange spot to take a jumper or drive. Since both Towns and Monroe are good passing bigs that helps the shooters to get those spot up 3's or fake and drive on scrambling defenders. You also have the Pinch post 2 man game on the weak side opposite the strong side triangle.
The real difference of this style is that it allows you to play with 2 bigs and not be stagnant or crowded due to the spacing and constant movement of the wings.
