fishmike wrote:
Thats vs. Frank Kaminsky.. a legit 7 footer, NBA prospect and the best player in CBB. This is what I mean about dominating the competition. That type of scoring can only be defended with doubles.. something OK4 is quite adept to deal with.

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dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:
Thats vs. Frank Kaminsky.. a legit 7 footer, NBA prospect and the best player in CBB. This is what I mean about dominating the competition. That type of scoring can only be defended with doubles.. something OK4 is quite adept to deal with.

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fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

yea thats what I said to Fish. I have no issue with people thinking OK4 is the safer pick because of his offense. Personally I think Towns is the safer pick because at worst he will be a contributor in multiple areas on a winning team. Whereas OK4, Melo & Calderon will be a disaster defensively even if there's enough shots for both OK4 & Melo. I think with Towns Melo can still be himself. Towns won't demand the ball, he will space the floor and he will cover for Melo's defensive deficiences to certain extent minimally. Those are a few of the reasons why I prefer Towns

If that was the case we wouldnt be having this discussion. Town's downside is Kwame Brown or Javal McGee or Benoit Benjamin. When you take a guy who isnt ready for the league you risk bust. Yes OK4 is the "safer" pick because he's going to be a good NBA player. He could also be the safe pick because he's light years ahead of Town developmentally, and has a skill set that few guys have and few guy aquire once joining the league.

Right now Towns looks a lot like Robin Lopez with a jumper. I understand the upside but I also see total denial that Towns fits the profile of many an NBA bust. Is that fishmike saying Towns will be a bust? No.. only that he fits a profile of great prospects who were busts because they were too raw or taking too early to properly develop.

cant argue with any of this, fish, good post. you have to love what towns has been doing, but you can't say he does any one thing dominantly right now. i love the fact that he has an all-around game and i also love the fact that it seems like he's just oozing with untapped potential. watching him play, im not sure he fits the profile of a low-post dominant big man, although it's obviously something he can develop in due time. the term potential gets alot of people fired and while we have seen a lot of nice things from towns, i don't think he's in the discussion for #1pick becuase of his stats this year; it's what his stats could be.

i know you've mentioned marvin williams alot as kind of a similar type player, another guy who i think fits the profile is derrick favors. he has a very similar situation as towns and is a very similar type of player. favors was a 12ppg/8rpg guy at geargia tech and was viewed as a do-all player with very few weaknesses. he ends up being the third pick in the draft based on his potential, he's just now starting to come into his own in the nba, 5 years into his career. he's not a bust, but i don't think anyone would say he has lived up to being the 3rd pick in the draft yet. i do like the fact that phil has been visiting KU practices on the regualar though, atleast he's seeing towns in practice, and to be honest, KU practices are probably pretty intense since they have about 9pro's on their roster. if you split that team in half the, the second-unit would probably be a top10 team this year, as well, so atleast towns is seeing competition there too. this is all just food for thought.

whatever the case is, i hope phil does all of his homework and makes the right pick.. i'm fine with either guy though, that's for sure.

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Uptown wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He is 19 of course you can nitpick his flaws. Ok4's motor on defense and reaction time Are more glaring imo. Does he have it in him to get better?

Who knows if he has it in him? The same can be said about Towns who was already called out by his coach. I know this much, Ok4 is going to be a legit scoring threat in the paint from day one. His best attribute, scoring in the paint is more easy to bank on than what Towns is going to bring to the table. Towns is more of a what if or might be. Too much of a risk to take #1.

good post. it's such a tough call for me. i think towns will end up being the best player in this draft, but he could totally end up being a bust, just like any of the others could be. i do think you're right about ok4 being a legit scoring threat from day1. there is a lot less risk with picking ok4, i think.

yea thats what I said to Fish. I have no issue with people thinking OK4 is the safer pick because of his offense. Personally I think Towns is the safer pick because at worst he will be a contributor in multiple areas on a winning team. Whereas OK4, Melo & Calderon will be a disaster defensively even if there's enough shots for both OK4 & Melo. I think with Towns Melo can still be himself. Towns won't demand the ball, he will space the floor and he will cover for Melo's defensive deficiences to certain extent minimally. Those are a few of the reasons why I prefer Towns

If that was the case we wouldnt be having this discussion. Town's downside is Kwame Brown or Javal McGee or Benoit Benjamin. When you take a guy who isnt ready for the league you risk bust. Yes OK4 is the "safer" pick because he's going to be a good NBA player. He could also be the safe pick because he's light years ahead of Town developmentally, and has a skill set that few guys have and few guy aquire once joining the league.

Right now Towns looks a lot like Robin Lopez with a jumper. I understand the upside but I also see total denial that Towns fits the profile of many an NBA bust. Is that fishmike saying Towns will be a bust? No.. only that he fits a profile of great prospects who were busts because they were too raw or taking too early to properly develop.

cant argue with any of this, fish, good post. you have to love what towns has been doing, but you can't say he does any one thing dominantly right now. i love the fact that he has an all-around game and i also love the fact that it seems like he's just oozing with untapped potential. watching him play, im not sure he fits the profile of a low-post dominant big man, although it's obviously something he can develop in due time. the term potential gets alot of people fired and while we have seen a lot of nice things from towns, i don't think he's in the discussion for #1pick becuase of his stats this year; it's what his stats could be.

i know you've mentioned marvin williams alot as kind of a similar type player, another guy who i think fits the profile is derrick favors. he has a very similar situation as towns and is a very similar type of player. favors was a 12ppg/8rpg guy at geargia tech and was viewed as a do-all player with very few weaknesses. he ends up being the third pick in the draft based on his potential, he's just now starting to come into his own in the nba, 5 years into his career. he's not a bust, but i don't think anyone would say he has lived up to being the 3rd pick in the draft yet. i do like the fact that phil has been visiting KU practices on the regualar though, atleast he's seeing towns in practice, and to be honest, KU practices are probably pretty intense since they have about 9pro's on their roster. if you split that team in half the, the second-unit would probably be a top10 team this year, as well, so atleast towns is seeing competition there too. this is all just food for thought.

whatever the case is, i hope phil does all of his homework and makes the right pick.. i'm fine with either guy though, that's for sure.

gunsnewing wrote:I really like Favors. Much better comparison but I like Towns more. Like you said Towns practices and plays in a very competive environment. Favors did not. I got no problem giving Towns 4-5 years to reach his maximum potential. He is only 19 so he will be 23-24 and we will reap the benefits as long as we are patient and Phil already said he is going to be patient with 19yr olds. I really think Phil fully understands the errors in the way the knicks have been run. Phil wants to build a sustainable winner and the best way to do that is to develop your own cheap talent

If Towns does nothing the first few years which I doubt but is Derrick Favors or better in 4-5 years I will be extremely happy with the pick. If ok4 puts up offensive numbers but is amare/Lee bad defensively than I won't be so happy

gunsnewing wrote:Dolan has made us all so impatient. There's nothing wrong with showing some patience with high draft picks. Heck even JORDAN Hill amounted to something after a few years.

I think fans will be patient if Dolan doesnt get involved in basketball decisions and let's Phil do his job

Dolan is involved in almost every basketball decision. Don't kid yourself. That's why they've been so consistently terrible during his tenure.

This is why I think it's WAY more likely we wind up with Kevin Love on draft night than Towns, OK4 or Russell.

gunsnewing wrote:Most bigs arent Anthony Davis, Tim Duncan and even Dwight Howard right away. I think Towns & OK4 can put up similar numbers to Demarcus rookie year offensively but Towns is better all around. Towns can put up Howard all around numbers with a more versatile game whether it's in year 1,2,3,4 or 5.

If Towns does nothing the first few years which I doubt but is Derrick Favors or better in 4-5 years I will be extremely happy with the pick. If ok4 puts up offensive numbers but is amare/Lee bad defensively than I won't be so happy

gunsnewing wrote:Boogie averaged 14 & 8

I shocked if Towns averages 12/8/2

At worst 10 & 7 in 20 something crucial minutes in year 1 and grow from there