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Dolan Has Ruined This Franchise - It May Not Recover For A Decade
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misterearl
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2/24/2015  11:33 AM
hate, despair and videotape highlights

jrodmc - sometimes you gotta cry to keep from laughing. We have witnessed Hall of Fame coaches, a Hall of Fame General Manager and a handful of players (who are playing significant rotational minutes) spin through the revolving door at The Garden of Good and Terrible on Seventh Avenue. Of course, our first round selection could be an exact replica of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and the free agents step in ready to enforce their will in the locker room from day one. Langston Galloway develops a "fall back baby" jumper and reminds old school followers of Dick Barnett.

It could happen.

Please do not confuse an unflinching critique for hate. Far from it. We desperately want Uncle Phil to get it right. Unfortunately, as Splat eloquently has explained, there is a reason why Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown, Donnie Walsh and Glen Grunwald are no longer here. There is a reason why we have no front office continuity, and as a result we have more players wearing other uniforms than any NBA franchise.

It's not about starting over or big egos. They all have outsized egos. The issue is whether any self-respecting executive can work under James Dolan. Period. If $60M is not enough loot to hold Uncle Phil's attention in New York for five years, what happens next?

We all live in an Orange and Blue Submarine.

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2/24/2015  11:46 AM
Earl.. I find the timing of this from you puzzling. I know you have been pretty much glass full and find the silver lining in everything. Yes the team is horrible, but they are being run now by BB people with championship experience and have been granted autonomy. I mean the Knicks are set up for a huge offseason. Now its possible Phil utterly fails to execute and its more of this next year with Toronto eyeing Ben Simmons with our draft pick

But

That hasnt happened yet, and its just as feasible Phil gets some guys to come play here, executes on our best pick since the Ewing draft and the Knicks quickly go back to relevent.

So why now?

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misterearl
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2/24/2015  12:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:03 PM
The Answer Man's Spider Sense Is Tingling

Q. fishmike - So why now?

A. (As someone who has followed this franchise closely since 1967, the only words that sum it up are...) "I have a bad feeling about this."

The Answer Man sincerely hopes he is wrong.

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2/24/2015  12:18 PM
gunsnewing wrote:If They didn't resign Melo we could've jump started the whole rebuilding process with additional picks. TYSON doesn't get trade for zero value and we could've been players at the deadline of at least got more assets. Now we have an injured Melo, who know one wants to play with, taking up $24mil of the cap

When someone doesn't "know" the difference between know and no, how can I take this as an intelligent response?

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  12:20 PM
gunsnewing wrote:It will be interest to see who gets better faster

Boston
Philly
New York

Boston also started their rebuilding about 2 yrs before the Knicks ( and Philly probably 1 1/2 -2 yrs before the Knicks)

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  12:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:21 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:If They didn't resign Melo we could've jump started the whole rebuilding process with additional picks. TYSON doesn't get trade for zero value and we could've been players at the deadline of at least got more assets. Now we have an injured Melo, who know one wants to play with, taking up $24mil of the cap

When someone doesn't "know" the difference between know and no, how can I take this as an intelligent response?

Jeez, how pedantic petty can you be over a homonym typo?

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gunsnewing
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2/24/2015  12:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:21 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:If They didn't resign Melo we could've jump started the whole rebuilding process with additional picks. TYSON doesn't get trade for zero value and we could've been players at the deadline of at least got more assets. Now we have an injured Melo, who know one wants to play with, taking up $24mil of the cap

When someone doesn't "know" the difference between know and no, how can I take this as an intelligent response?


you are a funny man.

I post on my phone by the way. Hard to read as i type

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2/24/2015  12:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2015  12:28 PM
BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole
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2/24/2015  12:25 PM
misterearl wrote:hate, despair and videotape highlights

jrodmc - sometimes you gotta cry to keep from laughing. We have witnessed Hall of Fame coaches, a Hall of Fame General Manager and a handful of players (who are playing significant rotational minutes) spin through the revolving door at The Garden of Good and Terrible on Seventh Avenue. Of course, our first round selection could be an exact replica of Kareem Abdul Jabbar and the free agents step in ready to enforce their will in the locker room from day one. Langston Galloway develops a "fall back baby" jumper and reminds old school followers of Dick Barnett.

It could happen.

Please do not confuse an unflinching critique for hate. Far from it. We desperately want Uncle Phil to get it right. Unfortunately, as Splat eloquently has explained, there is a reason why Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown, Donnie Walsh and Glen Grunwald are no longer here. There is a reason why we have no front office continuity, and as a result we have more players wearing other uniforms than any NBA franchise.

It's not about starting over or big egos. They all have outsized egos. The issue is whether any self-respecting executive can work under James Dolan. Period. If $60M is not enough loot to hold Uncle Phil's attention in New York for five years, what happens next?

We all live in an Orange and Blue Submarine.

Earl, as you say, it is not that Phil was totally the wrong choice that is the whole problem here. The re-set button on poor managerial practices does not get activated every time a new GM or coach is hired. The institutional deficit Phil inherited was bad enough, but he brought his own baggage which has not helped one bit.

Big egos are not the issue. Everyone would love a superstar veteran in his prime and would not care if their outsized ego made them a despicable person on a personal level if that resulted in driving the team to achieve championship level results.

The reason focusing on character traits and personality defects matters so much is that when they override your strengths they pull you down. Frankly, I wouldn't have cared so much that Melo is a self-absorbed douchebag if he actually was a leader who got results. But he's merely a volume scorer and otherwise a crap basketball player.

All the gerbils running around yelling hater! can't deal with the psychological profiling, yet they still fail to correlate the results to the person.

Phil's baggage is hubris. I identified early on and I was spot on. He overestimates his influence on the coach and players. He thinks his "system" trumps good GM personnel skills. Phil is totally out of his league when it comes to cutting deals. He's truly a newb with an inflated sense of himself.

He brought this hubris and sold it to Dolan who loves spending on big splashes. No metrics, no analytics drive this organization, but ad hoc band-aid deals meant to appease the gullible public.

Phil's ego unto itself is not the issue. But his vanity negates the value of a powerful will. Vanity clouds personal self-evaluation and leads one to believe their abilities are greater than they actually are.

Phil drank his own kool-aid. His belief he would zen the organization into shape made him arrogant. He actually thought he could compromise himself with Dolan, collect the big check and still keep his integrity. He does not look good at this point.

When you do business with hustlers you either get hustled or become a hustler. Phil joined forces with Dolan because he was willing to turn a blind eye to the reality of the situation. He deluded himself into thinking he was a force that would reform this dysfunctional institution. That's hubris. And it is appallingly short-sighted for such a smart man.

It is why I say he sold out. He's too smart not to know it could turn into a complete clusterfuk getting into bed with Dolan, but he did it anyway. His vanity and greed overruled his better judgment. Phil should have never gotten involved. He is ill-equipped for the job and totally compromised himself.

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2/24/2015  12:34 PM
gunsnewing wrote:BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole

Don't flatter yourself. If I comment on your idiotic negative responses and you don't like it then thats too bad.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  12:36 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole

Don't flatter yourself. If I comment on your idiotic negative responses and you don't like it then thats too bad.

You're the biggest dummy here. You've never posted anything remotely engaging. Your bark is a pathetic yelp.

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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2/24/2015  12:36 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole

Don't flatter yourself. If I comment on your idiotic negative responses and you don't like it then thats too bad.

Ignore

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2/24/2015  12:40 PM
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole

Don't flatter yourself. If I comment on your idiotic negative responses and you don't like it then thats too bad.

Hey BigRedDog, how is your proclamation that "This really is one of the greatest days in Knick history!!!" regarding Phil's signing holding up so far? Still have complete confidence in him?

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2/24/2015  12:42 PM
I disagree with a lot of people here(sometimes I agree) but I won't put them on ignore because I value their opinions. You sir BigRed add nothing of value so putting you on ignore is an easy call. There are a few others like you I will be on the look out for
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2/24/2015  1:05 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole

Don't flatter yourself. If I comment on your idiotic negative responses and you don't like it then thats too bad.

Hey BigRedDog, how is your proclamation that "This really is one of the greatest days in Knick history!!!" regarding Phil's signing holding up so far? Still have complete confidence in him?

I'm glad you are following me so closely. I am flattered! Yes, I am still a big Phil fan. I still think he came here to rebuild his beloved Knicks. This off season will be the real test.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  1:09 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I disagree with a lot of people here(sometimes I agree) but I won't put them on ignore because I value their opinions. You sir BigRed add nothing of value so putting you on ignore is an easy call. There are a few others like you I will be on the look out for

I guess you don't value real basketball knowledge. I guess you value posters, like yourself who are total phonies. Post how they like a move, then rip it 6 months later only to be called out on it by another poster. Totally hilarious!!!

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  1:16 PM
Splat's got me confused. Usually such extreem hate is usually reserved for more illiterate whose lack of words is consistant with the lack of thought.

In this case, Splat might be shortsighed and not very imaginative but writes pretty darn good!!!

Clearly this is suspicious!

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2/24/2015  1:26 PM
Nalod wrote:Splat's got me confused. Usually such extreem hate is usually reserved for more illiterate whose lack of words is consistant with the lack of thought.

In this case, Splat might be shortsighed and not very imaginative but writes pretty darn good!!!

Clearly this is suspicious!

Me too...This version of Splat is actually interesting..

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2/24/2015  1:28 PM
Splat wrote:
BigRedDog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:BigRed it seems you only crawl out of your hole to stalk me. I suggest you put me on ignore or crawl back into your hole

Don't flatter yourself. If I comment on your idiotic negative responses and you don't like it then thats too bad.

You're the biggest dummy here. You've never posted anything remotely engaging. Your bark is a pathetic yelp.

I thought you were gone for good. BTW I know more basketball than you will ever know, dummy. I enjoyed the holiday from your rants. You can put me on ignore too please.

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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2/24/2015  1:30 PM
Nalod wrote:Splat's got me confused. Usually such extreem hate is usually reserved for more illiterate whose lack of words is consistant with the lack of thought.

In this case, Splat might be shortsighed and not very imaginative but writes pretty darn good!!!

Clearly this is suspicious!

If I'm the one around here who has consistently been ahead of the curve and accurately diagnosed the situation and whose predictions have been pretty spot on, then that would mean I am far-sighted. It is the mob that is short-sighted and clings to beliefs unsubstantiated by events. Just clearing that up for you so there's no misunderstanding

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
Dolan Has Ruined This Franchise - It May Not Recover For A Decade

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