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Nalod
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5/14/2014  7:14 AM
Stan Van got 5 years and $35mil to both coach and be in charge of personnel!

Pistons jumped in and got their man then risk dilly-dallying with Warriors whom did not want to give authority to Stan Van.

Is stan a retread?

Pistons got whom they wanted and paid. Knicks might do well for themselves to do the same. If Kerr is your man, they get him!

Money for front office is crazy these days. $7 mil a year? WOW!!!! Of course, he has to live in Detroit?

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5/14/2014  7:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2014  8:44 AM
Kerr has been doing his homework ever since Phil was going to take over in Seattle. Kerr did not consider coaching overnight. He is a lot more prepared from a coaching standpoint then some of you think.

If Phil hires him you better believe he feels Kerr is ready. Kerr has years of basketball knowledge under his belt and knows what it takes to win. 5rings and counting. This isn't hiring a 30yr old coach straight off the court who will mismanage the team and personalities at times

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5/14/2014  8:34 AM
Im thinking kerr wants a 5 year deal because the possibility that melo leaves is good, and the Knicks will be in a rebuild situation that lasts 3 or so years.
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Nalod
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5/14/2014  10:14 AM
5 years matches Phils contract. If we go into two year rebuild mode year three has that lame duck aura if you don't have the 5 year deal.

Im not really concerned as teams pay off coaches all the time and Knicks have more than their share.

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5/14/2014  10:35 AM
Nalod wrote:5 years matches Phils contract. If we go into two year rebuild mode year three has that lame duck aura if you don't have the 5 year deal.

Im not really concerned as teams pay off coaches all the time and Knicks have more than their share.

We have a history of gambling and going all in with no contingency plan, so when it doesn't work out we're screwed- $35mil and 5 years is too much for coach with zero experience who no one wanted until we showed interest. Take a step back- it ridiculous!

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5/14/2014  10:38 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:5 years matches Phils contract. If we go into two year rebuild mode year three has that lame duck aura if you don't have the 5 year deal.

Im not really concerned as teams pay off coaches all the time and Knicks have more than their share.

We have a history of gambling and going all in with no contingency plan, so when it doesn't work out we're screwed- $35mil and 5 years is too much for coach with zero experience who no one wanted until we showed interest. Take a step back- it ridiculous!

Knicks also have a tenancy towards high turnover with coaches and front office. I prefer to see long term continuity.

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5/14/2014  10:46 AM
We have a history of hiring GM and coaches that are doomed for failure because of different philosophies and agendas. Lenny Wilkins is fired because Isiah wants to put his stamp on the team. Chaney-Layden etc. Same with acquiring mish mosh talent. Just throwing players against the wall and hope they stick or mesh.

This is about going against all the mistakes of the past 15yrs. First and foremost forcing Dolan to leave all basketball decisions to the great Phil Jackson. No more friction and everyone on the same page from day 1.

Tell me what is more important the organization being on the same page or a few extra millions? No cap for coaches

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5/14/2014  11:00 AM
this is not a tear down situation. with or without melo, phil is not building via the draft for more than 1 year. he's gonna try to get big names here in 2015. next year is a stop gap.

a "true" rebuild effort will take at least 4 years just to get the team to respectability status. you need at least 2-3 drafts plus some solid vets. he's on a 5 year deal. no way he's aiming to do that.

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5/14/2014  11:27 AM
djsunyc wrote:this is not a tear down situation. with or without melo, phil is not building via the draft for more than 1 year. he's gonna try to get big names here in 2015. next year is a stop gap.

a "true" rebuild effort will take at least 4 years just to get the team to respectability status. you need at least 2-3 drafts plus some solid vets. he's on a 5 year deal. no way he's aiming to do that.

I see it completely in the opposite direction. If you down want to call it a tear down situation, so be it, but it's close to it especially depending on what Melo does.

I hated Phil when with Chicago and Lakers because he always seemed to have the best players in the league at the helm of his teams, Kerr would be the same way from a players perspective. I think both of those guys realize that if you want championship level, you need super talent surround by pieces that fit. Both of those guys have asked themselves "Is Melo one of the super talents?" and come to a conclusion. Your top guy and leaders need to be forceful 2-way players, Phil and Kerr know this. And if they know this, they will act accordingly, otherwise they are wasting their own time and ours.

2015 is a chance to add FA but trading Melo and Chandler and whatever is a chance to add draft picks.

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5/14/2014  11:32 AM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:this is not a tear down situation. with or without melo, phil is not building via the draft for more than 1 year. he's gonna try to get big names here in 2015. next year is a stop gap.

a "true" rebuild effort will take at least 4 years just to get the team to respectability status. you need at least 2-3 drafts plus some solid vets. he's on a 5 year deal. no way he's aiming to do that.

I see it completely in the opposite direction. If you down want to call it a tear down situation, so be it, but it's close to it especially depending on what Melo does.

I hated Phil when with Chicago and Lakers because he always seemed to have the best players in the league at the helm of his teams, Kerr would be the same way from a players perspective. I think both of those guys realize that if you want championship level, you need super talent surround by pieces that fit. Both of those guys have asked themselves "Is Melo one of the super talents?" and come to a conclusion. Your top guy and leaders need to be forceful 2-way players, Phil and Kerr know this. And if they know this, they will act accordingly, otherwise they are wasting their own time and ours.

2015 is a chance to add FA but trading Melo and Chandler and whatever is a chance to add draft picks.

exactly!!!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/14/2014  11:59 AM
Still, you won't find anyone naming any team but the Knicks as the top contender for Kerr. They're just dawdling and bargaining. Talks that were supposed to wrap up by the beginning of last week, then the end of last week, then the beginning of this week might "drag on even beyond Wednesday." Maybe renewed pressure from the Warriors will force the Knicks to pay up, maybe they'll reach a compromise, maybe Kerr will bail. Maybe this process will stretch into eternity and we'll all perish before the Knicks hire a head coach. The grim specter of Steve Kerr will shoot threes over our tombs, cackling all the while.

This has all been very long, very dumb.

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5/14/2014  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/14/2014  12:11 PM
Yup as good as Melo is I wonder what Phil and Kerr think of him as a 2-way/motor for both ends of the floor kind of player. Phil isn't in this just make the playoffs and fizzle out
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5/14/2014  12:03 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Yup as good as Melo is I wonder what Phil and Kerr think of him as a 2-way motor for both ends of the floor kind of player. Phil isn't in this to just make the playoffs and fizzle out

Phil: "I'm all about moving forward. If it's in the cards then man are we lucky. If it isn't in the cards then man are we lucky."

A one-way player with no discernible leadership skills does not deserve to et paid anymore than 12-14 million. Melo go bye-bye

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/14/2014  12:10 PM
Kerr brings GM skills.....as a coach

Phil brings coaching skills.....as a GM

A match made in heaven....Get it done so we can move on.

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5/14/2014  12:32 PM
Any star player who declares before the season that he wants to test the free agency waters after every this franchise has done for him can go as far as I'm concerned. Nothing wrong with opting out but why make it a parade a year? Really encouraging to the rest of the team and team unity
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5/14/2014  12:38 PM
martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:5 years matches Phils contract. If we go into two year rebuild mode year three has that lame duck aura if you don't have the 5 year deal.

Im not really concerned as teams pay off coaches all the time and Knicks have more than their share.

We have a history of gambling and going all in with no contingency plan, so when it doesn't work out we're screwed- $35mil and 5 years is too much for coach with zero experience who no one wanted until we showed interest. Take a step back- it ridiculous!

Knicks also have a tenancy towards high turnover with coaches and front office. I prefer to see long term continuity.

And so do I, but it think its important to have contingency plans- ie what if Kerr is a terrible coach. I love the idea of having a unified GM and coaching team, and being patient with them, but at the same time how many times have we dished out giant 5 year contracts and just hoped nothing went wrong.

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5/14/2014  12:46 PM
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martin wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:5 years matches Phils contract. If we go into two year rebuild mode year three has that lame duck aura if you don't have the 5 year deal.

Im not really concerned as teams pay off coaches all the time and Knicks have more than their share.

We have a history of gambling and going all in with no contingency plan, so when it doesn't work out we're screwed- $35mil and 5 years is too much for coach with zero experience who no one wanted until we showed interest. Take a step back- it ridiculous!

Knicks also have a tenancy towards high turnover with coaches and front office. I prefer to see long term continuity.

And so do I, but it think its important to have contingency plans- ie what if Kerr is a terrible coach. I love the idea of having a unified GM and coaching team, and being patient with them, but at the same time how many times have we dished out giant 5 year contracts and just hoped nothing went wrong.

But it's not the contract we worried or complained about

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5/14/2014  1:42 PM
misterearl wrote:Still, you won't find anyone naming any team but the Knicks as the top contender for Kerr. They're just dawdling and bargaining. Talks that were supposed to wrap up by the beginning of last week, then the end of last week, then the beginning of this week might "drag on even beyond Wednesday." Maybe renewed pressure from the Warriors will force the Knicks to pay up, maybe they'll reach a compromise, maybe Kerr will bail. Maybe this process will stretch into eternity and we'll all perish before the Knicks hire a head coach. The grim specter of Steve Kerr will shoot threes over our tombs, cackling all the while.

This has all been very long, very dumb.

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Media got you going on this or you actually give a phuch about the time it is taking?

Looks to Me GS was out, dragged its feet with SVG and now is circling back with buyers remorse. GS said they were taking their time and doing an exhaustive search!

Who cares how long it takes. Who cares why Kerr is the hot dot right now. They do it lets hope they do it right.
Seems like your Misterearl is more hung up on other peoples money. Detroit went out and got the guy they wanted and payed up. Lets hope the knicks get their guy.

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5/14/2014  8:53 PM
The Answer Man Knows That Family Is Stronger Than Money

Q. Nalod - Media got you going on this or you actually give a phuch about the time it is taking?

A. Both

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5/15/2014  12:07 AM

Kerr played his hand well. GS handled it like an Ebay auction, they lost on SVG so they moved quickly to give the extra year.

The logic of logistics for Kerr to stay out west makes the heart warmer. I get the family angle. I would have done the same.

In the end Kerr wanted to coach and Phil made a strong bid to woo his friend.

Roster, family, weather all add up.

Good call Answerman! Kerr not the only coach for us.

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