tkf wrote:

LegendaryKnicks wrote:

tkf wrote:

LegendaryKnicks wrote:Carmelo's age isn't an issue at all, nor a factor in the contract talks. He's going to get four years from someone, he's a scorer, with a great jump shot. That doesn't leave you as you age, even at 34 years old it's not going to be an issue. Jason Kidd and Nash played incredibly well in their mid to late 30s. Kobe at 33, 34(before the injury that year) was top three in the league. This "30 being old" stuff is way off base in this day in age, he isn't a running back.

is that worth 20 mil?

This "30 being old" stuff is way off base in this day in age, he isn't a running back.

depends on the player... it is old to pay for a guy with as many flaws as he has.. in a league with a cap, like the NBA, appropriation of dollars is key...

carmelo isn't kobe.. kobe at 33 had how many rings? carmelo isn't the elite player kobe was.. you pay kobe to maintain that level.. not hoping he improves in areas to get to that level after 13 seasons..

Carmelo hasn't played with anyone near the caliber of Shaq, let alone Gasol and Bynum(before he fell off the cliff.) It's proven in this league that you cannot win a title with one elite player, it is an impossibility. Melo's been playing with what seems like dumpster finds for years.

And is he worth 20 million? Based on market value, yes he is. Deron Williams is making 18 million and Melo is a more impactful player than Williams who is scared of the ball in crunch time and is horrendously inconsistent. Bosh is making 19 million and I would take Melo over Bosh in a second. Gasol is making 19 million. Rudy Gay is making 18 million. Zach Randolph is at 18 million. Dwayne Wade is at 19 million and his body is done. Joe Johnson is at 22 million. Based on the market, for the talent, yes that is worth 20 million. Do I hope we can get him for 17-18? Yes, absolutely.

I am sorry, but I don't care and I don't want to hear that argument.. paul george and dirk haven't played with those caliber of players, and one has a ring and the other already has been to game 7 of the ECF... lets look at what the player does individually.... how is he making any one else better...

Deron Williams is making 18 million and Melo is a more impactful player than Williams who is scared of the ball in crunch time and is horrendously inconsistent. Bosh is making 19 million and I would take Melo over Bosh in a second. Gasol is making 19 million. Rudy Gay is making 18 million. Zach Randolph is at 18 million. Dwayne Wade is at 19 million and his body is done. Joe Johnson is at 22 million. Based on the market, for the talent, yes that is worth 20 million. Do I hope we can get him for 17-18? Yes, absolutely.

and on their next deals those guys won't be making that kind of money.. bosh won't.. rudy gay won't... deron won't...

if carmelo wants to keep his salary then he shouldn't be opting out.. you don't overpay someone just because other players are overpaid and still under their current deals... that is not their current value....

Dirk Nowitzki has played with incredible players. Paul George played with arguably the best big man in the NBA in Hibbert the last two seasons. David West is a monster. Lance Stevenson was an all-star snub this season.

Amar'e has been on one leg since 2011. We haven't had a point guard worth a damn in over a decade. You expect Carmelo Anthony to bring a team with Ray Felton, JR Smith, Andrea Bargnani, etc. to the finals? Or even a ring? This roster is bare, you're paying Stoudemire 22 million dollars to hobble around. And Bargnani 11 million to be a disaster.