Certainly up there

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:
you are notorious for creating these arguments I never claimed to have made and then arguing against it..

30 points a game does not make an argument against inefficiency. To me, this is a big of "flip flopping".

This is not that hard bro.. Iverson although an inefficient player was better than carmelo....
got it? where did I say iverson was efficient?

Leading the league in steals was a detriment to his team and team defense

is that like saying carmelo leading the knicks in scoring was detrimental to the offense? OK if that is the road you want to go down... now next explain to me how was that so.. and please don't say iverson gambled on defense, is there really any proof of that?

3 time all NBA first team does not argue the numbers either.

what numbers are we arguing here? Iverson has better numbers, but a poster said carmelo was an all NBA player, he used that as a defense.. I countered with iverson being and all nba first team player 3 times... I don't get your point here..

"simple a better player than carmelo" maybe, but an empty statement

empty like, "top 5 player", "Best pure scorer", "best player on the knicks"?

nothing empty about it, Iverson was a better player....

I am notorious for creating these arguments? Ok ... You have not mentioned about how good/great a player that AI was? I never said that you said he was efficient, did I? You still see the issue here right?

You don't need to call me bro or get mad, just argue your points.

The steals being a detriment was from Clyde Frazier saying that he gambled too much and lost and that hurt his team defensively.

Leading the league in anything is great if its done efficiently. Jacking up 27 shots to lead the league in scoring at 31 per is horrible (Iverson). I would rather Melo not ever lead the league in scoring and shoot 47pct and average 5 assists.

I don't care how many times Iverson was All NBA, that does not change anything, people are obviously misinformed and bad GM's.

"simple a better player than carmelo" maybe, but an empty statement

empty like, "top 5 player", "Best pure scorer", "best player on the knicks"?

nothing empty about it, Iverson was a better player....

Again, a horribly empty argument/statement with lots of chest pumping. Neither of them were/top 5 players. Melo in my bood is 10-15 but he could be closer to top 5 if he made those adjustments.

Please read the Wages of Wins article about Iverson before responding. Funny but there is also an article in there that talks about how Iverson and Melo were a horrible pairing. And, when billups replaced him, they did much better.
Papabear Says

Iverson great player poor business man. He is now broke. I bet one thing when Melo retires he will retire as one the the most financially secured NBA players in history. Iverson had loads of talent but he could have been better. He traveled with his home boys and gave them money now he is broke. A sad story.

fishmike wrote:DK... now your just being a *****. You puff out your chest, you condescend, you remind us of our little IQs, you tout your great BB IQ over all and your ability to see truth in #s other cant, and you are so certain in your convictions that Melo isnt even close to a max player that no team will offer him max money.

But now we see... your just guessing all along. Your just guessing Melo isnt max player. Your just guessing about everything it seems, because in the end you know your wrong and your little game is running out of gas.

Personally I dont care if we keep Melo or if Phil sends him to another team in a S&T. We have a new GM and like Walsh I am 100% prepared to sit back and look at every move as part of a bigger plan and lets see where we go. That being said I know Melo will certainly be offered the max. Why? (brace yourself for logic). Because he's a max player.

I see after 1000s of posts on your personal anti-Melo crusade lacks a spine.

Ill give you 2-1. My $200 to your $100.

Im open.

Fishmike he won't bet you because he ain't got no JOB Who would hire him with that ego. Id bet you that he will ignore your bet. He ain't got no money.

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:DK... now your just being a *****. You puff out your chest, you condescend, you remind us of our little IQs, you tout your great BB IQ over all and your ability to see truth in #s other cant, and you are so certain in your convictions that Melo isnt even close to a max player that no team will offer him max money.

But now we see... your just guessing all along. Your just guessing Melo isnt max player. Your just guessing about everything it seems, because in the end you know your wrong and your little game is running out of gas.

Personally I dont care if we keep Melo or if Phil sends him to another team in a S&T. We have a new GM and like Walsh I am 100% prepared to sit back and look at every move as part of a bigger plan and lets see where we go. That being said I know Melo will certainly be offered the max. Why? (brace yourself for logic). Because he's a max player.

I see after 1000s of posts on your personal anti-Melo crusade lacks a spine.

Ill give you 2-1. My $200 to your $100.

Im open.

you are on tilt. let me know when you are no longer on tilt.

He's been that way for a couple months now. It's a whole new level of "snitty robot" behavior!
You said that was your *guess* in your actual statement for crying out loud

Papabear Says

Bonn a couple of weeks ago I made a promise after an apology to back off what he said. I thought that he would be more committed to an honest debate but his hate seem to have gotten worse. This seem to make me think that the apology was a fake. His hate for Melo goes far beyond sports. And sooner or later this must be addressed.

Sangfroid wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:DK... now your just being a *****. You puff out your chest, you condescend, you remind us of our little IQs, you tout your great BB IQ over all and your ability to see truth in #s other cant, and you are so certain in your convictions that Melo isnt even close to a max player that no team will offer him max money.

But now we see... your just guessing all along. Your just guessing Melo isnt max player. Your just guessing about everything it seems, because in the end you know your wrong and your little game is running out of gas.

Personally I dont care if we keep Melo or if Phil sends him to another team in a S&T. We have a new GM and like Walsh I am 100% prepared to sit back and look at every move as part of a bigger plan and lets see where we go. That being said I know Melo will certainly be offered the max. Why? (brace yourself for logic). Because he's a max player.

I see after 1000s of posts on your personal anti-Melo crusade lacks a spine.

Ill give you 2-1. My $200 to your $100.

Im open.

you are on tilt. let me know when you are no longer on tilt.

He's been that way for a couple months now. It's a whole new level of "snitty robot" behavior!
You said that was your *guess* in your actual statement for crying out loud

Papabear Says

Bonn a couple of weeks ago I made a promise after an apology to back off what he said. I thought that he would be more committed to an honest debate but his hate seem to have gotten worse. This seem to make me think that the apology was a fake. His hate for Melo goes far beyond sports. And sooner or later this must be addressed.

Well Papa, it seems that you've succumbed to the very things that you were bemoaning at the beginning of this post.

As long as the SomberHaterz don't drive him out, Sangfroid, it's a moral victory. Posting the right way.

You will notice the hate will increase in direct relation to the length of this winning streak.

God help us all if we actually make the playoffs, and then get out of the second round.
Indy, beware; we have scary, rejuvenated old guys and freaks wearing masks!

Somewhere, you can hear the sound of Kmart sharpening his elbows...

I smell 1999.

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:DK... now your just being a *****. You puff out your chest, you condescend, you remind us of our little IQs, you tout your great BB IQ over all and your ability to see truth in #s other cant, and you are so certain in your convictions that Melo isnt even close to a max player that no team will offer him max money.

But now we see... your just guessing all along. Your just guessing Melo isnt max player. Your just guessing about everything it seems, because in the end you know your wrong and your little game is running out of gas.

Personally I dont care if we keep Melo or if Phil sends him to another team in a S&T. We have a new GM and like Walsh I am 100% prepared to sit back and look at every move as part of a bigger plan and lets see where we go. That being said I know Melo will certainly be offered the max. Why? (brace yourself for logic). Because he's a max player.

I see after 1000s of posts on your personal anti-Melo crusade lacks a spine.

Ill give you 2-1. My $200 to your $100.

Im open.

you are on tilt. let me know when you are no longer on tilt.

He's been that way for a couple months now. It's a whole new level of "snitty robot" behavior!
You said that was your *guess* in your actual statement for crying out loud

Papabear Says

There you go Bonn taking up for your buddy.

Silverfuel wrote:I don't know why some of you guys bother with these losers. They don't watch games and think nitpicking stats makes them Nate Silver. Put them on the ignore list and move on.

At that point you can either just move on, or click and retort to the daily anti-Melo hump-a-thon our somber duo and their bodyguard are up to. Its just what the forum is these days. Thank god Briggs is still hear to start real threads.

Just have fun with it... thats my MO. Get them spinning their wheels and laugh. They arent going away.

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:So if we start banning these guys you think the content of the site will improve? I think it would be extremely boring

I tend to agree with you, but I'd be willing to try it for a few weeks and see how it feels.

And maybe a break would give them the opportunity to come up with fresh, new reasons for Melohate/KnickSomerism.