misterearl wrote:Knixkix - Camby, Thomas, Sheed, Kidd, Brewer, Copeland...

No, this is not essentially the same roster. You do NOT plug and play people, or relationships on the court. This is not fantasy league. Not trading cards. People. Who are all different. Change just one component and the change in skill set affects how athletes relate.

Nor is it the same year or the same league of competition.

Essentially, your theory is more bogus than JR Smith, Martin, Stoudemire and Felton playing while injured.

More bogus than signing Chris Smith.

If you are counting guys like Camby, Thomas, and Sheed, you must refer to their locker room presence, but the fact is they played too few games to make a basketball impact besides a few games here and there. From a basketball standpoint, this is a similar roster with a similar makeup. From a leadership standpoint, it's clearly different.

We keep bringing in good coach's and they keep leaving with lower self esteem, lower win counts, and fatter bank.
Woodson goes:
18-6
54-27

and at 3-13 we gonna shyt can him thinking as one would think rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic would have saved the ship.

What is missing?

Amare is at the moment out of shape trying to come back.
JR has secret surgeries and not the strongest mind on the team.
Shump has secret surgery, lost confidence, and might be in pain.
Tyson is out.
Metta is old but funny.
Kenyon not providing leadership
Felton is skinny but not stronger
Pablo is really 42
Hardaway acts like he never dunked before
and Melo checked out............
Oh, woodson forgot how to coach.

one more thing on last years different Knicks. (we had a 40 per cent roster turnover)

Knixkix - the impact of Kurt Thomas was huge. Or have you forgotten how he sacrificed his body on the last day of a brutal road trip?

Do you remember what followed?

"This is 30 years in this business. I've seen a lot over the time that I've been as a player and coach. I've seen streaks like this. This happened when I was a rookie head coach. It's not fun. But these players can't see me panic."

"I thought across the board everybody was committed. Everybody who played gave us something. That's what we're going to need to get out of this hole."

- Head Coach Mike Woodson

knicks1248 wrote:

misterearl wrote:30 Years In The Business

"This is 30 years in this business. I've seen a lot over the time that I've been as a player and coach. I've seen streaks like this. This happened when I was a rookie head coach. It's not fun. But these players can't see me panic."

"I thought across the board everybody was committed. Everybody who played gave us something. That's what we're going to need to get out of this hole."

- Head Coach Mike Woodson

whatever!! stop talking and prove us wrong..

Got to practice tommrw and pass that stat sheet out like a memo..cause thats how you win games

Knicks1248 - one thing is certain. After 30 years in the business, Mike Woodson still needs you to tell him how to win a basketball game.

I think they won in spite of him

nixluva - chile please. You are now coming off as small minded. Ignore all the Woodson statements about holding a team together. Cool. Ignore the injuries to Felton, Smith, Chandler and JR Smith. Cool. Diss the Nets win as if the coach is some mental midget (compared to your superior understanding of what conversations happen on and off camera) Cool. ...for the record, we all know the Nets are basketball midgets.

unless you have set foot in the locker room, how in the hell do you know the vibe of players and coaches?

Have you ever been in the training room on a game day and watched guys get taped at 2 in the afternoon? Rode a team bus? You know absolutely nothing about how players and coaches relate or respond to one another. Nothing.

Pop Quiz - does head coach Mike Woodson bear any responsibility for the improved play of Andrea Bargnani, or does that simply happen in a vacuum?

The least you can do is be honest about your vendetta, and simply recite, "I miss Mike D'Antoni to the point my eyes burn with anger over his leaving..."

Anything...

But please, please, please....if you want respect as an opinion writer... Never say that a team won in spite of their coach... and with the same pen... say that a team is also losing because of him. Think about that.

Using your distorted math, Head Coach Mike Woodson will never win.

- NYDaily News

Dagger wrote:
I'm starting to think you are Mike Woodson, jeez you'll defend this dude to the death

Dagger - you got a problem with that?

Make your move. And please make it basketball related.

Dagger - where do you rank Ray Felton with NBA point guards?

Just gimme a number

CrushAlot wrote:Woodson was put in a very compromised position this year. There was no reason his gm and college friend should have been fired. Once that happened everything got crazy. Keeping Chris, not playing Kenyon, playing busted Amare, and giving shump's minutes to JR and Hardaway before they were earned appeared to be a directive. Losing an inspired Tyson and not being able to keep another capable big when the cuts were made say it all.

It's the environment.

New York/ Cablevision/ Dolan family spit our Hall of Fame NBA coaches like sunflower seeds.

Is Mike Woodson Hall of Fame? Of course not. His players may not always like what he says, but, unlike the bleating majority, they have never lost respect for Woodson.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it’s time to pause and reflect. ~Mark Twain

Panos wrote:bump

Whats next, post my 10th grade report card to. Remind me of my humble roots?
My dental x-rays?
Copy of PhilC’s diploma from Harvard and his Pulitzer prize?