martin wrote:

djsunyc wrote:only player i dislike more than melo is rudy gay. y'all want him too?

anyways...melo created a bidding war between bk and ny for his services guaranteeing the team that was the "winner" was going to leave their cupboard bare. so unlike many other "stars", his priority was getting to ny anyway he could along with the $$$'s. so the deal may have been made by dolan but melo played a big part.

if he walks, which he can, then he would replace lebron as the most hated player by knicks fans. it would be tough to turn down $30 mil tho but he could do it. knicks are so lucky the east is garbage, especially the atlantic. a sub .500 record may get the #4 seed. and you can't really trade him now unless it's to a team he will sign with next year. knicks are fubared.

I really only watch the Knicks and then some highlight games along the way but Melo and Felton top my list, and Melo is first by a long shot.

Dude only puts energy into ISO ball and rebounding for himself. Zero energy staying with his man - I watch switching in particular with the Knicks to see which guys are giving effort and which are not, and Melo and Felton will switch with the lightest of picks. Melo has zero concern for defense outside of making a show of getting a defensive rebound. Zero.

Melo's decision-making is just above JR's but certainly very low. The inane fouls, lazy switching when the switch will end up being something like Anderson on Felton, stopping of ball movement, etc.

Melo needs a Batman who can look at him and tell him to play team ball. Or he needs to be traded for lots of picks IMHO.

martin--I think hes going to LA after the season w kobe--how can the KNicks sit at .188 land and allow Melo to walk for 0 compensation?

BRIGGS wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:I will say I really overrated the value of our package for Melo. I was wrong about that. We really did trade spare parts and low level picks.

TFK.. you always talk about what a tragedy it is to pay Melo $20mm a year plus, but the reality is $20mm a year is much better spent on Melo then a combined Gallo/Chandler/Mosgov.

That right there is the gist of it. You can stick spare parts around Melo.. guys like Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Copeland, bla bla bla and you make the playoffs. Stick the same spare parts around Chandler/Gallo/Mosgov and they are a lottery team.

I dont love Melo here, we cant build this thing right to get the most out of his talent with this retarded owner so its pointless, but in terms of value? I once thought the Knicks got fleeced. We didnt. we made out just fine. Its the moves after we totally yacked up

+1
This. All day, everyday.

We read Melo blew up the team. We read over and over about Melo forcing to trade half the team away. What team?

It's wasted typing though. tkf would trade melo straight up for the rights to Darko's dog. Make that Darko's dog's sheehit.

Remember the miles of threads showing us how great Denver was after the trade? How they were building for the future? How Karl's genius was finally going to show through? How Gallo was going to be everything at both ends that Melo never would be, in the playoffs and beyond?

Hello? It's the future gentlemen.

how is that working out for us now? we have better than spare parts and we suck...

according to you what stars do denver have? yet they won 57 games last year... they have won more games than us every year since the trade.. even right now, up to this point they are a game better and they don't even have gallo playing..

plus the picks, lord forbids we miss the playoffs and win the lottery..

this kind of talk is just foolish.. absolutely foolish.. carmelo is a waste of 20million dollars.. not money well spent... you guys can fool yourselves all you want..

the proof is in the pudding

3-7 and counting..

First round and out. Say that to yourself.
they won 57 games, but they're first...round...and...out.

I thought the regular season didn't matter? Remember that line of reasoning when everyone on here talks about 54 wins and winning the division?

Try a little consistency, tkf. It might help your coherence.

You'd rather be Utah <---this is sig worthy, dude. Seriously.

DENVER IS now .500 and not healthy

knicks are 3-9 and stink..

say that to yourself Jrod and find another hobby, you not good at this..

regular season matters to teams like Denver who are clearly trying to rebuild..

win now teams like the knicks.. 54 wins and then getting your brains blown out in the playoffs hurts.. no moral victories for these geezers...

jrod sounds like he is Dolan's wife--she may know a little more about basketball than him although that is not saying too much. J rod I second it--Id 100X rather be Utah than the Knicks. In fact Id bet 90% of savvy knick fans would rather be in uTahs position.

BRIGGS, you've sounded like Dolan's jilted groupie mistress since we were what, 1-4? thankfully, you can count on +1's from your fearless leader, tkf. Go buy some pom poms for Utah or mabye you could just ask to borrow tkf's.

Tell me, did you miss tkf last season? Is all this smoothing each other over helping your self-esteem?

Knowledge about Basketball 101:
Melo Sucks
Dolan's an ahole
Melo sucks even more.
Indiana's great.
Denver's the greatest up and coming franchise despite not getting out the first round and firing the COTY.
Melo sucks and is a cancer.
Utah's great.
When all else fails, point to some team with chips and whine.
Talk up the players given away in "The trade", until they don't pan out, then talk up the draft picks.
Wait an entire season to type "WE LOST THE TRADE".
Lather, rinse, repeat.

nehemiah wrote:The problem with jrod's post above is that while he has written "Melo sucks" three times, he doesn't really (like REALLY) comprehend that Melo actually sucks.

Melo doesnt stink hes a great player who does not play team basketball the right way. If Melo made it his goal of having 4-5 assists per game and was part of a team that limited ISO play he'd be much better for the team. He needs a coach to say either play this way--or we'll facilitate you not being here. You cant have such a large asset playing bad team basketball on top of which he can just leave with no Knick compensation. He either needs to comply to a better brand of team basketball and agree to a reduced contract i.e 5 years 100mm(so we can fill out the roster the right way) or I would trad e him to the best offer. Dolan has to understand that Melo is not on Lebron or Durants level of play. He keeps grouping him in there--but hes not them. He *could* be a part of a great team but he needs to play the right way and he cant take 30mm per.

While I pine for the glory days of the early 70's, I'd settle for the hard core Oakley-Ewing Knicks of the 90's. That was a competitive team year in and year out.

I hope we all remember how NOT to do things once this era is over. Starphucking never, ever works, at least for us in NY. Donnie had it right, patience and building through smart cap moves and the draft are the way to go. Am so glad for him in Indiana, and will be pulling for the Pacers to go all the way and get him a ring for his twilight career days.

If there is a god s/he will find a way to get the Knicks out of Dolan's evil grip so the organization can cleanse itself, heal, and start anew. It's the only hope I hold out for this once great franchise.

BRIGGS wrote:

nehemiah wrote:The problem with jrod's post above is that while he has written "Melo sucks" three times, he doesn't really (like REALLY) comprehend that Melo actually sucks.

Melo doesnt stink hes a great player who does not play team basketball the right way. If Melo made it his goal of having 4-5 assists per game and was part of a team that limited ISO play he'd be much better for the team. He needs a coach to say either play this way--or we'll facilitate you not being here. You cant have such a large asset playing bad team basketball on top of which he can just leave with no Knick compensation. He either needs to comply to a better brand of team basketball and agree to a reduced contract i.e 5 years 100mm(so we can fill out the roster the right way) or I would trad e him to the best offer. Dolan has to understand that Melo is not on Lebron or Durants level of play. He keeps grouping him in there--but hes not them. He *could* be a part of a great team but he needs to play the right way and he cant take 30mm per.

I agree in general with what you wrote. However, we must not separate Melo's insight into his own game. If he's not making good decisions in order to help a team, your effectiveness is negatively affected. That is also part of what makes a great player -- is good decision making -- this requires a very accurate assessment of one's ability -- and more than anyone, they have to be brutally honest with themselves. Someone who is missing close to 60% of their shots does not have good insight into their game, and has been making poor decisions. This doesn't automatically mean that Melo shouldn't shoot as often. He may actually not be taking some shots he should take -- these are split second decisions and require very good instincts.

And when you take the above and incorporate it into analyzing Melo's game, he sucks. In fact, I think they would have a better record without Melo this year (so far).

Rookie wrote:You know...the more I think about it, Melo to the Clippers for Griffin might be more realistic. They want to win now and Melo and CP3 can build their big 3 with Jordan.

realistic to who? I doubt the clippers do that.. you do realize blake is averaging 21/11 on 54% shooting along with 3 dimes( more than carmelo) and he takes 7 less shots than carmelo.. blake doesn't have many plays run for him, he is a good facilitator, and is a natural PF.....

why would the clippers even consider this? plus Blakes best years are ahead of him..

nehemiah wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nehemiah wrote:The problem with jrod's post above is that while he has written "Melo sucks" three times, he doesn't really (like REALLY) comprehend that Melo actually sucks.

Melo doesnt stink hes a great player who does not play team basketball the right way. If Melo made it his goal of having 4-5 assists per game and was part of a team that limited ISO play he'd be much better for the team. He needs a coach to say either play this way--or we'll facilitate you not being here. You cant have such a large asset playing bad team basketball on top of which he can just leave with no Knick compensation. He either needs to comply to a better brand of team basketball and agree to a reduced contract i.e 5 years 100mm(so we can fill out the roster the right way) or I would trad e him to the best offer. Dolan has to understand that Melo is not on Lebron or Durants level of play. He keeps grouping him in there--but hes not them. He *could* be a part of a great team but he needs to play the right way and he cant take 30mm per.

I agree in general with what you wrote. However, we must not separate Melo's insight into his own game. If he's not making good decisions in order to help a team, your effectiveness is negatively affected. That is also part of what makes a great player -- is good decision making -- this requires a very accurate assessment of one's ability -- and more than anyone, they have to be brutally honest with themselves. Someone who is missing close to 60% of their shots does not have good insight into their game, and has been making poor decisions. This doesn't automatically mean that Melo shouldn't shoot as often. He may actually not be taking some shots he should take -- these are split second decisions and require very good instincts.

And when you take the above and incorporate it into analyzing Melo's game, he sucks. In fact, I think they would have a better record without Melo this year (so far).

Seriously? Do you even watch or even listen to games? Who else is hitting shots this season? Please tell me. Do you know what you have without Melo this season? 30 point blowout losses. Consistently. Does that sound even vaguely familiar to you?

The only reason we're in games at all this season is because of Melo. And you don't have a JKidd or a Sheed to point to as being the actual MVP carrying the team to bail you out this time.

Melo sucks. You are truly hilarious. Welcome to Somberland. Sorry you couldn't join last season.

Rookie wrote:

tkf wrote:

Rookie wrote:You know...the more I think about it, Melo to the Clippers for Griffin might be more realistic. They want to win now and Melo and CP3 can build their big 3 with Jordan.

realistic to who? I doubt the clippers do that.. you do realize blake is averaging 21/11 on 54% shooting along with 3 dimes( more than carmelo) and he takes 7 less shots than carmelo.. blake doesn't have many plays run for him, he is a good facilitator, and is a natural PF.....

why would the clippers even consider this? plus Blakes best years are ahead of him..

Doc is a coach who could handle Melo. Right now, they are the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best team in the West. Melo could change that for them.

Melo would have an opportunity to take that team to the next level if all goes well, i agree with that. If we had to part ways with him, this would be our best oppportunity to get the highest value in return. But i still see Melo as a much better player than Griffin and obviously hope we can retool around him with the right players. These streaky, terrible shooting, no-defense guys we have couldn't even make Lebron look good.

martin wrote:

djsunyc wrote:only player i dislike more than melo is rudy gay. y'all want him too?

anyways...melo created a bidding war between bk and ny for his services guaranteeing the team that was the "winner" was going to leave their cupboard bare. so unlike many other "stars", his priority was getting to ny anyway he could along with the $$$'s. so the deal may have been made by dolan but melo played a big part.

if he walks, which he can, then he would replace lebron as the most hated player by knicks fans. it would be tough to turn down $30 mil tho but he could do it. knicks are so lucky the east is garbage, especially the atlantic. a sub .500 record may get the #4 seed. and you can't really trade him now unless it's to a team he will sign with next year. knicks are fubared.

I really only watch the Knicks and then some highlight games along the way but Melo and Felton top my list, and Melo is first by a long shot.

Dude only puts energy into ISO ball and rebounding for himself. Zero energy staying with his man - I watch switching in particular with the Knicks to see which guys are giving effort and which are not, and Melo and Felton will switch with the lightest of picks. Melo has zero concern for defense outside of making a show of getting a defensive rebound. Zero.

Melo's decision-making is just above JR's but certainly very low. The inane fouls, lazy switching when the switch will end up being something like Anderson on Felton, stopping of ball movement, etc.

Melo needs a Batman who can look at him and tell him to play team ball. Or he needs to be traded for lots of picks IMHO.

Melo needs and "Alfred", a wise man who Melo respects. Billups helped him in Denver, Kidd and Rashweed did here.

All the while I thought it was Woodson last year that kept Melo and JR in check.

BRIGGS wrote:

nehemiah wrote:The problem with jrod's post above is that while he has written "Melo sucks" three times, he doesn't really (like REALLY) comprehend that Melo actually sucks.

Melo doesnt stink hes a great player who does not play team basketball the right way. If Melo made it his goal of having 4-5 assists per game and was part of a team that limited ISO play he'd be much better for the team. He needs a coach to say either play this way--or we'll facilitate you not being here. You cant have such a large asset playing bad team basketball on top of which he can just leave with no Knick compensation. He either needs to comply to a better brand of team basketball and agree to a reduced contract i.e 5 years 100mm(so we can fill out the roster the right way) or I would trad e him to the best offer. Dolan has to understand that Melo is not on Lebron or Durants level of play. He keeps grouping him in there--but hes not them. He *could* be a part of a great team but he needs to play the right way and he cant take 30mm per.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nehemiah wrote:The problem with jrod's post above is that while he has written "Melo sucks" three times, he doesn't really (like REALLY) comprehend that Melo actually sucks.

Melo doesnt stink hes a great player who does not play team basketball the right way. If Melo made it his goal of having 4-5 assists per game and was part of a team that limited ISO play he'd be much better for the team. He needs a coach to say either play this way--or we'll facilitate you not being here. You cant have such a large asset playing bad team basketball on top of which he can just leave with no Knick compensation. He either needs to comply to a better brand of team basketball and agree to a reduced contract i.e 5 years 100mm(so we can fill out the roster the right way) or I would trad e him to the best offer. Dolan has to understand that Melo is not on Lebron or Durants level of play. He keeps grouping him in there--but hes not them. He *could* be a part of a great team but he needs to play the right way and he cant take 30mm per.

How can someone be a great player but not play the right way or play team basketball? Maybe you mean he has a great range of skills and is very flashy - he's good for highlight films. That doesn't make you a great player though.

Hes got tremendous NBA talent--but hes not the best team player.