holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I don't know Felton's stats but he was looking to score more this game which is what we need. The offense stagnates when he defers too much.

That's where Pablo helps him a lot

When Felton was running the point he was picking the right moments to take it to the rim, shoot. last few games he hasn't been as agressive. Some of it had to do with the porous D but even against tougher teams he has to keep the defense honest. It does help as we'll to have a willing passer like Pablo but I give Felton most of the credit.

The team is better when Felton is aggressive...It opens up everything...In the third, the pick and pop with Bargs was beautiful to watch ...The offence ran off that..It was really nice to see the office run without Melo...Felton did a great job getting Bargs the looks, and Pablo was on the bench...

I agree, Felton was aggressive without forcing the issue which is exactly what we need right now. You're right about bargs too, they're starting to get on the same page.

But I think it's very important for Melo to lay back and let the team play and gain confidence ...He has to play the way he did tonight going forward, do the little things, rebound more..

He played like a leader tonight. No complaints. He also looked for bargs when he was deep in the post.

My point has always been this..If Melo played with another scorer or another star, this is the way he will play...Durant playing without Westbrook was putting up Melo type numbers...Key tho was ball movement ..I loved that Bargs got into his groove..Lets see if he builds on that..

YOU ARE So hung up on that false point.... It is going to continue to make you look bad....

Just do me a favor, look it up yourself, I refuse to do the legwork for u...Last year playoffs and early this season... Look it up...And if I'm wrong, you can post it right here and embarrass me..I dare u..

OK, so basically we should see this the rest of the season.. if not, please shut up about durant.. I don't understand why you want to keep bringing Durant down to carmelo's level..

Do yourself a favor as well.. go post Durants and westbrook numbers last night.. westbrook stunk up the joint, yet durant put up a super efficient 37 points on 15 shots, and that happens quite often... please stop with your conspiracy carmelo can be durant in an alternate universe theory....

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I don't know Felton's stats but he was looking to score more this game which is what we need. The offense stagnates when he defers too much.

That's where Pablo helps him a lot

When Felton was running the point he was picking the right moments to take it to the rim, shoot. last few games he hasn't been as agressive. Some of it had to do with the porous D but even against tougher teams he has to keep the defense honest. It does help as we'll to have a willing passer like Pablo but I give Felton most of the credit.

The team is better when Felton is aggressive...It opens up everything...In the third, the pick and pop with Bargs was beautiful to watch ...The offence ran off that..It was really nice to see the office run without Melo...Felton did a great job getting Bargs the looks, and Pablo was on the bench...

I agree, Felton was aggressive without forcing the issue which is exactly what we need right now. You're right about bargs too, they're starting to get on the same page.

But I think it's very important for Melo to lay back and let the team play and gain confidence ...He has to play the way he did tonight going forward, do the little things, rebound more..

He played like a leader tonight. No complaints. He also looked for bargs when he was deep in the post.

My point has always been this..If Melo played with another scorer or another star, this is the way he will play...Durant playing without Westbrook was putting up Melo type numbers...Key tho was ball movement ..I loved that Bargs got into his groove..Lets see if he builds on that..

YOU ARE So hung up on that false point.... It is going to continue to make you look bad....

Just do me a favor, look it up yourself, I refuse to do the legwork for u...Last year playoffs and early this season... Look it up...And if I'm wrong, you can post it right here and embarrass me..I dare u..

OK, so basically we should see this the rest of the season.. if not, please shut up about durant.. I don't understand why you want to keep bringing Durant down to carmelo's level..

Do yourself a favor as well.. go post Durants and westbrook numbers last night.. westbrook stunk up the joint, yet durant put up a super efficient 37 points on 15 shots, and that happens quite often... please stop with your conspiracy carmelo can be durant in an alternate universe theory....

I don't ever recall making any such statement..U might be confusing me with some one else..What I did say however, If u don't have another star playing next to u, defense will key on you and your numbers will look poor...You will have to put up as much shots as Melo does to win...U will have the series Melo had against Indy...And I said the same thing has happened to Durant, look at his numbers...Only difference is that this has defined Melo's career..Durant has been without another guy to take the pressure off him about 10-15 games but u see the difference in his play...My argument has always been, put another star next to Melo, he can't do it all alone...

only when he takes a 50% paycut will you ever have proof that this can happen. until then there is plenty of beer to cry in....

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I don't know Felton's stats but he was looking to score more this game which is what we need. The offense stagnates when he defers too much.

That's where Pablo helps him a lot

When Felton was running the point he was picking the right moments to take it to the rim, shoot. last few games he hasn't been as agressive. Some of it had to do with the porous D but even against tougher teams he has to keep the defense honest. It does help as we'll to have a willing passer like Pablo but I give Felton most of the credit.

The team is better when Felton is aggressive...It opens up everything...In the third, the pick and pop with Bargs was beautiful to watch ...The offence ran off that..It was really nice to see the office run without Melo...Felton did a great job getting Bargs the looks, and Pablo was on the bench...

I agree, Felton was aggressive without forcing the issue which is exactly what we need right now. You're right about bargs too, they're starting to get on the same page.

But I think it's very important for Melo to lay back and let the team play and gain confidence ...He has to play the way he did tonight going forward, do the little things, rebound more..

He played like a leader tonight. No complaints. He also looked for bargs when he was deep in the post.

My point has always been this..If Melo played with another scorer or another star, this is the way he will play...Durant playing without Westbrook was putting up Melo type numbers...Key tho was ball movement ..I loved that Bargs got into his groove..Lets see if he builds on that..

YOU ARE So hung up on that false point.... It is going to continue to make you look bad....

Just do me a favor, look it up yourself, I refuse to do the legwork for u...Last year playoffs and early this season... Look it up...And if I'm wrong, you can post it right here and embarrass me..I dare u..

OK, so basically we should see this the rest of the season.. if not, please shut up about durant.. I don't understand why you want to keep bringing Durant down to carmelo's level..

Do yourself a favor as well.. go post Durants and westbrook numbers last night.. westbrook stunk up the joint, yet durant put up a super efficient 37 points on 15 shots, and that happens quite often... please stop with your conspiracy carmelo can be durant in an alternate universe theory....

I don't ever recall making any such statement..U might be confusing me with some one else..What I did say however, If u don't have another star playing next to u, defense will key on you and your numbers will look poor...You will have to put up as much shots as Melo does to win...U will have the series Melo had against Indy...And I said the same thing has happened to Durant, look at his numbers...Only difference is that this has defined Melo's career..Durant has been without another guy to take the pressure off him about 10-15 games but u see the difference in his play...My argument has always been, put another star next to Melo, he can't do it all alone...

only when he takes a 50% paycut will you ever have proof that this can happen. until then there is plenty of beer to cry in....

Humor me, who has taken a 50% paycut??

people who realize they have been grossly overpaid and who want to win before it's too late.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:and what do you call people who think the knicks can win a title without him taking a paycut?

Swap Amare (salary) with Chris Paul (salary) and you don't think the Knicks have a chance as constructed??

in that unlikely scenario the knicks would have a much better chance, yes. but are you suggesting this is a real possibility?

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:and what do you call people who think the knicks can win a title without him taking a paycut?

Swap Amare (salary) with Chris Paul (salary) and you don't think the Knicks have a chance as constructed??

in that unlikely scenario the knicks would have a much better chance, yes. but are you suggesting this is a real possibility?

So it's not about his salary as it's about getting the pieces around him...

you don't get chris paul unless melo takes a paycut that is in keeping with his actual value. pual is not available until 2017. so i guess the stat for paul scenario was just you trying to make this ridiculous point of getting the right pieces around him as though he is a player you can actually build around, and at 31 years of age come 2015-2016 and 32 years old in 2017?!? breathtaking

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:and what do you call people who think the knicks can win a title without him taking a paycut?

Swap Amare (salary) with Chris Paul (salary) and you don't think the Knicks have a chance as constructed??

in that unlikely scenario the knicks would have a much better chance, yes. but are you suggesting this is a real possibility?

So it's not about his salary as it's about getting the pieces around him...

you don't get chris paul unless melo takes a paycut that is in keeping with his actual value. pual is not available until 2017. so i guess the stat for paul scenario was just you trying to make this ridiculous point of getting the right pieces around him as though he is a player you can actually build around, and at 31 years of age come 2015-2016 and 32 years old in 2017?!? breathtaking

You are taking it a little too literal..I know the Knicks can't get Chris Paul..My point is you can still put two big stars together and the pieces around them to make a run at a ring without your ridiculous 50% salary reduction scenario which will never happen...

knickscity wrote:wasnt gonna quote that big blurb, but DK....

Do you think Melo is a 12 mil per season player? I'm asking only because of the grossly overpaid comment and taking a 50% paycut.

i have been asserting that if he wants a shot at at title in a knick uniform he should not ask for more than 14 million a year.

this is a separate and different concept from what the market will bear when he decides to pursue free agency... although i expect many posters to conflate the two notions, as carmelo anthony himself is bound to do as well.

yes there will be a few teams who would be in a position and even willing to pay him top dollar, although i have to think if he doesn't truly elevate his game this season he will have far fewer suitors.

i see him as a second tier player not deserving of anything near a max contract.

his mindset is "melo" first, "team melo is playing for" second.
money first and winning second.
price first and value second.

and as you know there are many posters who weirdly and stubbornly endorse his position.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:and what do you call people who think the knicks can win a title without him taking a paycut?

Swap Amare (salary) with Chris Paul (salary) and you don't think the Knicks have a chance as constructed??

in that unlikely scenario the knicks would have a much better chance, yes. but are you suggesting this is a real possibility?

So it's not about his salary as it's about getting the pieces around him...

you don't get chris paul unless melo takes a paycut that is in keeping with his actual value. pual is not available until 2017. so i guess the stat for paul scenario was just you trying to make this ridiculous point of getting the right pieces around him as though he is a player you can actually build around, and at 31 years of age come 2015-2016 and 32 years old in 2017?!? breathtaking

You are taking it a little too literal..I know the Knicks can't get Chris Paul..My point is you can still put two big stars together and the pieces around them to make a run at a ring without your ridiculous 50% salary reduction scenario which will never happen...

the Knicks did put two stars together and neither took a paycut.

One just isnt able anymore.

Isn't that the point...If Amare was able we wouldn't have this discussion...Also, name one NBA player(star) who would take a 50% pay cut to join Melo in NY...Save you the reply, none, so why even bring it up...

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:wasnt gonna quote that big blurb, but DK....

Do you think Melo is a 12 mil per season player? I'm asking only because of the grossly overpaid comment and taking a 50% paycut.

i have been asserting that if he wants a shot at at title in a knick uniform he should not ask for more than 14 million a year.

this is a separate and different concept from what the market will bear when he decides to pursue free agency... although i expect many posters to conflate the two notions, as carmelo anthony himself is bound to do as well.

yes there will be a few teams who would be in a position and even willing to pay him top dollar, although i have to think if he doesn't truly elevate his game this season he will have far fewer suitors.

i see him as a second tier player not deserving of anything near a max contract.

his mindset is "melo" first, "team melo is playing for" second.
money first and winning second.
price first and value second.

and as you know there are many posters who weirdly and stubbornly endorse his position.

Now I do agree, he's hurting any chance he might have if he takes his max instead of the new cba max, but if he takes his then go out and perform up to that level in every facet, with no complaints of needing help.