knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we here that melo is agitating for change or he walks?

oooooh the irony.

According to several sources, Dolan was also said to be, according to several sources. said a Grunwald confidante

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Why is Fields and Amare on your list? Fields wasnt traded, he should have been in hindsight of course and Amare was a Walsh signing too.

As far as Shumpert goes, if he is traded, just bring back a player that is an upgrade and I'm good.

I like him, but there's plenty of NBA players that are better.

knickscity wrote:What does Monta and BJ have to do with this?

Those are the kind of players this regime has targeted in the past for a young guy like shumpert. Castoffs no one wants because of the Knicks salary cap situation

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Damage caused by who? Dolan (I hope you're not talking about Melo)? A lot of those things you either can't blame on them or actually turned out well for us.

dolan is always the source of the bad, ultimately. but you can't say with a straight face, given http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments that melo is merely an innocent victim here, having no ability to catalyze anything.

or can you? in my opinion dolan and melo are made for each other, they enable each others considerable weaknesses. where they are destruction cannot be far off.

have you ever heard of "malignant narcissism" or "malignant narcissists?" 'cause that is what has been going down here. a classic case in fact, plain as day.

marbury same
thomas same
mills likely the same

gunsnewing wrote:Maybe resigning JR when he needed knee surgery had something to do with Grunwald getting axed

Gotta be something more recent, this wasnt a calculated decision, it was made in the moment.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we here that melo is agitating for change or he walks?

oooooh the irony.

Didn't see anything in Isola's articles about Anthony but it makes sense that some would spin this against him. In regards to Isola, the guy has no sources and rarely is able to break a story because of the Knicks media policy. From his piece.

According to several sources, Dolan was also said to be, according to several sources. said a Grunwald confidante

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/grunwald-knicks-gm-replaced-mills-article-1.1468357
Isola has complained on numerous occasions about the Knicks media policy and the lack of any flow of information. A lot of speculation and rehashing of the fact that Dolan is impulsive, irrational and often appears to be making moves for headlines. The move makes no sense. It doesn't appear that any explanation other then 'just plain nuts' will be given.

sorry but i had to rewrite my original post. isola is free from dolan's msg sphere of influence... which does not mean he doesn't have a good idea of what is going on just as anyone else would, such as a more respected columnist like howard beck :http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments

isola has been banned from msg for speaking truth to power.... point blank period.

no other explanation than "just plain nuts" is necessary. this is james dolan we are speaking about. decent people do not last long at msg, only scumbags and lowlifes have staying power, including certain players... na' mean?

As one rival team executive said of Thursday’s moves: “It was all to keep Carmelo.”

The same executive said he believed that, if the decision had to be made now, Anthony would leave.

Anthony is said to be agitating for change, for help on the court, for reassurance that the Knicks are capable of acquiring elite talent. If he elects to stay next summer, it will have to be with the confidence that the Knicks can land another star in 2015, when they are expected to have millions in cap room.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we here that melo is agitating for change or he walks?

oooooh the irony.

Didn't see anything in Isola's articles about Anthony but it makes sense that some would spin this against him. In regards to Isola, the guy has no sources and rarely is able to break a story because of the Knicks media policy. From his piece.

According to several sources, Dolan was also said to be, according to several sources. said a Grunwald confidante

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/grunwald-knicks-gm-replaced-mills-article-1.1468357
Isola has complained on numerous occasions about the Knicks media policy and the lack of any flow of information. A lot of speculation and rehashing of the fact that Dolan is impulsive, irrational and often appears to be making moves for headlines. The move makes no sense. It doesn't appear that any explanation other then 'just plain nuts' will be given.

sorry but i had to rewrite my original post. isola is free from dolan's msg sphere of influence... which does not mean he doesn't have a good idea of what is going on just as anyone else would, such as a more respected columnist like howard beck :http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments

isola has been banned from msg for speaking truth to power.... point blank period.

no other explanation than "just plain nuts" is necessary. this is james dolan we are speaking about. decent people do not last long at msg, only scumbags and lowlifes have staying power, including certain players... na' mean?

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:If Isola's piece is true and Dolan didn't think we improved enough over the summer, what the heck did he want Grunnie to do. We had a late 1st rounder, no second round pick, no cap space, one tiny MMLE, no ability to sign and trade, and every extra dollar of salary we aquirred would lead to a massive tax bill. Guess Dolan was the moron who demanded we try and get Monta Ellis.

dolan isnt a rational person, he wont think like that, what he will do is get pissed that the Nets are getting a ton of praise while the Knicks are being dismissed.

thats enough for Dolan to react.

isn't dolan the same fellow who brokered a trade for carmelo anthony, gutting the team of valuable assets, and hamstringing the team financially for the ensuing campaigns? and now we hear that melo is agitating for change or he walks? let's tally up the collateral damage:

fields
gallinari
chandler
mozgov
stat
walsh
d'antoni
lin
grunwald

on tap is shumpert.

Damage caused by who? Dolan (I hope you're not talking about Melo)? A lot of those things you either can't blame on them or actually turned out well for us.

dolan is always the source of the bad, ultimately. but you can't say with a straight face, given http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1789193-knicks-front-office-shakeup-grunwald-out-mills-in-and-melo-in-the-middle#comments that melo is merely an innocent victim here, having no ability to catalyze anything.

or can you? in my opinion dolan and melo are made for each other, they enable each others considerable weaknesses. where they are destruction cannot be far off.

have you ever heard of "malignant narcissism" or "malignant narcissists?" 'cause that is what has been going down here. a classic case in fact, plain as day.

marbury same
thomas same
mills likely the same

Look, I'm not denying that Melo has some influence within the organization. Probably every franchise player does. However, I dont believe he orchestrated firing Grunwald in this situation. This was Dolan getting his buddy back into MSG. Nothing to do with Melo, in my opinion.

You ever wonder why some of these guys are still Knicks fans?? They hate the management they hate the star players or even the team. So why are they here. Every thing that's wrong with this team is Melo's fault. It's sick. And they repeat the same damn thing over and over again. Dolan owns this team whether we like it or not. It ain't changing. So its best for them to move to another team that they like and is willing to root for and that is any team who ain't the Knicks.

The point is that Carmelo wanted to come here. If he wants to stay here and win he should take less money. If he wants a max extension at 30 years old then he should start looking elsewhere. Giving a guy 60% of the money on your cap while being a mediocre team is not my idea of success. I'd rather rebuild than go through that.