nixluva wrote:OH GEEZ! Come on man. You can't compare the ability to pump fake and drive of Bargnani to NOvak. Sure you can find a few plays where Novak shocked the world and drove all the way to the basket, but the instances are few and far between compared to Bargnani who is known to have a very good pump fake and drive ability. Also it's the many other aspects of Bargnani's game that are explained in the article that BigDaddyG posted.

It had nothing to do with bargnani.

Most defenders never chased Novak off the line...they planted him there and dared him to shoot over people.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Sounds nice. If Bargnani is replacing Novak, I'm not sure why they think this change will improve the floor spreading and create more open shots though.

This article explains it: http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/8/28/4664514/knickstape-what-can-andrea-bargnani-bring-to-the-table

Defenders play Novak differently because he doesn't have an escape dribble move and he won't take it all the way to the hoop. A defender can cheat off of Novak more than they could if they were guarding Bargnani.

Here's an example of Novak being run off the three-point line by a defender while the Knicks are in transition:

I'm not sure that's relevant to the specific issue of setting up open perimeter shots for the player in question (either Novak or Bargnani). Bargnani is more versatile and that has the potential to help in other regards. What I'm focusing on, though, is that I keep hearing people say that the team is going to set up wide open perimeter shots for Bargnani and I don't see how they're going to do that if they couldn't do it for Novak.

Although I've contended melo doesnt need that, he is excellent at creating space, and drawing fouls when the defender wont give it to him.

But i do think Novak should have shot alot of those shots he passed on..sometimes his defnder was spotting him at least 5-6 inches of height.

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knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:OH GEEZ! Come on man. You can't compare the ability to pump fake and drive of Bargnani to NOvak. Sure you can find a few plays where Novak shocked the world and drove all the way to the basket, but the instances are few and far between compared to Bargnani who is known to have a very good pump fake and drive ability. Also it's the many other aspects of Bargnani's game that are explained in the article that BigDaddyG posted.

Quit overreacting, the poster said Novak cannot do something, thus defenders defend him differently...the video showed he can.

It had nothing to do with bargnani.

Most defenders never chased Novak off the line...they planted him there and dared him to shoot over people.

However you want to describe what went down with Novak, the point is that Bargnani will provide much more variety in how he can be used whereas Novak simply wasn't as effective doing other things and in the playoffs he was even less effective.

What you're talking about I wasnt, and that isnt even questioned.

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knickscity wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Sounds nice. If Bargnani is replacing Novak, I'm not sure why they think this change will improve the floor spreading and create more open shots though.

This article explains it: http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/8/28/4664514/knickstape-what-can-andrea-bargnani-bring-to-the-table

Defenders play Novak differently because he doesn't have an escape dribble move and he won't take it all the way to the hoop. A defender can cheat off of Novak more than they could if they were guarding Bargnani.

Here's an example of Novak being run off the three-point line by a defender while the Knicks are in transition:

there's probably a video for everything in the NBA.

Yeah, but one clip is of game that's still in doubt and the other one is video of garbage time. I think I saw Camby shuffling about in that video you submitted.

Who the opponent was is irrelevant and both opponents were trash.

What you said is false...the video proves it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but are NBA scouts wrong: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/37578/more-motion-ball-movement-will-help-novak

Maybe Tom Haberstroh is wrong too:

Scouting report
+ Long, world-class spot-up shooter but one-trick pony. Deadly trailer in transition
+ Almost never dribbles or steps foot into lane. Plays game like a 3-point competitor
+ Much improved defensively but still on roller skates there. Full knowledge of his limited role

In fact, I don't why Woody kept nagging Novak about improving his ability to shoot off of one or two dribbles. He was obviously wrong. Your video clip of the Knicks playing in garbage time proves it.

I was only responding to what YOU said, not a scout, and you actually quote the scout stating he "almost never goes into the lane".

That should be proof enough that the capability was there.

But anywho the last line sums Novak perfectly...he had a limited role, a role that Woody wants Bargnani to take along with molding his game.

Say what you will but Woody is trying to invent a better Novak of course with a more diverse skillset.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/10/knicks-thrilled-raptors-gave-up-on-bargnani/

“The beauty of Bargnani is he’s going to find out he’s going to have a lot of wide-open threes the way we play,’’ Woodson said. “He can make threes, put the ball on the floor and he can post up. He’s a triple threat in terms of scoring the ball.’’

BigDaddyG wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Sounds nice. If Bargnani is replacing Novak, I'm not sure why they think this change will improve the floor spreading and create more open shots though.

This article explains it: http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/8/28/4664514/knickstape-what-can-andrea-bargnani-bring-to-the-table

Defenders play Novak differently because he doesn't have an escape dribble move and he won't take it all the way to the hoop. A defender can cheat off of Novak more than they could if they were guarding Bargnani.

Here's an example of Novak being run off the three-point line by a defender while the Knicks are in transition:

there's probably a video for everything in the NBA.

Yeah, but one clip is of game that's still in doubt and the other one is video of garbage time. I think I saw Camby shuffling about in that video you submitted.

Who the opponent was is irrelevant and both opponents were trash.

What you said is false...the video proves it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but are NBA scouts wrong: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/37578/more-motion-ball-movement-will-help-novak

Maybe Tom Haberstroh is wrong too:

Scouting report
+ Long, world-class spot-up shooter but one-trick pony. Deadly trailer in transition
+ Almost never dribbles or steps foot into lane. Plays game like a 3-point competitor
+ Much improved defensively but still on roller skates there. Full knowledge of his limited role

In fact, I don't why Woody kept nagging Novak about improving his ability to shoot off of one or two dribbles. He was obviously wrong. Your video clip of the Knicks playing in garbage time proves it.

Actual video proves something can be done regardless of when it was, not sure why you're debating what you can actually see.

I was only responding to what YOU said, not a scout, and you actually quote the scout stating he "almost never goes into the lane".

That should be proof enough that the capability was there.

But anywho the last line sums Novak perfectly...he had a limited role, a role that Woody wants Bargnani to take along with molding his game.

Say what you will but Woody is trying to invent a better Novak of course with a more diverse skillset.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/10/knicks-thrilled-raptors-gave-up-on-bargnani/

“The beauty of Bargnani is he’s going to find out he’s going to have a lot of wide-open threes the way we play,’’ Woodson said. “He can make threes, put the ball on the floor and he can post up. He’s a triple threat in terms of scoring the ball.’’

If you show me video of Novak doing it consistently in meaningful minutes, I'll agree with you. The scout's quote implies nothing about Novak's ability to use an escape dribble or his ability to drive in the lane. He just says Novak never goes into to the lane. Maybe it's because of childhood trauma? Maybe it's because of stiff legs? The scout does say that Novak needs to work on his dribbling. Is the capability there. I guess. The capability exists in all of us. Can Novak do it now, consistently in meaningful minutes? I've seen him play enough times to say no.

Or maybe it's because everyone use novak in the best way he's capable.

I'm from the school of "if you do it once, you can do it again"

But it wasnt his role.

Bonn1997 wrote:Bargnani and Melo may improve each other's games a little. We can at least hope. I don't see how they'd ever form a championship-level one-two scoring combo though - not when other teams have Lebron-Wade, Durant-Westbrook, Harden-Howard, or Parker-Duncan one-two combos.

As for Bargs creating more space I don't know how you can judge that. What I do think is that because of his versatility if Bargs is on defenders will be in a conundrum trying to defend him. With Novak you could lay off and defend him with a small guy that can close hard which would take away all the work an offense did to get the defense of balance. Because Bargs can actually put the ball on the ground to score he puts more pressure on the D and possibly keeps the D off balance. The key will be him making the simple passes as the D rotates when he drives.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bargnani and Melo may improve each other's games a little. We can at least hope. I don't see how they'd ever form a championship-level one-two scoring combo though - not when other teams have Lebron-Wade, Durant-Westbrook, Harden-Howard, or Parker-Duncan one-two combos.

Bargs seems to be a great third option...We do have a lot of talent do and we are deep...We need another guy to step up his play...Bargs and JR as your third and fourth option can make a very good team...

Is Melo 1st and 2nd option?

He might be referring to the PnR with Chandler that is the engine of the offense.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bargnani and Melo may improve each other's games a little. We can at least hope. I don't see how they'd ever form a championship-level one-two scoring combo though - not when other teams have Lebron-Wade, Durant-Westbrook, Harden-Howard, or Parker-Duncan one-two combos.

Bargs seems to be a great third option...We do have a lot of talent do and we are deep...We need another guy to step up his play...Bargs and JR as your third and fourth option can make a very good team...

Is Melo 1st and 2nd option?

Top 2 or 3 scorer in the game ??..I'll say first