CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the league is trending towards advanced stats and advanced stats players.

gallinari is an advanced stat player. his floor impact is not as obvious to the untrained eye but it is there.

he's a bargain at the contract he was immediately offered.

exactly

So advanced stats outweigh the fact that his regular stats suck? Do advanced stats give any credence to the other players the "advanced stat" guy is playing with on the court?

The funny thing is that if Galloput up those numbers in a Knicks uniform people would be screaming for his head but since he's in Denver and some BS advanced stats say he's better than his crap numbers all is good.

Liked Gallo a ton before the trade but the fact remains that the term "potential" has been used to describe him since he came into the league. He's going into his 7th year and shoots slightly better than Ray Felton.

I didn't know his regular season stats sucked.. all I know is that when he is on the floor.. the nuggets were a good team.. 57 wins good..

but he did say that the league is trending towards advanced stats, so make of it what you may...

16.2 PPG 4.7 RPG 2.5 ASTS on .418% shooting. The key is the Nuggets were a good team period. The Nuggets went 7-3 without him in the regular season and IMHO even with Gallo the Nuggets don't get passed the Warriors.

Personally I don't see how the league is trending towards advanced stats but I of course could be wrong as advanced stats state that Gallo is a much better player than he actually is.

FG% is so 90s. You're ignoring that he shoots very well from 3 point range, does a good amount of damage from the foul line, and has a great assist:to ratio.
Once you factor all that in, you get a player who scores about 109 points per 100 possessions while giving up 102 per 100 possessions, which is pretty darn good (http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGeneral.html?MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame&sortField=PLAYER_NAME&sortOrder=ASC&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&rowsPerPage=100&filters=GP*GE*40).
That said, I wouldn't glamorize Gallo. I was 50/50 on keeping him past his rookie contract. An 8 figure annual salary is a lot to commit to someone and he had many question marks.

He's had a good year from 3 land this season but his 3PT% is all over the place. He's also a good FT shooter but hasn't gone to the line as often since the NBA nixed the create contact by bringing the ball from below which he was becoming a master at. He doesn't turn the ball over much but also doesn't dish the ball all that well either...2.2 asts vs 1.6 TO's for his career.

I've always liked Gallo, just think that some here make him to be more than he is.

FG% is so 90's? ROFL....good one.

who made him out to me more than he is? did anyone here call him a superstar? Hall of famer? no, some of us felt he was a good young talent with potential.... and that is exactly what he is, and he is turning into a good basketball player. For those of us who hated the trade it was assumed that we felt gallo was the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality we didn't want to trade young assets, good assets, for carmelo... simple.

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the league is trending towards advanced stats and advanced stats players.

gallinari is an advanced stat player. his floor impact is not as obvious to the untrained eye but it is there.

he's a bargain at the contract he was immediately offered.

exactly

So advanced stats outweigh the fact that his regular stats suck? Do advanced stats give any credence to the other players the "advanced stat" guy is playing with on the court?

The funny thing is that if Galloput up those numbers in a Knicks uniform people would be screaming for his head but since he's in Denver and some BS advanced stats say he's better than his crap numbers all is good.

Liked Gallo a ton before the trade but the fact remains that the term "potential" has been used to describe him since he came into the league. He's going into his 7th year and shoots slightly better than Ray Felton.

I didn't know his regular season stats sucked.. all I know is that when he is on the floor.. the nuggets were a good team.. 57 wins good..

but he did say that the league is trending towards advanced stats, so make of it what you may...

16.2 PPG 4.7 RPG 2.5 ASTS on .418% shooting. The key is the Nuggets were a good team period. The Nuggets went 7-3 without him in the regular season and IMHO even with Gallo the Nuggets don't get passed the Warriors.

Personally I don't see how the league is trending towards advanced stats but I of course could be wrong as advanced stats state that Gallo is a much better player than he actually is.

FG% is so 90s. You're ignoring that he shoots very well from 3 point range, does a good amount of damage from the foul line, and has a great assist:to ratio.
Once you factor all that in, you get a player who scores about 109 points per 100 possessions while giving up 102 per 100 possessions, which is pretty darn good (http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGeneral.html?MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame&sortField=PLAYER_NAME&sortOrder=ASC&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&rowsPerPage=100&filters=GP*GE*40).
That said, I wouldn't glamorize Gallo. I was 50/50 on keeping him past his rookie contract. An 8 figure annual salary is a lot to commit to someone and he had many question marks.

He's had a good year from 3 land this season but his 3PT% is all over the place. He's also a good FT shooter but hasn't gone to the line as often since the NBA nixed the create contact by bringing the ball from below which he was becoming a master at. He doesn't turn the ball over much but also doesn't dish the ball all that well either...2.2 asts vs 1.6 TO's for his career.

I've always liked Gallo, just think that some here make him to be more than he is.

FG% is so 90's? ROFL....good one.

who made him out to me more than he is? did anyone here call him a superstar? Hall of famer? no, some of us felt he was a good young talent with potential.... and that is exactly what he is, and he is turning into a good basketball player. For those of us who hated the trade it was assumed that we felt gallo was the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality we didn't want to trade young assets, good assets, for carmelo... simple.

He's always been a good basketball player but he hasn't gotten much better either. The guy is going into his 7th year in the league and what you see from his is what you're going to get. People just want to contuniously harp over the trade like it happened yesterday. For example trading young, good assets. Yup Chandler, Gallo, Moz, picks, blah, blah, blah.

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

The trade is done and Melo is here. People need to learn to deal with it or move on to the Nuggets, Rockets or whatever other team they choose to root for.

nice try, but he is going into his 6th year in the league and really just his 5th considering his rookie year was shot... and if you think he hasn't gotten better, well either you don't know much about basketball, are blind or just don't watch him play.. either way the comment is somewhat hilarious.. anyway I know where that stems from, so I will move on.. lol

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

again, not sure why you keep adding years to his time in the league, I guess you feel it supports your argument, but gallo didn't have a torn acl at the time of the trade so what does that have to do with anything... You guys feel shumpert is the next paul George coming off a torn ACL so by those standards, gallo is headed for dirksville I guess.. smh

And if you think Gallo is the only asset we gave up, I guess we can ignore chandler, and moz, and i find it funny how you guys bag on moz yet put hope in that broken down camby.. a guy whom we gave up second round picks to acquire and now we are looking to buy a second round pick.. rofl..

also the first round pick and the swap in 2016 have a ton of value.. if not, then lets just give up our first round pick this year, since you feel it isn't much of an asset.. you guys crack me up man..

the fact is, some of us didn't want to make this trade because it was just way too much for an overrated, one dimensional 43%/23 shot per game chucker, with the worst active playoff record in NBA history..

I'm sorry, but make this about gallo all you want.. some of us just didn't want this hump...

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the league is trending towards advanced stats and advanced stats players.

gallinari is an advanced stat player. his floor impact is not as obvious to the untrained eye but it is there.

he's a bargain at the contract he was immediately offered.

exactly

So advanced stats outweigh the fact that his regular stats suck? Do advanced stats give any credence to the other players the "advanced stat" guy is playing with on the court?

The funny thing is that if Galloput up those numbers in a Knicks uniform people would be screaming for his head but since he's in Denver and some BS advanced stats say he's better than his crap numbers all is good.

Liked Gallo a ton before the trade but the fact remains that the term "potential" has been used to describe him since he came into the league. He's going into his 7th year and shoots slightly better than Ray Felton.

I didn't know his regular season stats sucked.. all I know is that when he is on the floor.. the nuggets were a good team.. 57 wins good..

but he did say that the league is trending towards advanced stats, so make of it what you may...

16.2 PPG 4.7 RPG 2.5 ASTS on .418% shooting. The key is the Nuggets were a good team period. The Nuggets went 7-3 without him in the regular season and IMHO even with Gallo the Nuggets don't get passed the Warriors.

Personally I don't see how the league is trending towards advanced stats but I of course could be wrong as advanced stats state that Gallo is a much better player than he actually is.

FG% is so 90s. You're ignoring that he shoots very well from 3 point range, does a good amount of damage from the foul line, and has a great assist:to ratio.
Once you factor all that in, you get a player who scores about 109 points per 100 possessions while giving up 102 per 100 possessions, which is pretty darn good (http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGeneral.html?MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame&sortField=PLAYER_NAME&sortOrder=ASC&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&rowsPerPage=100&filters=GP*GE*40).
That said, I wouldn't glamorize Gallo. I was 50/50 on keeping him past his rookie contract. An 8 figure annual salary is a lot to commit to someone and he had many question marks.

He's had a good year from 3 land this season but his 3PT% is all over the place. He's also a good FT shooter but hasn't gone to the line as often since the NBA nixed the create contact by bringing the ball from below which he was becoming a master at. He doesn't turn the ball over much but also doesn't dish the ball all that well either...2.2 asts vs 1.6 TO's for his career.

I've always liked Gallo, just think that some here make him to be more than he is.

FG% is so 90's? ROFL....good one.

who made him out to me more than he is? did anyone here call him a superstar? Hall of famer? no, some of us felt he was a good young talent with potential.... and that is exactly what he is, and he is turning into a good basketball player. For those of us who hated the trade it was assumed that we felt gallo was the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality we didn't want to trade young assets, good assets, for carmelo... simple.

He's always been a good basketball player but he hasn't gotten much better either. The guy is going into his 7th year in the league and what you see from his is what you're going to get. People just want to contuniously harp over the trade like it happened yesterday. For example trading young, good assets. Yup Chandler, Gallo, Moz, picks, blah, blah, blah.

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

The trade is done and Melo is here. People need to learn to deal with it or move on to the Nuggets, Rockets or whatever other team they choose to root for.

nice try, but he is going into his 6th year in the league and really just his 5th considering his rookie year was shot... and if you think he hasn't gotten better, well either you don't know much about basketball, are blind or just don't watch him play.. either way the comment is somewhat hilarious.. anyway I know where that stems from, so I will move on.. lol

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

again, not sure why you keep adding years to his time in the league, I guess you feel it supports your argument, but gallo didn't have a torn acl at the time of the trade so what does that have to do with anything... You guys feel shumpert is the next paul George coming off a torn ACL so by those standards, gallo is headed for dirksville I guess.. smh

And if you think Gallo is the only asset we gave up, I guess we can ignore chandler, and moz, and i find it funny how you guys bag on moz yet put hope in that broken down camby.. a guy whom we gave up second round picks to acquire and now we are looking to buy a second round pick.. rofl..

also the first round pick and the swap in 2016 have a ton of value.. if not, then lets just give up our first round pick this year, since you feel it isn't much of an asset.. you guys crack me up man..

the fact is, some of us didn't want to make this trade because it was just way too much for an overrated, one dimensional 43%/23 shot per game chucker, with the worst active playoff record in NBA history..

I'm sorry, but make this about gallo all you want.. some of us just didn't want this hump...

My bad, you're correct that he's going into his 6th year.

I get it Gallo is a much better player today becuase he avarage 16 points a game. Must have something to do with the 2 additonal shots he took this year. The bottom line is that he shoots.419 for his career. That's .418 this year, .414 the year before, .414 in 2010-2011, .423 in 2009-2010 but did shoot 44% in his rookie year which shouldn't count for anything and you yourself stated that year was shot. Since he became the MAN in Denver he added an additonal assist per game and goes to the free throw line less. Since I don't know basketball and don't watch him play, please explain to me how Gallo has become a better player although his numbers have been steady for his entire career. Don't get me wrong, I like the kid, always have but IMHO he's nothing more than a solid NBA player.

Wilson Chandler? He's actually going into his 7th season and again is a solid NBA player. Would be much better if he could stay healthy and stay on the court. Again, for a guy with potential he has gotten better since leaving either.

Mozgov, seriously? A work in progress to say the least who must have splinters in his arese from sitting on the bench so damn long.

Bottome line is that many feel that we overpaid for Melo. Do I? YES!!!!!! If Dolan would have left Walsh alone to do his thing it may have turned out differently but it didn't. So we have what we have. However, there is simply no need to continously biatch over it...there's no changing the past.

IMHO, this mess all started with overpaying for STAT. When the Knicks pulled the trigger on the Melo trade it was to team Melo with STAT. They grabbed Chandler from Dallas and the plan was to build around them. The problem now is STAT who were are stuck with until his contract expires or can find a team after next season who wants his expiring contract.

I don't want to hear anything about Melo being greedy either. He did what any other player in the league does and got his money, exactly what Chris Paul will be doing this summer. It's alway easy to look back and say could have, would have, should have but in reality there is no way to know what would have actually happened.

After a decade of straight losing basketball we won the Atlantic and actually made it out of the first round. We lost in the 2nd a team that almost took out the Heat. Not what anyone here wanted but it is what it is. At minium we have 2 more seasons of competitive 50 win basketball, maybe 2 more Atlantic Division Titles and lets see what happens come playoff time.

As long as the Knicks don't phuk things up we have a ton of flexibility come the 2015/2016 season and I feel it all comes down to what Melo wants to do.

Melo has a player option for 2014/2015. Does he take the option for his $23.5 mil? Does he turn down the option and sign for less to give the Knicks flexibilty and to set them up for the following season? All I know is that the Knicks are a better team with him than without him....it just comes down to the price.

I am with you on this 100%. Gallo and Chandler are good players, nothing more nothing less. We gave up a lot, but you have to in order to get good players, and as each year passes the deal looks even better for us as the main pieces are not improving. I like Gallo otherwise, and think he's a good player. And as for Melo, we will learn a lot about him next summer when he has an option with his contract and we will see what flexilibity he offers in his contract to give us a chance to improve this team going forward.

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the league is trending towards advanced stats and advanced stats players.

gallinari is an advanced stat player. his floor impact is not as obvious to the untrained eye but it is there.

he's a bargain at the contract he was immediately offered.

exactly

So advanced stats outweigh the fact that his regular stats suck? Do advanced stats give any credence to the other players the "advanced stat" guy is playing with on the court?

The funny thing is that if Galloput up those numbers in a Knicks uniform people would be screaming for his head but since he's in Denver and some BS advanced stats say he's better than his crap numbers all is good.

Liked Gallo a ton before the trade but the fact remains that the term "potential" has been used to describe him since he came into the league. He's going into his 7th year and shoots slightly better than Ray Felton.

I didn't know his regular season stats sucked.. all I know is that when he is on the floor.. the nuggets were a good team.. 57 wins good..

but he did say that the league is trending towards advanced stats, so make of it what you may...

16.2 PPG 4.7 RPG 2.5 ASTS on .418% shooting. The key is the Nuggets were a good team period. The Nuggets went 7-3 without him in the regular season and IMHO even with Gallo the Nuggets don't get passed the Warriors.

Personally I don't see how the league is trending towards advanced stats but I of course could be wrong as advanced stats state that Gallo is a much better player than he actually is.

FG% is so 90s. You're ignoring that he shoots very well from 3 point range, does a good amount of damage from the foul line, and has a great assist:to ratio.
Once you factor all that in, you get a player who scores about 109 points per 100 possessions while giving up 102 per 100 possessions, which is pretty darn good (http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGeneral.html?MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame&sortField=PLAYER_NAME&sortOrder=ASC&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&rowsPerPage=100&filters=GP*GE*40).
That said, I wouldn't glamorize Gallo. I was 50/50 on keeping him past his rookie contract. An 8 figure annual salary is a lot to commit to someone and he had many question marks.

He's had a good year from 3 land this season but his 3PT% is all over the place. He's also a good FT shooter but hasn't gone to the line as often since the NBA nixed the create contact by bringing the ball from below which he was becoming a master at. He doesn't turn the ball over much but also doesn't dish the ball all that well either...2.2 asts vs 1.6 TO's for his career.

I've always liked Gallo, just think that some here make him to be more than he is.

FG% is so 90's? ROFL....good one.

who made him out to me more than he is? did anyone here call him a superstar? Hall of famer? no, some of us felt he was a good young talent with potential.... and that is exactly what he is, and he is turning into a good basketball player. For those of us who hated the trade it was assumed that we felt gallo was the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality we didn't want to trade young assets, good assets, for carmelo... simple.

He's always been a good basketball player but he hasn't gotten much better either. The guy is going into his 7th year in the league and what you see from his is what you're going to get. People just want to contuniously harp over the trade like it happened yesterday. For example trading young, good assets. Yup Chandler, Gallo, Moz, picks, blah, blah, blah.

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

The trade is done and Melo is here. People need to learn to deal with it or move on to the Nuggets, Rockets or whatever other team they choose to root for.

nice try, but he is going into his 6th year in the league and really just his 5th considering his rookie year was shot... and if you think he hasn't gotten better, well either you don't know much about basketball, are blind or just don't watch him play.. either way the comment is somewhat hilarious.. anyway I know where that stems from, so I will move on.. lol

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

again, not sure why you keep adding years to his time in the league, I guess you feel it supports your argument, but gallo didn't have a torn acl at the time of the trade so what does that have to do with anything... You guys feel shumpert is the next paul George coming off a torn ACL so by those standards, gallo is headed for dirksville I guess.. smh

And if you think Gallo is the only asset we gave up, I guess we can ignore chandler, and moz, and i find it funny how you guys bag on moz yet put hope in that broken down camby.. a guy whom we gave up second round picks to acquire and now we are looking to buy a second round pick.. rofl..

also the first round pick and the swap in 2016 have a ton of value.. if not, then lets just give up our first round pick this year, since you feel it isn't much of an asset.. you guys crack me up man..

the fact is, some of us didn't want to make this trade because it was just way too much for an overrated, one dimensional 43%/23 shot per game chucker, with the worst active playoff record in NBA history..

I'm sorry, but make this about gallo all you want.. some of us just didn't want this hump...

My bad, you're correct that he's going into his 6th year.

I get it Gallo is a much better player today becuase he avarage 16 points a game. Must have something to do with the 2 additonal shots he took this year. The bottom line is that he shoots.419 for his career. That's .418 this year, .414 the year before, .414 in 2010-2011, .423 in 2009-2010 but did shoot 44% in his rookie year which shouldn't count for anything and you yourself stated that year was shot. Since he became the MAN in Denver he added an additonal assist per game and goes to the free throw line less. Since I don't know basketball and don't watch him play, please explain to me how Gallo has become a better player although his numbers have been steady for his entire career. Don't get me wrong, I like the kid, always have but IMHO he's nothing more than a solid NBA player.

Wilson Chandler? He's actually going into his 7th season and again is a solid NBA player. Would be much better if he could stay healthy and stay on the court. Again, for a guy with potential he has gotten better since leaving either.

Mozgov, seriously? A work in progress to say the least who must have splinters in his arese from sitting on the bench so damn long.

Bottome line is that many feel that we overpaid for Melo. Do I? YES!!!!!! If Dolan would have left Walsh alone to do his thing it may have turned out differently but it didn't. So we have what we have. However, there is simply no need to continously biatch over it...there's no changing the past.

IMHO, this mess all started with overpaying for STAT. When the Knicks pulled the trigger on the Melo trade it was to team Melo with STAT. They grabbed Chandler from Dallas and the plan was to build around them. The problem now is STAT who were are stuck with until his contract expires or can find a team after next season who wants his expiring contract.

I don't want to hear anything about Melo being greedy either. He did what any other player in the league does and got his money, exactly what Chris Paul will be doing this summer. It's alway easy to look back and say could have, would have, should have but in reality there is no way to know what would have actually happened.

After a decade of straight losing basketball we won the Atlantic and actually made it out of the first round. We lost in the 2nd a team that almost took out the Heat. Not what anyone here wanted but it is what it is. At minium we have 2 more seasons of competitive 50 win basketball, maybe 2 more Atlantic Division Titles and lets see what happens come playoff time.

As long as the Knicks don't phuk things up we have a ton of flexibility come the 2015/2016 season and I feel it all comes down to what Melo wants to do.

Melo has a player option for 2014/2015. Does he take the option for his $23.5 mil? Does he turn down the option and sign for less to give the Knicks flexibilty and to set them up for the following season? All I know is that the Knicks are a better team with him than without him....it just comes down to the price.

I think you are approaching this the wrong way... gallo takes very few shots per game, now would i like to see him shoot better than 42%, of course, but what gallo does goes beyond just scoring, which I said is key to being a good ball player.. Now gallo is a better player not because he averages 16ppg that is a very narrow way of looking at things.. He is a better ball player now because he has expanded his game to do more things, he is a better facilitator, ball mover, defender, and a big shot maker for the nuggets.. He doesn't turn the ball over either..

Chandler is another one of those solid players, can play 3 positions, can score points when needed and defend 3 positions.

I mentioned moz because as it stands now the knicks have NO size....

I sit back and watch you guys complain about not having help, looking at other teams lance stephenson's and kawai leonard's.. well we had that... No one is saying chandler and gallo are great players, but they were damn good ones and improving... I also find it funny how in his 11th year people expect carmelo to "learn from this", " morph into paul pierce"... to get better defensively.. YET.. YET, guys like gallo and chandler are Done, they are a finished product.. That is just not consistent in thinking at all!

After a decade of straight losing basketball we won the Atlantic and actually made it out of the first round. We lost in the 2nd a team that almost took out the Heat. Not what anyone here wanted but it is what it is. At minium we have 2 more seasons of competitive 50 win basketball, maybe 2 more Atlantic Division Titles and lets see what happens come playoff time.

who cares, If I pay BMW price, I want BMW performance, telling me my BMW went a year without breaking down is no big deal.. I can get that with a 15k kia....

I want BMW performance , world class performance... that is what we paid for.. And we are not getting it with carmelo... now does that mean I am overrating the kia? No, I am just holding the BMW accountable for underpeforming, and In this case, I knew what we were getting with carmelo... we paid BMW prices but really got a volkswagon..

Melo has a player option for 2014/2015. Does he take the option for his $23.5 mil? Does he turn down the option and sign for less to give the Knicks flexibilty and to set them up for the following season? All I know is that the Knicks are a better team with him than without him....it just comes down to the price.

I pray to GOD and everything that is sacred that he opts out and the knicks move in another direction.. I don't want a 31 year old volume shooter signed here for another 4 years... if the knicks do resign him, I will take a real break from this team until he is gone... I am tired of rooting for teams that insist on doing business this way... obtaining low class, low character , one dimension players.. I am sick and tired of it....

The self entitlement that i see with fans though is hilarious, this is a team that hasnt won in 4 decades.

All i see is records and the final result, since that acquisition the Knicks as a team are better, maybe that shows just how far from a disgrace they were, but they are better, and Melo is a part of that and a key piece as well.

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:the league is trending towards advanced stats and advanced stats players.

gallinari is an advanced stat player. his floor impact is not as obvious to the untrained eye but it is there.

he's a bargain at the contract he was immediately offered.

exactly

So advanced stats outweigh the fact that his regular stats suck? Do advanced stats give any credence to the other players the "advanced stat" guy is playing with on the court?

The funny thing is that if Galloput up those numbers in a Knicks uniform people would be screaming for his head but since he's in Denver and some BS advanced stats say he's better than his crap numbers all is good.

Liked Gallo a ton before the trade but the fact remains that the term "potential" has been used to describe him since he came into the league. He's going into his 7th year and shoots slightly better than Ray Felton.

I didn't know his regular season stats sucked.. all I know is that when he is on the floor.. the nuggets were a good team.. 57 wins good..

but he did say that the league is trending towards advanced stats, so make of it what you may...

16.2 PPG 4.7 RPG 2.5 ASTS on .418% shooting. The key is the Nuggets were a good team period. The Nuggets went 7-3 without him in the regular season and IMHO even with Gallo the Nuggets don't get passed the Warriors.

Personally I don't see how the league is trending towards advanced stats but I of course could be wrong as advanced stats state that Gallo is a much better player than he actually is.

FG% is so 90s. You're ignoring that he shoots very well from 3 point range, does a good amount of damage from the foul line, and has a great assist:to ratio.
Once you factor all that in, you get a player who scores about 109 points per 100 possessions while giving up 102 per 100 possessions, which is pretty darn good (http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGeneral.html?MeasureType=Advanced&PerMode=PerGame&sortField=PLAYER_NAME&sortOrder=ASC&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&rowsPerPage=100&filters=GP*GE*40).
That said, I wouldn't glamorize Gallo. I was 50/50 on keeping him past his rookie contract. An 8 figure annual salary is a lot to commit to someone and he had many question marks.

He's had a good year from 3 land this season but his 3PT% is all over the place. He's also a good FT shooter but hasn't gone to the line as often since the NBA nixed the create contact by bringing the ball from below which he was becoming a master at. He doesn't turn the ball over much but also doesn't dish the ball all that well either...2.2 asts vs 1.6 TO's for his career.

I've always liked Gallo, just think that some here make him to be more than he is.

FG% is so 90's? ROFL....good one.

who made him out to me more than he is? did anyone here call him a superstar? Hall of famer? no, some of us felt he was a good young talent with potential.... and that is exactly what he is, and he is turning into a good basketball player. For those of us who hated the trade it was assumed that we felt gallo was the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality we didn't want to trade young assets, good assets, for carmelo... simple.

He's always been a good basketball player but he hasn't gotten much better either. The guy is going into his 7th year in the league and what you see from his is what you're going to get. People just want to contuniously harp over the trade like it happened yesterday. For example trading young, good assets. Yup Chandler, Gallo, Moz, picks, blah, blah, blah.

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

The trade is done and Melo is here. People need to learn to deal with it or move on to the Nuggets, Rockets or whatever other team they choose to root for.

nice try, but he is going into his 6th year in the league and really just his 5th considering his rookie year was shot... and if you think he hasn't gotten better, well either you don't know much about basketball, are blind or just don't watch him play.. either way the comment is somewhat hilarious.. anyway I know where that stems from, so I will move on.. lol

IMHO the best asset we gave up was Gallo and in reality he's a 42% shooter going into his 7th year, coming off of a torn ACL.

again, not sure why you keep adding years to his time in the league, I guess you feel it supports your argument, but gallo didn't have a torn acl at the time of the trade so what does that have to do with anything... You guys feel shumpert is the next paul George coming off a torn ACL so by those standards, gallo is headed for dirksville I guess.. smh

And if you think Gallo is the only asset we gave up, I guess we can ignore chandler, and moz, and i find it funny how you guys bag on moz yet put hope in that broken down camby.. a guy whom we gave up second round picks to acquire and now we are looking to buy a second round pick.. rofl..

also the first round pick and the swap in 2016 have a ton of value.. if not, then lets just give up our first round pick this year, since you feel it isn't much of an asset.. you guys crack me up man..

the fact is, some of us didn't want to make this trade because it was just way too much for an overrated, one dimensional 43%/23 shot per game chucker, with the worst active playoff record in NBA history..

I'm sorry, but make this about gallo all you want.. some of us just didn't want this hump...

My bad, you're correct that he's going into his 6th year.

I get it Gallo is a much better player today becuase he avarage 16 points a game. Must have something to do with the 2 additonal shots he took this year. The bottom line is that he shoots.419 for his career. That's .418 this year, .414 the year before, .414 in 2010-2011, .423 in 2009-2010 but did shoot 44% in his rookie year which shouldn't count for anything and you yourself stated that year was shot. Since he became the MAN in Denver he added an additonal assist per game and goes to the free throw line less. Since I don't know basketball and don't watch him play, please explain to me how Gallo has become a better player although his numbers have been steady for his entire career. Don't get me wrong, I like the kid, always have but IMHO he's nothing more than a solid NBA player.

Wilson Chandler? He's actually going into his 7th season and again is a solid NBA player. Would be much better if he could stay healthy and stay on the court. Again, for a guy with potential he has gotten better since leaving either.

Mozgov, seriously? A work in progress to say the least who must have splinters in his arese from sitting on the bench so damn long.

Bottome line is that many feel that we overpaid for Melo. Do I? YES!!!!!! If Dolan would have left Walsh alone to do his thing it may have turned out differently but it didn't. So we have what we have. However, there is simply no need to continously biatch over it...there's no changing the past.

IMHO, this mess all started with overpaying for STAT. When the Knicks pulled the trigger on the Melo trade it was to team Melo with STAT. They grabbed Chandler from Dallas and the plan was to build around them. The problem now is STAT who were are stuck with until his contract expires or can find a team after next season who wants his expiring contract.

I don't want to hear anything about Melo being greedy either. He did what any other player in the league does and got his money, exactly what Chris Paul will be doing this summer. It's alway easy to look back and say could have, would have, should have but in reality there is no way to know what would have actually happened.

After a decade of straight losing basketball we won the Atlantic and actually made it out of the first round. We lost in the 2nd a team that almost took out the Heat. Not what anyone here wanted but it is what it is. At minium we have 2 more seasons of competitive 50 win basketball, maybe 2 more Atlantic Division Titles and lets see what happens come playoff time.

As long as the Knicks don't phuk things up we have a ton of flexibility come the 2015/2016 season and I feel it all comes down to what Melo wants to do.

Melo has a player option for 2014/2015. Does he take the option for his $23.5 mil? Does he turn down the option and sign for less to give the Knicks flexibilty and to set them up for the following season? All I know is that the Knicks are a better team with him than without him....it just comes down to the price.

I think you are approaching this the wrong way... gallo takes very few shots per game, now would i like to see him shoot better than 42%, of course, but what gallo does goes beyond just scoring, which I said is key to being a good ball player.. Now gallo is a better player not because he averages 16ppg that is a very narrow way of looking at things.. He is a better ball player now because he has expanded his game to do more things, he is a better facilitator, ball mover, defender, and a big shot maker for the nuggets.. He doesn't turn the ball over either..

Chandler is another one of those solid players, can play 3 positions, can score points when needed and defend 3 positions.

I mentioned moz because as it stands now the knicks have NO size....

I sit back and watch you guys complain about not having help, looking at other teams lance stephenson's and kawai leonard's.. well we had that... No one is saying chandler and gallo are great players, but they were damn good ones and improving... I also find it funny how in his 11th year people expect carmelo to "learn from this", " morph into paul pierce"... to get better defensively.. YET.. YET, guys like gallo and chandler are Done, they are a finished product.. That is just not consistent in thinking at all!

After a decade of straight losing basketball we won the Atlantic and actually made it out of the first round. We lost in the 2nd a team that almost took out the Heat. Not what anyone here wanted but it is what it is. At minium we have 2 more seasons of competitive 50 win basketball, maybe 2 more Atlantic Division Titles and lets see what happens come playoff time.

who cares, If I pay BMW price, I want BMW performance, telling me my BMW went a year without breaking down is no big deal.. I can get that with a 15k kia....

I want BMW performance , world class performance... that is what we paid for.. And we are not getting it with carmelo... now does that mean I am overrating the kia? No, I am just holding the BMW accountable for underpeforming, and In this case, I knew what we were getting with carmelo... we paid BMW prices but really got a volkswagon..

Melo has a player option for 2014/2015. Does he take the option for his $23.5 mil? Does he turn down the option and sign for less to give the Knicks flexibilty and to set them up for the following season? All I know is that the Knicks are a better team with him than without him....it just comes down to the price.

I pray to GOD and everything that is sacred that he opts out and the knicks move in another direction.. I don't want a 31 year old volume shooter signed here for another 4 years... if the knicks do resign him, I will take a real break from this team until he is gone... I am tired of rooting for teams that insist on doing business this way... obtaining low class, low character , one dimension players.. I am sick and tired of it....

Melo isn't likely to go anywhere, even as his court performance hasn't translated in titles, the organization gains from him being on the court, and we all know the Knicks are about profit...winning is by accident, which is why they havent won anything in 40 years.

The self entitlement that i see with fans though is hilarious, this is a team that hasnt won in 4 decades.

All i see is records and the final result, since that acquisition the Knicks as a team are better, maybe that shows just how far from a disgrace they were, but they are better, and Melo is a part of that and a key piece as well.

Very accurate statement. We know what Melo brings to the table and what he does not. He will likely be resigned and hopefully he can save us a little money in the early years of his contract so we can add some talent around him. Luckily we have summer 2015 to add a max FA such as Rondo, Hibbert, M Gasol, or Aldridge for example. But until then, its nice to know that this team is no longer the butt of all jokes. Melo has made us a respectable playoff team that can compete and have some exciting runs. We have to look at this as baby steps and realize how far we have come in 2 years.

Knixkik wrote:

callmened wrote:most likely he will resign with the knicks so he WONT lose money (i.e. CP3). I agree that hes a one dimensional volume scorer. He is what he is. BUT if we sign an elite PG to play with him, then i think you can win. He just needs a great supporting cast (i.e Dirk).

Yeah this has been discussed time and time again, but unfortunately, the Melo haters don't want to hear it. We will just have to wait and see. Hoipefully we find a way to get him some help.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:so it looks like the win-now phase is officially over.

sickening

Go see the doctor then.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:so it looks like the win-now phase is officially over.

sickening

Go see the doctor then.

There's no treatment when Dolan infects your team

The battered spouse should walk away instead of hoping the husband changes, while getting the snot kicked out of her in the process.

The team is what it is, if it's that hard to take, change allegiances, people do it all the time.

so let me ask you: is the win-now phase officially over?

it's a yes/no question