knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

callmened wrote:the fundamental problem with this team is AMARE. no NBA team can afford to get little-to-NO production from a player making $20mil. Not only is THAT a waste but it prevents the team from acquiring any real productive talent. In my opinion, this team is "stuck" until Amare and his contract are GONE.

I agree. I also don't know why it is debated so much. You just can't overcome a 20 million dollar annual mistake in a sport with a salary cap.

How come the Pacers have overcome the near max money owed to Granger? He played less than Amare did this year. And the Grizzlies and Spurs both had less money in healthy players than we did.

For one Granger isn't near max, and the Pacers have built their team around youth with a few vets, not a bench full of old vets.

Another thing, their team is based on defense and guys willing to play defense which may not win every game in the regular season but it certainly will keep you competitive in the playoffs.

ok, so no matter how you put it here, as bonn asked.. the knicks were build the wrong way.. right?

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

callmened wrote:the fundamental problem with this team is AMARE. no NBA team can afford to get little-to-NO production from a player making $20mil. Not only is THAT a waste but it prevents the team from acquiring any real productive talent. In my opinion, this team is "stuck" until Amare and his contract are GONE.

I agree. I also don't know why it is debated so much. You just can't overcome a 20 million dollar annual mistake in a sport with a salary cap.

How come the Pacers have overcome the near max money owed to Granger? He played less than Amare did this year. And the Grizzlies and Spurs both had less money in healthy players than we did.

For one Granger isn't near max, and the Pacers have built their team around youth with a few vets, not a bench full of old vets.

Another thing, their team is based on defense and guys willing to play defense which may not win every game in the regular season but it certainly will keep you competitive in the playoffs.

ok, so no matter how you put it here, as bonn asked.. the knicks were build the wrong way.. right?

Defense wins, amare knows none of that by his own admission of never being taught.

here's an anology for you....

2010 is the equivalent of telling your friends for two years, while walking to work, thumbing rides, taking the subway, your saving your money for a new luxury car (LeBron)

Then when it's time to buy the new car, bUT you find out your credit isn't good enough (No LeBron)

You still have this downpayment though, so you instantly head over to the tote the note and get a luxury used car which was as-is and the dealer told you the car has transmission problems.

You being so desperate still put that down payment down, and breeze out the lot only for one year later dealing with a now slipping transmission you knew from the start.

So in essence yes, the team was built wrong stright from the FIRST SIGNING.

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade

it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.

Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)

some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.

there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...

which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.

I respect your point on that... but there is not much positive to find in such a hopeless situation that most co-signed on, and in turn, called some of us who didn't like the moves, haters... some of us had no problem rooting for the knicks, but on our terms... and that is the right of a poster.. but it seems that we were to either bow down and recognize carmelo as our lord and savior and denounce guys like lin, and gallo, write off as mere scrubs, or we were to be ostracized, and labeled haters and malcontents..

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade

it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.

Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)

some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.

there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...

which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.

there is nothing positive about a hopeless situation. the owner is incompetent, feckless, egotistical, greedy, and infantile. he attracts the wrong people for the wrong reasons, many of whom share many of the traits he manifests. it's too bad some true lifelong knick fans have to endure this hot mess, and have crap heaped on their heads for stating the obvious.

That is your take on the situation. Others happens to see it otherwise and our opinions are as valid as anyone else. This is a board of individuals (at least I hope) who sometimes have opposing views. Why can't you simply respect someone else view instead of trying to enforce your view on us.

enforce my view on you?!? the "force" of my point of view is rooted in reality not some idol-worshipping fantasy. carmelo anthony is a legend in his own mind, and greedy to boot. no wonder dolan loves him.

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade

it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.

Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)

some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.

there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...

which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.

there is nothing positive about a hopeless situation. the owner is incompetent, feckless, egotistical, greedy, and infantile. he attracts the wrong people for the wrong reasons, many of whom share many of the traits he manifests. it's too bad some true lifelong knick fans have to endure this hot mess, and have crap heaped on their heads for stating the obvious.

That is your take on the situation. Others happens to see it otherwise and our opinions are as valid as anyone else. This is a board of individuals (at least I hope) who sometimes have opposing views. Why can't you simply respect someone else view instead of trying to enforce your view on us.

enforce my view on you?!? the "force" of my point of view is rooted in reality not some idol-worshipping fantasy. carmelo anthony is a legend in his own mind, and greedy to boot. no wonder dolan loves him.

So, because I am an INDIVIDUAL and don't see things the way YOU do, I'm living in fantasy land. Thank you for proving my point. Plus your emotional response regarding this could be considered disturbing in many circles rooting in reality.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade

it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.

Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)

some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.

there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...

which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.

there is nothing positive about a hopeless situation. the owner is incompetent, feckless, egotistical, greedy, and infantile. he attracts the wrong people for the wrong reasons, many of whom share many of the traits he manifests. it's too bad some true lifelong knick fans have to endure this hot mess, and have crap heaped on their heads for stating the obvious.

That is your take on the situation. Others happens to see it otherwise and our opinions are as valid as anyone else. This is a board of individuals (at least I hope) who sometimes have opposing views. Why can't you simply respect someone else view instead of trying to enforce your view on us.

enforce my view on you?!? the "force" of my point of view is rooted in reality not some idol-worshipping fantasy. carmelo anthony is a legend in his own mind, and greedy to boot. no wonder dolan loves him.

Fans of the Knicks do not equal fans of Melo and Melo only. You called me a Melo lover in another thread and now you're throwing out "idol worship" here. The sooner you cut out the generalizations, the sooner your interactions can be a bit more civil and you wont have "crap heaped on your head"

he did the same thing to me and I am no Melo lover, just a Knicks supporter.

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade

it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.

Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)

some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.

there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...

which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.

there is nothing positive about a hopeless situation. the owner is incompetent, feckless, egotistical, greedy, and infantile. he attracts the wrong people for the wrong reasons, many of whom share many of the traits he manifests. it's too bad some true lifelong knick fans have to endure this hot mess, and have crap heaped on their heads for stating the obvious.

That is your take on the situation. Others happens to see it otherwise and our opinions are as valid as anyone else. This is a board of individuals (at least I hope) who sometimes have opposing views. Why can't you simply respect someone else view instead of trying to enforce your view on us.

enforce my view on you?!? the "force" of my point of view is rooted in reality not some idol-worshipping fantasy. carmelo anthony is a legend in his own mind, and greedy to boot. no wonder dolan loves him.

So, because I am an INDIVIDUAL and don't see things the way YOU do, I'm living in fantasy land. Thank you for proving my point. Plus your emotional response regarding this could be considered disturbing in many circles rooting in reality.

what does your claim of being an "individual" have to do with what i am saying? spare me the straw man argument. ok so you're an individual who share's a positive vision of the future with many others. is that acceptable? it happens to be the majority point of view and it happens to be wrong. this team was misbegotten from february 2011 and it is being borne out in reality. apparently i am wrong to feel positive so explain why i being positive is right.

emotions? i guess i will stay away from exclamation points. right now the range is between mirth and annoyance.

It means that I happen to disagree with you and being an adult, I see nothing wrong with us having opposing views. This is what happens when individuals gather..virtually or otherwise. Its about common respect that we should show each other.

Also, you quoted my response to another poster and went completely off on a Melo rant when we weren't even talking about Melo but, how some fans can't move on from the past.

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

callmened wrote:all this thread tells me is two things:
- some fans still miss Lin
- and some fans will never forgive melo for that denver trade

it took THIS thread to tell you that. Look at ANY thread about Anthony that starts positively and you will see that posters will never let either the Denver trade or losing Lin go. Ten years from now they will still be sore about it.

Some posters just seem to like being miserable. I can't be specific but, even if I could, nothing good would come of it :)

some posters know what it actually takes to win and would enjoy watching a winning brand of basketball instead of this smoke and mirror fool's gold regular season garbage. any team with carmelo anthony as the main piece will never play the game the right way with any consistency. that's how much of a detriment he is to a team sport.

there is years and years of evidence of this.. yet he puts on a knick jersey and all of that goes out of the window.. I just don't get it...

which has nothing to do with the fact that some posters won't allow others to enjoy a thread with even a bit of positivity. Just because someone refuses to feed into the disenchantment of others doesn't mean they wear rose colored glasses either.

there is nothing positive about a hopeless situation. the owner is incompetent, feckless, egotistical, greedy, and infantile. he attracts the wrong people for the wrong reasons, many of whom share many of the traits he manifests. it's too bad some true lifelong knick fans have to endure this hot mess, and have crap heaped on their heads for stating the obvious.

That is your take on the situation. Others happens to see it otherwise and our opinions are as valid as anyone else. This is a board of individuals (at least I hope) who sometimes have opposing views. Why can't you simply respect someone else view instead of trying to enforce your view on us.

enforce my view on you?!? the "force" of my point of view is rooted in reality not some idol-worshipping fantasy. carmelo anthony is a legend in his own mind, and greedy to boot. no wonder dolan loves him.

So, because I am an INDIVIDUAL and don't see things the way YOU do, I'm living in fantasy land. Thank you for proving my point. Plus your emotional response regarding this could be considered disturbing in many circles rooting in reality.

what does your claim of being an "individual" have to do with what i am saying? spare me the straw man argument. ok so you're an individual who share's a positive vision of the future with many others. is that acceptable? it happens to be the majority point of view and it happens to be wrong. this team was misbegotten from february 2011 and it is being borne out in reality. apparently i am wrong to feel positive so explain why i being positive is right.

emotions? i guess i will stay away from exclamation points. right now the range is between mirth and annoyance.

It means that I happen to disagree with you and being an adult, I see nothing wrong with us having opposing views. This is what happens when individuals gather..virtually or otherwise. Its about common respect that we should show each other.

Also, you quoted my response to another poster and went completely off on a Melo rant when we weren't even talking about Melo but, how some fans can't move on from the past.

yes we are adults. i have no idea where i went off so since i did that's my bad. sorry.

now explain to me what there is to be positive about, please?

DurzoBlint wrote:I love the Knicks. I thoroughly enjoyed this season and I LOVED sending Boston fishing. This season ended on a very sour note but, its by far the best season we have had in many years. Heck, I didn't think this was a championship caliber squad, never did but, I was pleased to see us reach the 2. Call me wierd but, I don't require my teams to be championship caliber to be a fan. As long as the guys play hard, compete and win more than they lose, that is a win in my book.

How many teams have been to the finals in the last decade. Like 4 our of how many. If it was so easy, the same teams wouldn't be the ones winning it over and over while everyone else has been on the outside looking in.

Durzo, I love the knicks as well. But i didn't enjoy this season and I despise the culture and "air" of this team with carmelo and JR smith on it.. I know, I know, people will keep saying, we were going nowhere with Amare and the kids, but that is far from the truth. That team was fun to watch, a breath of fresh air and hope and most of all, FLEXIBLE.. for once I felt true hope with this franchise, with Walsh in the front office.. yes he was not perfect as most GM's aren't, but he had integrity and he knew basketball.... We were no longer a laughing stock.... we traded all of that in to become this... this team that is aging, not likeable (at least by my standards) immature and overrated... with no leadership.... Do you really enjoy that?

or

is just beating an aging Boston team without rondo, good enough for you? because we got completely exposed by the pacers, now I hear knick fans talking how good the pacers are, but when myself and guys like 3g were saying that early in the year, we were told go to root for the pacers and nuggets... go figure..

Heck, I didn't think this was a championship caliber squad, never did but, I was pleased to see us reach the 2

and this is why some of us are hot as fish grease... we knew after this trade trying to put together a championship team with carmelo was going to be damn near impossible.... This does not make me happy. Our goal should be to win a ring, not to get closer by getting to round 2 and getting smashed.... It is a process, to build a winner that last, guys like dolan and carmelo just seem to not get it, as do most knick fans.... Dolan is hell bent on cheating the process and in the end we , the fans lose, and have to settle for beating a past their prime boston team....