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Remember Before the Season Melo Said He Would Do What it Takes To Win?
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2/3/2013  3:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2013  3:29 PM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote: i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

lol. You're not enjoying our current season? You my friend, are not a Knicks fan. Sorry. But you're not.

Our Knicks feature a 26-11 record during games in which Melo has played. That's a winning percentage of .702% while Melo has ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players in scoring. Keep on scoring Melo, because when Melo not only plays but also scores? Our Knicks win at a clip of .702%.

During Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, our Knicks are 1st place of our Atlantic Division 44 games into the regular season. Something in which we haven't won since 1994 and/or only two times under the Ewing era.

During only Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, his Knicks are 2nd place of the Entire Eastern Conference 44 games into the regular season. Only 1/2 a game behind the Defending World Champions; The Miami Heat.

But yet, you can't enjoy our current season/team and/or the greatest overall Knick since Patrick Ewing and/or one of the greatest offensive forces our franchise has ever featured in Carmelo Anthony? That's nice to know.

Our Knicks were only 23-21 44 games into the regular season during Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and AR's final season as a Knick. You know, the same players in which you talked up like no tomorrow. 23-21 44 games into the regular season. Those players on the Knicks roster before the Melo trade? Down right pathetic.

Also, for as much as you bash and/or harp all over Carmelo Anthony due to his playoff record, it's quite funny, because Melo led the Nuggets to the postseason each and every year dating back to his rookie season. Got drafted by a laughing stock franchise but yet still managed to lead his Denver Nuggets franchise to the postseason each and every season including a trip to the Western Conference Finals. Your little hero in Gallo? During his first 4 seasons? Only two postseason appearances and guess what? Both were first round exits bwhahahahahahaha. If Gallo's Nuggets even make the postseason here in 2012-2013? Gallo will once again, be eliminated during the first round of the playoffs.

Mention Melo not leading his team(s) out of the first round of the playoffs again TKF (as you've done for oh so many years now) and I'll continue to stuff Gallo down your throat while talking basketball. Last but not least, I really hope you enjoy our Knicks improving to 27-11 tonight (during games in which Melo has played/led the way).

You defend melo like you defend your favorite comic book hero. Your becoming unreadable.

NYKMentality is the Yin to the sombermites Yang. He defends Melo about as hard as some tear him down at every opportunity...Are those posts unreadable to you aswell?


He really is.

His post are a little too long for my tastes, but I skim and get the point. TFK is generally a skip completely.

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2/3/2013  3:27 PM
Anji wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote: i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

lol. You're not enjoying our current season? You my friend, are not a Knicks fan. Sorry. But you're not.

Our Knicks feature a 26-11 record during games in which Melo has played. That's a winning percentage of .702% while Melo has ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players in scoring. Keep on scoring Melo, because when Melo not only plays but also scores? Our Knicks win at a clip of .702%.

During Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, our Knicks are 1st place of our Atlantic Division 44 games into the regular season. Something in which we haven't won since 1994 and/or only two times under the Ewing era.

During only Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, his Knicks are 2nd place of the Entire Eastern Conference 44 games into the regular season. Only 1/2 a game behind the Defending World Champions; The Miami Heat.

But yet, you can't enjoy our current season/team and/or the greatest overall Knick since Patrick Ewing and/or one of the greatest offensive forces our franchise has ever featured in Carmelo Anthony? That's nice to know.

Our Knicks were only 23-21 44 games into the regular season during Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and AR's final season as a Knick. You know, the same players in which you talked up like no tomorrow. 23-21 44 games into the regular season. Those players on the Knicks roster before the Melo trade? Down right pathetic.

Also, for as much as you bash and/or harp all over Carmelo Anthony due to his playoff record, it's quite funny, because Melo led the Nuggets to the postseason each and every year dating back to his rookie season. Got drafted by a laughing stock franchise but yet still managed to lead his Denver Nuggets franchise to the postseason each and every season including a trip to the Western Conference Finals. Your little hero in Gallo? During his first 4 seasons? Only two postseason appearances and guess what? Both were first round exits bwhahahahahahaha. If Gallo's Nuggets even make the postseason here in 2012-2013? Gallo will once again, be eliminated during the first round of the playoffs.

Mention Melo not leading his team(s) out of the first round of the playoffs again TKF (as you've done for oh so many years now) and I'll continue to stuff Gallo down your throat while talking basketball. Last but not least, I really hope you enjoy our Knicks improving to 27-11 tonight (during games in which Melo has played/led the way).

You defend melo like you defend your favorite comic book hero. Your becoming unreadable.

NYKMentality is the Yin to the sombermites Yang. He defends Melo about as hard as some tear him down at every opportunity...Are those posts unreadable to you aswell?


He really is.

His post are a little too long for my tastes, but I skim and get the point. TFK is generally a skip completely.

ha opposite for me!

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2/3/2013  3:30 PM
It's funny because when did TFK stop posting after every game his keys to the game??? When we were bad he would after almost every lost defend our bums and call the other team scrubs in some fashion. Now that were good, he calls us bums mostly and follows any scub we trade away.
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2/3/2013  4:12 PM
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/3/2013  5:42 PM
For me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon...


From Melo, to Marbury, to Sprewell, to Mason, and to King, I've always rooted for the name on the Front Of The Jersey as opposed to the names on the back. Once they put on the blue and orange I become a fan and root for them to help my team win.

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2/3/2013  6:25 PM
Uptown wrote:
For me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon...


From Melo, to Marbury, to Sprewell, to Mason, and to King, I've always rooted for the name on the Front Of The Jersey as opposed to the names on the back. Once they put on the blue and orange I become a fan and root for them to help my team win.

Real fans do.

But did you follow King to the Bullets? Follow Sprewell to Minny? Pulled for Marbury in Boston? Watched all of Mason's game with the Hornets?

Hell no.

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2/3/2013  8:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/3/2013  8:13 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
Uptown wrote:
For me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon...


From Melo, to Marbury, to Sprewell, to Mason, and to King, I've always rooted for the name on the Front Of The Jersey as opposed to the names on the back. Once they put on the blue and orange I become a fan and root for them to help my team win.

Real fans do.

But did you follow King to the Bullets? Follow Sprewell to Minny? Pulled for Marbury in Boston? Watched all of Mason's game with the Hornets?

Hell no.

Cant say I rooted for any of them when they went to another team. Did keep a very close eye on Strickland when he went to the Spurs and Blazers but it wasn't the same....

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2/4/2013  12:27 AM
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote: i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

lol. You're not enjoying our current season? You my friend, are not a Knicks fan. Sorry. But you're not.

Our Knicks feature a 26-11 record during games in which Melo has played. That's a winning percentage of .702% while Melo has ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players in scoring. Keep on scoring Melo, because when Melo not only plays but also scores? Our Knicks win at a clip of .702%.

During Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, our Knicks are 1st place of our Atlantic Division 44 games into the regular season. Something in which we haven't won since 1994 and/or only two times under the Ewing era.

During only Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, his Knicks are 2nd place of the Entire Eastern Conference 44 games into the regular season. Only 1/2 a game behind the Defending World Champions; The Miami Heat.

But yet, you can't enjoy our current season/team and/or the greatest overall Knick since Patrick Ewing and/or one of the greatest offensive forces our franchise has ever featured in Carmelo Anthony? That's nice to know.

Our Knicks were only 23-21 44 games into the regular season during Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and AR's final season as a Knick. You know, the same players in which you talked up like no tomorrow. 23-21 44 games into the regular season. Those players on the Knicks roster before the Melo trade? Down right pathetic.

Also, for as much as you bash and/or harp all over Carmelo Anthony due to his playoff record, it's quite funny, because Melo led the Nuggets to the postseason each and every year dating back to his rookie season. Got drafted by a laughing stock franchise but yet still managed to lead his Denver Nuggets franchise to the postseason each and every season including a trip to the Western Conference Finals. Your little hero in Gallo? During his first 4 seasons? Only two postseason appearances and guess what? Both were first round exits bwhahahahahahaha. If Gallo's Nuggets even make the postseason here in 2012-2013? Gallo will once again, be eliminated during the first round of the playoffs.

Mention Melo not leading his team(s) out of the first round of the playoffs again TKF (as you've done for oh so many years now) and I'll continue to stuff Gallo down your throat while talking basketball. Last but not least, I really hope you enjoy our Knicks improving to 27-11 tonight (during games in which Melo has played/led the way).

You defend melo like you defend your favorite comic book hero. Your becoming unreadable.

NYKMentality is the Yin to the sombermites Yang. He defends Melo about as hard as some tear him down at every opportunity...Are those posts unreadable to you aswell?

I stopped reading TKF. That is his opinion but its a very distinct minority.

I don't agree with it. I like Melo. He is earning his stripes. My take is he has to earn the cred so many gave him prematurly (Moobyism). The games speak for itself. 2nd in the conference is way beyond my expectation with as many games as Amare has missed!

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2/4/2013  12:38 AM
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

But you jock Gallinari. I don't understand.

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2/4/2013  5:54 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

But you jock Gallinari. I don't understand.


Seems like you're trying to change the topic but you're not even doing it effectively since Gallo - career wise- is ahead of Melo in the metric being discussed (TS%).
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2/4/2013  7:22 AM
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

The thing is, there aren't that many Uber-Melo fans. Guys give Melo a compliment or make a complimentary statement and the trollish haters have to come right back with a negative statement. That doesn't make us unabashed Melo lovers but, it does get annoying when you can't say a positive word about a player without the haters immediately chiming in with a negative. That causes the original poster to defend his statement and, then you get the back and forth that will often hijack threads.

I used to really look forward to TKs keys and posts but, his sheer bias against Melo has started to really become a drag. Dude is all emotion and much watch the game through onyx colored glasses because, I'm not sure why he'd still feel this way at this point of the season. Melo isn't going anywhere, Lin isn't coming back, so either get over it or become a Houston/Denver fan

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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2/4/2013  7:25 AM
CashMoney wrote:
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Nalod wrote:Sometimes its just ok to not read some posts because its redundant.

TKF will usually back things up with a statistical slant but tries.

NYMental does take anything that does not sniff with postive vibes and go off.

My take is the "UK" is not "all things positive". Its a fan site but not a "praise only" site. Maybe Nickelodian can make a page for those who don't like to hear some things.

Y'all can argue it all or just let the season unfold into the truth that it will be.

Sometimes its just ok to chill, watch the games and enjoy.

Y'all know where I stand. the Somber and Haters feel like the Starphuchs defend too much to justify the Moobyistic fever. The Starphuched don't want negativity because it does not fit in with the fables told.

It all gets sorted out on the court.


What we know: Knicks have a real nice record and the potential to finish top 4, but can easily slip to 6-7th..
We are not deep at the Point. I doubt Kidd can sustain starter minutes and Priggy has a ceiling. No young point to step up.

To get Stat to start we need Camby and Sheed.

Jr is inconsistant and its why he is here and inexpensive. Amare and melo are showing they can co-exist but small sample and have not been tested yet. We just don't know. Fables depicting hope or the past regressions remind the Sombe4 how fragile it all is.

Argue all you want boys, or just watch the games and see it unfold!

personally I have no problem with a negative statement but, it does get to me that after a good win, you can come here and not see a single positive mention which, was the case most of yesterday morning. It doesn't/didn't piss me off but, it does bother me.

the problem isnt actualy negativity, its perceived negativity. Anything that is not a circle jerk over Melo's greatness is obviously anti-Knick hating of fans who would rather see the Knicks lose then succeed with Melo.

This topic is ubiquitous on this forum and all discussions end in this or start with it.

i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

I understand that you don't care for Melo but how can you not be enjoying this season? Sorry my man but you are not a Knicks fan if you're not enjoying what's going on this season.

yeah, I was one of his defenders but anyone who truly isn't or can't enjoy whats happening with the Knicks really isn't a fan by the definition. Your more like the guy who watches traffic waiting and hoping for an accident so he can point and complain about the traffic. Unfortunately for him, the Knicks have their very own HOV land :)

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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2/4/2013  7:42 AM
Nalod wrote:
Uptown wrote:
Nalod wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote: i find it almost useless to talk about any other aspect of this team... simple because you will get a few posters who honestly care about discussing other aspects of this team outside of carmelo and his quest for MVP and bringing peace and balance to the universe.... I like amare, but if I talk about him, then you will get those who feel I am now hyping him up to put down carmelo.. for me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon....

lol. You're not enjoying our current season? You my friend, are not a Knicks fan. Sorry. But you're not.

Our Knicks feature a 26-11 record during games in which Melo has played. That's a winning percentage of .702% while Melo has ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players in scoring. Keep on scoring Melo, because when Melo not only plays but also scores? Our Knicks win at a clip of .702%.

During Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, our Knicks are 1st place of our Atlantic Division 44 games into the regular season. Something in which we haven't won since 1994 and/or only two times under the Ewing era.

During only Melo's first (full) season as a Knick, his Knicks are 2nd place of the Entire Eastern Conference 44 games into the regular season. Only 1/2 a game behind the Defending World Champions; The Miami Heat.

But yet, you can't enjoy our current season/team and/or the greatest overall Knick since Patrick Ewing and/or one of the greatest offensive forces our franchise has ever featured in Carmelo Anthony? That's nice to know.

Our Knicks were only 23-21 44 games into the regular season during Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and AR's final season as a Knick. You know, the same players in which you talked up like no tomorrow. 23-21 44 games into the regular season. Those players on the Knicks roster before the Melo trade? Down right pathetic.

Also, for as much as you bash and/or harp all over Carmelo Anthony due to his playoff record, it's quite funny, because Melo led the Nuggets to the postseason each and every year dating back to his rookie season. Got drafted by a laughing stock franchise but yet still managed to lead his Denver Nuggets franchise to the postseason each and every season including a trip to the Western Conference Finals. Your little hero in Gallo? During his first 4 seasons? Only two postseason appearances and guess what? Both were first round exits bwhahahahahahaha. If Gallo's Nuggets even make the postseason here in 2012-2013? Gallo will once again, be eliminated during the first round of the playoffs.

Mention Melo not leading his team(s) out of the first round of the playoffs again TKF (as you've done for oh so many years now) and I'll continue to stuff Gallo down your throat while talking basketball. Last but not least, I really hope you enjoy our Knicks improving to 27-11 tonight (during games in which Melo has played/led the way).

You defend melo like you defend your favorite comic book hero. Your becoming unreadable.

NYKMentality is the Yin to the sombermites Yang. He defends Melo about as hard as some tear him down at every opportunity...Are those posts unreadable to you aswell?

I stopped reading TKF. That is his opinion but its a very distinct minority.

I don't agree with it. I like Melo. He is earning his stripes. My take is he has to earn the cred so many gave him prematurly (Moobyism). The games speak for itself. 2nd in the conference is way beyond my expectation with as many games as Amare has missed!

Very Fair......

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dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

The thing is, there aren't that many Uber-Melo fans. Guys give Melo a compliment or make a complimentary statement and the trollish haters have to come right back with a negative statement. That doesn't make us unabashed Melo lovers but, it does get annoying when you can't say a positive word about a player without the haters immediately chiming in with a negative. That causes the original poster to defend his statement and, then you get the back and forth that will often hijack threads.

I used to really look forward to TKs keys and posts but, his sheer bias against Melo has started to really become a drag. Dude is all emotion and much watch the game through onyx colored glasses because, I'm not sure why he'd still feel this way at this point of the season. Melo isn't going anywhere, Lin isn't coming back, so either get over it or become a Houston/Denver fan

Good post....

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DurzoBlint wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

The thing is, there aren't that many Uber-Melo fans. Guys give Melo a compliment or make a complimentary statement and the trollish haters have to come right back with a negative statement. That doesn't make us unabashed Melo lovers but, it does get annoying when you can't say a positive word about a player without the haters immediately chiming in with a negative. That causes the original poster to defend his statement and, then you get the back and forth that will often hijack threads.

I used to really look forward to TKs keys and posts but, his sheer bias against Melo has started to really become a drag. Dude is all emotion and much watch the game through onyx colored glasses because, I'm not sure why he'd still feel this way at this point of the season. Melo isn't going anywhere, Lin isn't coming back, so either get over it or become a Houston/Denver fan

actually the crux of the matter is that almost everyone on either side of the issue is unwilling or incapable of listing his strengths AND weaknesses.

you may not have noticed but i asked him to list melo's weaknesses and i would list his strengths. it is an excellent exercise.

in fact i invite anyone to try it.

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2/4/2013  8:52 AM
dk7th wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

The thing is, there aren't that many Uber-Melo fans. Guys give Melo a compliment or make a complimentary statement and the trollish haters have to come right back with a negative statement. That doesn't make us unabashed Melo lovers but, it does get annoying when you can't say a positive word about a player without the haters immediately chiming in with a negative. That causes the original poster to defend his statement and, then you get the back and forth that will often hijack threads.

I used to really look forward to TKs keys and posts but, his sheer bias against Melo has started to really become a drag. Dude is all emotion and much watch the game through onyx colored glasses because, I'm not sure why he'd still feel this way at this point of the season. Melo isn't going anywhere, Lin isn't coming back, so either get over it or become a Houston/Denver fan

actually the crux of the matter is that almost everyone on either side of the issue is unwilling or incapable of listing his strengths AND weaknesses.

you may not have noticed but i asked him to list melo's weaknesses and i would list his strengths. it is an excellent exercise.

in fact i invite anyone to try it.

but, that is pretty much all they do? I've seen charts and graphs and listings of percentages, TS, etc. The problem is that you can pretty much use stats to prove whatever you want.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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DurzoBlint wrote:
dk7th wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
dk7th wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:But yea, to get back on track in regards to our topic of discussion...

Do you all Remember Before the Season Started when Melo Stated that he'd Do What it Takes To Win ball games?

Well, he's done just that. Won ball games. At the clip of 27-11 to be exact.

So far Melo's played out of position due to team injuries. He's a natural SF who's been asked to man the PF position. He's accepted this challenge in full stride. He's banged down low against much larger BIG's since day one. He's played bully-ball off the blocks to say the least. This is only one example of Melo doing whatever it takes to win ball games, including playing out of position against much larger/stronger big men.

Melo's ranked 2nd amongst all NBA players (only behind Durant) in points scored per game.

Melo ranks 1st in team minutes per game. 1st in team scoring. 1st in Player Efficiency Rating. 2nd in team rebounding and 4th in team assists.

Melo has led his Knicks to a record of 27-11 during games in which Melo has played. I repeat, 27-11.

Melo's led our Knicks to first place of our Atlantic Division and less than 1/2 a game from being the number one seed of the Eastern Conference.

MELO's DONE ALL OF THIS, DURING ONLY MELO'S FIRST (full) SEASON AS A NEW YORK KNICK!

Talk about being a man of your word. Talk about Melo Anthony himself.

i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.

you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

The thing is, there aren't that many Uber-Melo fans. Guys give Melo a compliment or make a complimentary statement and the trollish haters have to come right back with a negative statement. That doesn't make us unabashed Melo lovers but, it does get annoying when you can't say a positive word about a player without the haters immediately chiming in with a negative. That causes the original poster to defend his statement and, then you get the back and forth that will often hijack threads.

I used to really look forward to TKs keys and posts but, his sheer bias against Melo has started to really become a drag. Dude is all emotion and much watch the game through onyx colored glasses because, I'm not sure why he'd still feel this way at this point of the season. Melo isn't going anywhere, Lin isn't coming back, so either get over it or become a Houston/Denver fan

actually the crux of the matter is that almost everyone on either side of the issue is unwilling or incapable of listing his strengths AND weaknesses.

you may not have noticed but i asked him to list melo's weaknesses and i would list his strengths. it is an excellent exercise.

in fact i invite anyone to try it.

but, that is pretty much all they do? I've seen charts and graphs and listings of percentages, TS, etc. The problem is that you can pretty much use stats to prove whatever you want.

stats are supposed to support your impressions not be the basis for them, at least that is how i understand them.

i am simply asking that guys list melo's strengths or weaknesses, whether skills, or mental approach, or physical approach to the game.

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2/4/2013  10:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2013  10:44 AM
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AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:i don't see melo as you do-- i see an undersized power forward/tweener type. kind of like where beasley is stuck. both are probably closer to 6'7" dominating in college playing closer to the basket even even without any footwork. trouble is melo lacks the footwork of a true low-post power forward even if the power forward position has evolved to become a bit more perimeter oriented. so against true power forwards he can use his quickness and against smaller small forwards and swingmen he can get some work done closer to the basket. ironically he suffers from mismatches just as much as he creates them. look how often he gets stuffed or how often he takes bad outside shots over taller defenders. it's going to be critical that he be able to use some high screens to get open come playoff time.you're entitled to shower praise on carmelo anthony but surely you see the flaws in his game as well, don't you? tell you what... why don't you list his flaws and i will respond by listing his strengths.

even if you believe that PER is a valid measure-- i certainly don't because of the mere fact that there are way too many variables involved-- all you're saying is that carmelo is playing at an all-star level. first on his team sure... okay-- but in the big picture not the difference-maker that lebron, durant, and paul are... according to your criteria.

meanwhile, alas, melo's TS% is now at 56.4, down from 57.0 and continues to regress to his career average of 54.5. 56TS% is the definition of mediocre. durant is astonishing 65.3 and lebron is an elite 61.6.

But you jock Gallinari. I don't understand.


Seems like you're trying to change the topic but you're not even doing it effectively since Gallo - career wise- is ahead of Melo in the metric being discussed (TS%).

Uh no. He tries to throw Carmelo under the bus. Carmelo was taking a steamy dump on SF's for years in Denver. Now suddenly he sucks. Stop it man.

Melo is a SF. He can live on the perimeter if he chooses. However, he is strong enough to bang down low and get higher percentage shots and get to the line.

Sorry Melo doesnt stand around the perimeter and jack 3s all game. He doeesnt have the luxury of coasting 4 out of every 5 games. Melo gets double frequently yet STILL manages good percentages. But yea keep comparing him to Michael Beasley. Beasley's problem is he doesnt have the foot speed or handle to dominate at SF.

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Is there a fanbase more difficult to please? For the first time in what seems to be forever, we are actually one of the best teams in the NBA, a clear title contender, with most guys healthy for the first time and are in position to do great things. And yet we want to bring any negativity available to argue about it?

I wasn't much of a Melo fan before this season. Yeah, he is a Knick, but the way he got here and the Linsanity fiasco left me ambivalent. That is, until he started backing up his pre-season words with definitive action. He really carried this team on his back during many troubles with injuries. Not only that, he did make a great effort in making those around him better, that with assists, hockey assists, rebounds and good defense. He has, probably for the first time in his life, become a true leader in the eyes of his teammates. You can sense that it isn't them praising the star player but actually believing this guy can lead them to greatness.

Now we have a healthy and beasting Stoudemire along with most guys healthy and judging by the last two games, we could be coming back to our 6-0 shape we started with, only with a healthier group. Melo is a big part of this success, but what is amazing about this season's team is that it finally resembles a solid all-around team. Where we would be without Chandler's defense, rebounding and sometimes automatic offense? Without great 6th man J.R. Smith? Without the PG play of Felton? Without the leadership of Kidd? Without the now beasting Amar'e? Novack may be heating up again. Shump is just getting ready. Camby has yet to fully contribute and Sheed proved he has much left in the tank and will help A LOT once he comes back.

We finally have a solid, deep TEAM! This team is starving for a title and know that with everybody playing their roles, they have a solid chance. But it not about one specific player, its about them all. They are a force as a TEAM.

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For me, the joy of watching this team will come when carmelo and a few others on this team are gone.. hopefully it is soon...


From Melo, to Marbury, to Sprewell, to Mason, and to King, I've always rooted for the name on the Front Of The Jersey as opposed to the names on the back. Once they put on the blue and orange I become a fan and root for them to help my team win.

Real fans do.

But did you follow King to the Bullets? Follow Sprewell to Minny? Pulled for Marbury in Boston? Watched all of Mason's game with the Hornets?

Hell no.

Cant say I rooted for any of them when they went to another team. Did keep a very close eye on Strickland when he went to the Spurs and Blazers but it wasn't the same....

The typical response for YEARS has/was to say fuk them once they traded in the Blue and Orange armor. Now, guys get emotionally invested in these guys, can't find happiness with them on other teams. I think these guys have mental problems. Not their fandom but, their seeming depression over the loss. Kinda like that Tayshon Prince fan that looks so dejected when he didn't come out of the tunnel.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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