In regards to Lin, it really is all related to the new cba.

smackeddog wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

We got Amar'e, who got Felton and Melo, who got JR and Tyson, who got Kidd, Camby and Sheed. Fair or not, Zach Randolph and Crawford were not draws to other players.

And I get so sick of this blazing hypocrisy and revisionist history. People HATED Zach for his lack of defense. They spent Jamal Crawford's entire stint here blasting him for shot selection and poor defense. People wined none stop about 'Avid Lee' and his complete lack of D. Now they are gods, while people blast the players we do have. Its the same c*** over and over! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

So far...smackeddog is the only logical thinker a d fan on this board. I wish we had more knick fans like this. We trash the players we have. And praise them when they leave. And you wonder why we cant keep any talent. This isnt Oklahoma where fans and the culture is to wait it out. Its ny fast pace hustle impatient rich snobs that wants instant gratification. ...at any cost.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

We got Amar'e, who got Felton and Melo, who got JR and Tyson, who got Kidd, Camby and Sheed. Fair or not, Zach Randolph and Crawford were not draws to other players.

And I get so sick of this blazing hypocrisy and revisionist history. People HATED Zach for his lack of defense. They spent Jamal Crawford's entire stint here blasting him for shot selection and poor defense. People wined none stop about 'Avid Lee' and his complete lack of D. Now they are gods, while people blast the players we do have. Its the same c*** over and over! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

So far...smackeddog is the only logical thinker a d fan on this board. I wish we had more knick fans like this. We trash the players we have. And praise them when they leave. And you wonder why we cant keep any talent. This isnt Oklahoma where fans and the culture is to wait it out. Its ny fast pace hustle impatient rich snobs that wants instant gratification. ...at any cost.

You havent been around here too long have you? You just insulted a multitude of Knicks fans on the board,me being one of them. Not a good way to start on this board.
I have been a proud Knicks fan for over 45 years so please dont generalize and please be more specific before you speak nonsense.

blkexec wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

sebstar wrote:

franco12 wrote:its not just the Melo trade - its every deal made over the last 5-10 years.

This franchise is essentially over-leveraged like a bank - and they borrow against tomorrow for a mediocre today.

Letting Lin go for nothing is just one more example of mismanagement.

Signing Amar'e when we missed out on Lebron - another move that might have been better played by keeping Lee (possibly at a home team discount?) rather than signing a star just for the sake of making a move.

Great post...to flesh this out, we essentially traded Zach, crawford, lee, and two lottery pics just to have the OPTION of signing lebron james and another big free agent. That strategy failed, and all we had to show for it was Amare, who is broken down.

Thats the reason why we had to rely on older talent...not the melo trade. We gave up mediocre talent for a top 5 player in his prime. Get real. The cupboard was bare when melo was traded her, because of the mismanagement of the previous regime.

We got Amar'e, who got Felton and Melo, who got JR and Tyson, who got Kidd, Camby and Sheed. Fair or not, Zach Randolph and Crawford were not draws to other players.

And I get so sick of this blazing hypocrisy and revisionist history. People HATED Zach for his lack of defense. They spent Jamal Crawford's entire stint here blasting him for shot selection and poor defense. People wined none stop about 'Avid Lee' and his complete lack of D. Now they are gods, while people blast the players we do have. Its the same c*** over and over! AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!

So far...smackeddog is the only logical thinker a d fan on this board. I wish we had more knick fans like this. We trash the players we have. And praise them when they leave. And you wonder why we cant keep any talent. This isnt Oklahoma where fans and the culture is to wait it out. Its ny fast pace hustle impatient rich snobs that wants instant gratification. ...at any cost.

You havent been around here too long have you? You just insulted a multitude of Knicks fans on the board,me being one of them. Not a good way to start on this board.
I have been a proud Knicks fan for over 45 years so please dont generalize and please be more specific before you speak nonsense.

You are right.....I only read the first page.....I couldnt stand reading any more garbage. And I could give a rats azz if I went against the entire world. U cant be serious with that comment. Same old sob story from the same old knick fans.

YOUR POINT?

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Anji wrote:Subterfuge strikes again...............

I've been more right than wrong but it happens to the best of us.

lol 9% drop could help get more fans in the door. We're in the Top 5....98% clip in sales.

Which proves my suspicion of you from jump. Seems like your main objective on this board is not as a fan of the Knicks, but as an "I told you so," poster who wants to be proven right and to own other posters...

No Uptown otherwise I wouldn't have such an easy time admitting wrong. I did so in the J.R. Smith $50mil contract thread too.

It seems you only posts in efforts to attack the identity. There is no suspicion with you, you've clearly made it known your stance with me.

My advice to you is try and post and discuss more about basketball instead of who I am.

This coming from someone who recently congratulated another poster for calling Briggs out.....POT MEET THE FREAKIN KETTLE WHY DON'T YOU

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:When we win a championship with Melo this year will this all be moot?

What if we are in the finals and someone says something mean? Serious question

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Anji wrote:Subterfuge strikes again...............

I've been more right than wrong but it happens to the best of us.

lol 9% drop could help get more fans in the door. We're in the Top 5....98% clip in sales.

Which proves my suspicion of you from jump. Seems like your main objective on this board is not as a fan of the Knicks, but as an "I told you so," poster who wants to be proven right and to own other posters...

No Uptown otherwise I wouldn't have such an easy time admitting wrong. I did so in the J.R. Smith $50mil contract thread too.

It seems you only posts in efforts to attack the identity. There is no suspicion with you, you've clearly made it known your stance with me.

My advice to you is try and post and discuss more about basketball instead of who I am.

This coming from someone who recently congratulated another poster for calling Briggs out.....POT MEET THE FREAKIN KETTLE WHY DON'T YOU

First off, I didnt congratulate anyone for calling Briggs out, because I called him out myself. I discuss plenty of basketball, strategy etc. I'm a Middle school BB coach and I love to discuss strategy. You dont see my posts that involve X's and O's because when I quote your posts, its usually to debunk your agenda based drivel. How about you take some of your own advice and discuss BB instead of jumping from thread to thread that bare's Melo's name to tear him down.

It's tiring as a Knick fan to see positive threads get derailed by posts that lack objectivity particularly the Melo for MVP thread which you tried your hardest to include every freakin' NBA player in the league as an MVP candidate as to minimize what Melo has done this season. When that didn't work, you spent post after post telling everyone how the MVP award is meaningless. Dude, we are Knick fans! Let it Be! Whats wrong with a Knick fan rooting for Melo? Jeez!

Some of the posts that you and a few others make would work on an NBA forum, but they can be tough to stomach on a site titled "Ultimateknicks.com"

As far as attacking your identity, wouldn't you find it suspicious if a former Bulls/Jordan fan all of a sudden became a fan of its most heated rival? Then that same so-called fan who jumped ship, spends 90% of his posts tearing down the team that he supposedly is a fan of now. Makes no sense to me. But moving along, the moment you start talking real Knick basketball, is the moment I will quote your posts and add on or debate, whatever. But when you continue to go great lengths as it seems to turn a positive into a negative or make mountains out of mole-hills then my suspicions will arise and it will make me question you and think is this agenda or real?

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Anji wrote:Subterfuge strikes again...............

I've been more right than wrong but it happens to the best of us.

lol 9% drop could help get more fans in the door. We're in the Top 5....98% clip in sales.

Which proves my suspicion of you from jump. Seems like your main objective on this board is not as a fan of the Knicks, but as an "I told you so," poster who wants to be proven right and to own other posters...

No Uptown otherwise I wouldn't have such an easy time admitting wrong. I did so in the J.R. Smith $50mil contract thread too.

It seems you only posts in efforts to attack the identity. There is no suspicion with you, you've clearly made it known your stance with me.

My advice to you is try and post and discuss more about basketball instead of who I am.

This coming from someone who recently congratulated another poster for calling Briggs out.....POT MEET THE FREAKIN KETTLE WHY DON'T YOU

First off, I didnt congratulate anyone for calling Briggs out, because I called him out myself. I discuss plenty of basketball, strategy etc. I'm a Middle school BB coach and I love to discuss strategy. You dont see my posts that involve X's and O's because when I quote your posts, its usually to debunk your agenda based drivel. How about you take some of your own advice and discuss BB instead of jumping from thread to thread that bare's Melo's name to tear him down.

It's tiring as a Knick fan to see positive threads get derailed by posts that lack objectivity particularly the Melo for MVP thread which you tried your hardest to include every freakin' NBA player in the league as an MVP candidate as to minimize what Melo has done this season. When that didn't work, you spent post after post telling everyone how the MVP award is meaningless. Dude, we are Knick fans! Let it Be! Whats wrong with a Knick fan rooting for Melo? Jeez!

Some of the posts that you and a few others make would work on an NBA forum, but they can be tough to stomach on a site titled "Ultimateknicks.com"

As far as attacking your identity, wouldn't you find it suspicious if a former Bulls/Jordan fan all of a sudden became a fan of its most heated rival? Then that same so-called fan who jumped ship, spends 90% of his posts tearing down the team that he supposedly is a fan of now. Makes no sense to me. But moving along, the moment you start talking real Knick basketball, is the moment I will quote your posts and add on or debate, whatever. But when you continue to go great lengths as it seems to turn a positive into a negative or make mountains out of mole-hills then my suspicions will arise and it will make me question you and think is this agenda or real?

Well said.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Anji wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:When we win a championship with Melo this year will this all be moot?

What if we are in the finals and someone says something mean? Serious question

Dude your an idiot. Last week wasn't the first Melo has ever played against KG.

Alright cool guy, idiot this idiot that, great way to go through life,

But what if someone says something about lala, you didn't answer the question,

Anji wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Anji wrote:Subterfuge strikes again...............

I've been more right than wrong but it happens to the best of us.

lol 9% drop could help get more fans in the door. We're in the Top 5....98% clip in sales.

Which proves my suspicion of you from jump. Seems like your main objective on this board is not as a fan of the Knicks, but as an "I told you so," poster who wants to be proven right and to own other posters...

No Uptown otherwise I wouldn't have such an easy time admitting wrong. I did so in the J.R. Smith $50mil contract thread too.

It seems you only posts in efforts to attack the identity. There is no suspicion with you, you've clearly made it known your stance with me.

My advice to you is try and post and discuss more about basketball instead of who I am.

This coming from someone who recently congratulated another poster for calling Briggs out.....POT MEET THE FREAKIN KETTLE WHY DON'T YOU

First off, I didnt congratulate anyone for calling Briggs out, because I called him out myself. I discuss plenty of basketball, strategy etc. I'm a Middle school BB coach and I love to discuss strategy. You dont see my posts that involve X's and O's because when I quote your posts, its usually to debunk your agenda based drivel. How about you take some of your own advice and discuss BB instead of jumping from thread to thread that bare's Melo's name to tear him down.

It's tiring as a Knick fan to see positive threads get derailed by posts that lack objectivity particularly the Melo for MVP thread which you tried your hardest to include every freakin' NBA player in the league as an MVP candidate as to minimize what Melo has done this season. When that didn't work, you spent post after post telling everyone how the MVP award is meaningless. Dude, we are Knick fans! Let it Be! Whats wrong with a Knick fan rooting for Melo? Jeez!

Some of the posts that you and a few others make would work on an NBA forum, but they can be tough to stomach on a site titled "Ultimateknicks.com"

As far as attacking your identity, wouldn't you find it suspicious if a former Bulls/Jordan fan all of a sudden became a fan of its most heated rival? Then that same so-called fan who jumped ship, spends 90% of his posts tearing down the team that he supposedly is a fan of now. Makes no sense to me. But moving along, the moment you start talking real Knick basketball, is the moment I will quote your posts and add on or debate, whatever. But when you continue to go great lengths as it seems to turn a positive into a negative or make mountains out of mole-hills then my suspicions will arise and it will make me question you and think is this agenda or real?

.....................Subterfuge, he'll now post all the quotes were he agreed with someone ........................................................................................... ........................................................................................... ........................................................................................... ........................................................................................... ................................................... Subterfuge

Seriously...I swear dude keeps meticulous folders and documents of all his posts, numerous articles of Melo when he's gotten in trouble and off kilter quotes so he could easily own another poster and lolmnop or whatever that juvenile nonsense he does. I better be careful because now that I've outted-him, I'm sure he's documenting all of my posts and will use against me if I slip...