callmened wrote:gotcha. thanks. so most likely we'll resign him unless he asks for some "ridiculous" contract. lol

Well it is not really him asking it is what another team will offer him like Lin. Just hope everything will work out this time. If a team doesn't try to pick him up then he can ask for something and if it is not ridiculous they will sign him and if it is he will play for the qualifying offer and become a UFA the following year. I think all that is right.

callmened wrote:@Ronron...just a couple of thoughts

1. I know im not BRIGGS but ive played and watch a LOT of college bball. the quality of this draft sucks at the top and bottom. sure there might be some sleeper picks and stars but its too difficult to judge. I just dont think its worth the risk to start trading future picks for a draft this weak.

Reality = we will draft a Euro player and trade them immedicately

2. Amare wont retire and thinks he can still contribute. He feels embarrassed and wants to produce. Third, one can argue in trading Tyson bu it just wont happen. Its a pride thing, knicks brass made so many moves to get the big 3 (tyson, melo, amare) that trading them before their contracts expire would be admitting defeat.

Reality = Tyson, Melo and Amare will not be moves until they are expiring contracts.

3. In regards to JR and the other free agents, I'm not sure what to do. Most likely JR will want more than the $5 million that we can offer him via Birds Rights. JR of course will earn MORE than that due to his great play. Copeland as well has earned himself a solid contract (probably in the $3-5mil range). KMart has played well but hes still old and injury prone. Im not sure how much hell want or earn

Reality = most likely we'll lose JR so knicks have to start thinking of replacements. (SG Foye, Rush). Knicks have to decide if Copeland is worth keeping. They can probably use the $3MLE on him. Once again, the knicks are STUCK due to their salary cap problems. They should be creative (by trading Tyson and other assets) but they wont due to stubbornness.

just my $0.02

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also like Euro Westbrook and that PF/C from Farmingdale that under the radar like built like AR 2.0
Maybe Walters/Eric Green/ or whoever else that will fall

there are a lot of players that will have potential or/and be able to contribute from mid 20's to mid 30s
There are a lot of Euro players that are picked in this area because of the way the contracts are structured vs 1st rounders, which can be used as an asset or a player to develop
While there are no clear cut "STARS" in the top of the draft, I think this is actually a deep draft for "role players" and under "star" players

As for Amare, Melo, Tyson
They are no longer our "big 3"
JR has earned that spot as our 2nd man after Melo
While Tyson is starting to break down and it is clear that we play much better with an all round player like Kmart
Tyson's DEF has been under average at best for most of the season, it is not the DPOY standards as Kmart as outplayed Tyson
Now, maybe we need Tyson to step up in the post season, but I think JR is more important to the team than Tyson
I would gladly take Hickson and a vet min player's production, possibly gain a full MLE vs mini MLE in the process, if we can unload him to a team like Portland
Not even expecting the 12 pick back, just to get that exemption like LA got for Odom that turned to Nash
I would be happy with a 2nd round pick or 2 in the process

As for Amare, lets just say he is closer to a 9th man than the "STAR" we signed for 100m

As for Copeland, I think he can get anywhere from 2-5m per year, I am not sure if we have the ability to match the offer or not, but as long as it isn't structured like
Fields deal or higher, we probably should match, but we never know with the Knicks management
Also Copeland has been playing the C with much more success and had the least success at the SF position
He has lack of speed issue, without much hops, but a solid handle
When a Center is defending him, he gets to expose the mismatch while most C's do not have the ability to defend his 3point shot and stop him from penetrating without help
He has been most effective at this position and I think a team like Spur's will give him a decent contract
His DEF and effort has been there, he did a great job vs OKC and Hibbert who is much bigger than Cope

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Size is overrated in the PG position, speed/quickness is much more important in today's NBA game
Just look at Vazquez, Calderon, George Hill, any many BIG PG's without the speed/quickness/athleticism combined together

This draft is very deep, from 25-40, you can still get quality players, I think the early/mid 2nd round picks have a lot of value this draft
I totally believe we can get many steals and would move Chandler with his injuries for Hickson, a 2nd round pick, and most importantly the trade exemption
Double that up with our own pick to Cleveland for 2-3 picks and we will have the combination of youth/yoots/veterans needed to keep us contenders/with players to build on for the future for the next couple of years

Let's face it, Woodson prefers veterans a little too much, it is up to Grunweld, to give him the right combination of experience and young healthy talent for balance

am i wrong about russ smith? i watch a lot of college ball. he didnt seem very consistent to me

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callmened wrote:yea i agree briggs..i wouldnt mind the 2 baylor kids...jefferson and jackson

am i wrong about russ smith? i watch a lot of college ball. he didnt seem very consistent to me

Hes a 6-0 2 G who doesnt shoot well but he is quick and a potential 1st team all nba defender type at PG

With the shooters *if we still have them* we have and our need at DEFENDING THE PG it would be the perfect fit while he continues to improve his shot with Hopla
This is why I wanted Barea and Nate Robinson *although I never thought he would have signed a vet min contract last summer*
Their defense is quite under rated as well, they stay of their man and although not as good as a defender like Russ Smith, they get the job done
They both would fit in with how we like to play
While Barea penetrates better, Nate Robinson has the better shot, but they are both better than average on both

Nate Robinson surely as anoymosity towards JR/Melo/Novak *from taunting* and the Knick's from the brawl and organization from being traded/Dantoni's dog house
Outside of that, I would love for a return for his services