holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:You guys are arguing about two below avg guards

Naw, give them some credit..Both are at least average...I'm tough on Lin but he isn't bad...

I change my post to help.
Statically they are both below avg and according to synergy Lin is the better defender. Although Synergy is not perfect but Lin is statically better.

I think both will improve and both could have worked here. I like Lin and I like Felton. I do believe Felton needs to shoot less and will once Amar'e and Shump gets back. Also, Hopefully Tyson will help Felton out like he is helping Kidd out by taking shots and driving to the basket which would take some more shots away from Felton.

So, just a question..U have seen both players with your own eyes??..Who is a better defender??

defense is not running around drunk like Felton and TD.

Lin plays much better team defense and is a far smarter defender.

Weren't the knicks a better defensive team with Lin at PG that Felton?

Honestly, If you say u played ball...How embarrassing was it to watch Lin run into as many picks as he did defending last year as a Knick??..You say u know the game..Please elaborate on this...He looked like a college freshman, yes or no, be honest!!!!

He was a rookie. He also was pretty crafty at reading the passing lanes. I guess you need to know how to pass the ball to be able to predict what someone else might do.

Lin is not a good defender and neither is Felton. I my opinion, Felton is worse with his TD style defense.

VCoug wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Hey metrics guys, Sefolosha has a +27 in the plus/minus column, Is that good???

Metric guys are not real fans of +/- .

Yeah, it's a bad stat

Oh man, it's nice to hear someone else say that. It's become so common to talk about individual player's +/- in single games that I'd pretty much stopped even talking about it. No one should be using +/- unless you're talking about 3, 4, and 5-man lineups.

Tell that to Alan Hahn. He swears by it

A lot of people do and it drives me crazy.

Thats why John Hollinger gets a job with the Memphis Grizzlies while those guys just cover their home teams

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:You guys are arguing about two below avg guards

Naw, give them some credit..Both are at least average...I'm tough on Lin but he isn't bad...

I change my post to help.
Statically they are both below avg and according to synergy Lin is the better defender. Although Synergy is not perfect but Lin is statically better.

I think both will improve and both could have worked here. I like Lin and I like Felton. I do believe Felton needs to shoot less and will once Amar'e and Shump gets back. Also, Hopefully Tyson will help Felton out like he is helping Kidd out by taking shots and driving to the basket which would take some more shots away from Felton.

So, just a question..U have seen both players with your own eyes??..Who is a better defender??

defense is not running around drunk like Felton and TD.

Lin plays much better team defense and is a far smarter defender.

Weren't the knicks a better defensive team with Lin at PG that Felton?

Honestly, If you say u played ball...How embarrassing was it to watch Lin run into as many picks as he did defending last year as a Knick??..You say u know the game..Please elaborate on this...He looked like a college freshman, yes or no, be honest!!!!

He was a rookie. He also was pretty crafty at reading the passing lanes. I guess you need to know how to pass the ball to be able to predict what someone else might do.

Lin is not a good defender and neither is Felton. I my opinion, Felton is worse with his TD style defense.

Really??, I guess defense wasn't your craft because u can't recognize it...How many picks did u see Lin go under tonight and Westbrook pull up for the jumper???..How many??...My guess it's the reason he rode the pine a bit tonight...Felton almost never goes under a pick...Defense 101...

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:You guys are arguing about two below avg guards

Naw, give them some credit..Both are at least average...I'm tough on Lin but he isn't bad...

I change my post to help.
Statically they are both below avg and according to synergy Lin is the better defender. Although Synergy is not perfect but Lin is statically better.

I think both will improve and both could have worked here. I like Lin and I like Felton. I do believe Felton needs to shoot less and will once Amar'e and Shump gets back. Also, Hopefully Tyson will help Felton out like he is helping Kidd out by taking shots and driving to the basket which would take some more shots away from Felton.

So, just a question..U have seen both players with your own eyes??..Who is a better defender??

defense is not running around drunk like Felton and TD.

Lin plays much better team defense and is a far smarter defender.

Weren't the knicks a better defensive team with Lin at PG that Felton?

Honestly, If you say u played ball...How embarrassing was it to watch Lin run into as many picks as he did defending last year as a Knick??..You say u know the game..Please elaborate on this...He looked like a college freshman, yes or no, be honest!!!!

He was a rookie. He also was pretty crafty at reading the passing lanes. I guess you need to know how to pass the ball to be able to predict what someone else might do.

Lin is not a good defender and neither is Felton. I my opinion, Felton is worse with his TD style defense.

Really??, I guess defense wasn't your craft because u can't recognize it...How many picks did u see Lin go under tonight and Westbrook pull up for the jumper???..How many??...My guess it's the reason he rode the pine a bit tonight...Felton almost never goes under a pick...Defense 101...

I think it is a bad example using Westbrook....
How else would u defend Westbrook?
I am sure 99% of the players in the NBA all would do the same because of his athleticism, strength, and physical abilities and he can also penetrate/finish with ease and with contact?
Going over the screen is basically inviting him to the lane and penetrate

Westbrook was the example because it was the current game played...And you are taught to go over the pick as a basketball player not under it at this level because the players are such good shooters...He goes under the and it's an uncontested jumper every time which is what happened...U hear Clyde talk about nightly..And it doesn't matter who the player is, Westbrook or Bibby...In college you are actually taught to do both depending on how good a shooter the ball handler is...But u give Westbrook an inch and he is launching an uncontested jumper...U have to think u have help defense if he turns thee corner..

RonRon wrote:@holfresh, I wasn't trying to attack your post with my response earlier.

I do think it is flawed example because vs a player like Westbrook, you have to respect his ability to penetrate, finish with contact, and vs multiple defenders.
It does make a difference who you are defending, as well as the position of the team's DEF and offense, the skills of both rosters, etc...
For a SHOOTER, YOU NEVER go under, but Westbrook is no REGGIE MILLER....

If he is willing to take a semi contested/contested jumper, I think ANYONE in the league and coach would rather have him do so, even if he hits them.
Inviting him to the paint is a no brainer NOT TO DO, it can give him a foul + basket, allow his team to get a wide open layup or shot *and they all expect this*

Westbrook taking many bad jumper's is bad for team chemistry and doesn't allow others to get in rhythm, a reason why they loss to The Heat last year.
As many as he can make, he will go through stretches where he will miss many consecutive shots, in which he will start to lose confidence, and his team mates cannot get in rhythm/not expect a pass because he looks to shoot so many times.
It is the same reason why he often gets blasted, as he doesn't look to create for others at times, and rather look to create for himself with his physical skills.

Good post Ron Ron.

I am not sure what is taught but when I was coached to play defense, it always depended and how good of a shooter the guys was and how well he (consistently) did shooting from behind the pick. How well our center/forward showed and how good his man was. How fast the guard was and if I go over the top is he gone in the lane tearing up our defense.

I always look at the other team and see how they will handle each scenario.

Your point about Westbrook is a good one. Make him shoot his team out of games rather then allow him to kill you in the lane.

Rondo too. Most team go under since he is not a shooting thread.

Felton, teams are now all sagging off him ALWAYS daring him to shoot (and he shoots )

CP3/Nash you get killed either way though players generally go over the pick with them.

Luke Ridenour is a guy that you much chase over the pick and force him to drive.