tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:I get it now, if somehow MDA demonstrates further alienation tendancies with another player,
then Melo is obsolved of his sins!

Wow!

what exactly doe Homers stand to gain from this? IS melo up for sainthood? Vetting for a seat on the Supreme court?

You guys are that desporate for a hero?

it is absolutely amazing.... i have never seen a fan base root for the failure of 5 players and a coach to validate and hero worship one guy..... I thought if you like someone, you like them and didn't need others to fail to justify why you like them....

This thread isn't about rooting for players to fail or giving anyone praise.

At the same time you seem quick to create a scapegoat for a teams failures, but get upset when they recieve praise.

no, just annoyed at undue praise and people trying to force feed me greatness that isn't there...

Its an atmosphere that you helped create with over the top bias. You have no problem force feeding blame all onto one person when the team loses, but when they win you want to claim team and spread the praise around. Mean while you create standards for Denver, Lin, MDA by knocking the Knicks in order to propel them but get upset when they are criticised for not reaching those standards and cry foul. The only thing that annoys you is your desire to be right.

The title of this thread says a lot. Another teams lack of success began in preseason. Its not like MDA took over a fully functioning unit.

Can you turn around a team in 8 games? Not usually.

Woodson's 18-6 was different because he was already on the bench. It does not diminish the job he has done, but MDA's 8 game stint with his 3rd string PG does not elevate Woodsons either.

Pau is not able to run right now. He is missing two starters.

Why they lose last nite? Execution of a half court offense, defense lapse and future franchise player can't hit his FT's.

Him being a clown only makes it worse.

The eyes of the world are on MDA.

Its almost disrespectful to Woodson to compare or gains perspective. They are unrelated.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nash still can't run without feeling pain. They said next week at the earliest but that seems very optimistic if Nash is still hurting. If for some reason he was out for most of the season all hell will break loose in LA. Nice seeing another team become drama central for a change.

Seems Like drama follows MDA these days, not sure why he keeps taking JOBS that don't benefit him

Yeah, I think his biggest problem is job selection skills.

He needs to do what he did in Pheniox and go to a young rebuilding team which he can build to his vision.

I think the Toronto might be a good landing spot if Lowry and Calderon are still there. Barnagni could be his new Gallo!

It's early, but I don't think things will end well in Lakerland...feels like Kobe and Dwight are simultaneous going to release their coach and team cancer any moment...

Nalod wrote:I think fans are way quick to judge.

The title of this thread says a lot. Another teams lack of success began in preseason. Its not like MDA took over a fully functioning unit.

Can you turn around a team in 8 games? Not usually.

Woodson's 18-6 was different because he was already on the bench. It does not diminish the job he has done, but MDA's 8 game stint with his 3rd string PG does not elevate Woodsons either.

Pau is not able to run right now. He is missing two starters.

Why they lose last nite? Execution of a half court offense, defense lapse and future franchise player can't hit his FT's.

Him being a clown only makes it worse.

The eyes of the world are on MDA.

Its almost disrespectful to Woodson to compare or gains perspective. They are unrelated.

Again Nalod the thread wasn't about MDA. The teams lack of success before MDA only strengthens the perspective. You have Howard, Gasol, Kobe and they struggled to make the princeton offense work got one coach fired and now there is drama Laker land with the SSOL offense. Mike Brown went to the finals with Lebron James and average role players he isn't the horrible coach that he was made out to be in LA either.

Brown should have scrapped trying to install a system and let the players play and play to there strengths. Systems require specific personel to run smooth.

The Knicks struggled last season because the system didn't fit the personel. Instead of ppl accepting that they wanted to blame one specific person for all the problems. Now even greater players are struggling when put in the same situation.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:I think fans are way quick to judge.

The title of this thread says a lot. Another teams lack of success began in preseason. Its not like MDA took over a fully functioning unit.

Can you turn around a team in 8 games? Not usually.

Woodson's 18-6 was different because he was already on the bench. It does not diminish the job he has done, but MDA's 8 game stint with his 3rd string PG does not elevate Woodsons either.

Pau is not able to run right now. He is missing two starters.

Why they lose last nite? Execution of a half court offense, defense lapse and future franchise player can't hit his FT's.

Him being a clown only makes it worse.

The eyes of the world are on MDA.

Its almost disrespectful to Woodson to compare or gains perspective. They are unrelated.

Again Nalod the thread wasn't about MDA. The teams lack of success before MDA only strengthens the perspective. You have Howard, Gasol, Kobe and they struggled to make the princeton offense work got one coach fired and now there is drama Laker land with the SSOL offense. Mike Brown went to the finals with Lebron James and average role players he isn't the horrible coach that he was made out to be in LA either.

Brown should have scrapped trying to install a system and let the players play and play to there strengths. Systems require specific personel to run smooth.

The Knicks struggled last season because the system didn't fit the personel. Instead of ppl accepting that they wanted to blame one specific person for all the problems. Now even greater players are struggling when put in the same situation.

+1

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What does Melo's TS% have to do with the Lakers success(or lack of)?

Come on, you know that threads don't stay on the same topic for more than 2 or 3 pages. Start your own forum if you wanna be a moderator.

Shhhh Bonn.

You just stepped on my trap!

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:I get it now, if somehow MDA demonstrates further alienation tendancies with another player,
then Melo is obsolved of his sins!

Wow!

what exactly doe Homers stand to gain from this? IS melo up for sainthood? Vetting for a seat on the Supreme court?

You guys are that desporate for a hero?

it is absolutely amazing.... i have never seen a fan base root for the failure of 5 players and a coach to validate and hero worship one guy..... I thought if you like someone, you like them and didn't need others to fail to justify why you like them....

This thread isn't about rooting for players to fail or giving anyone praise.

At the same time you seem quick to create a scapegoat for a teams failures, but get upset when they recieve praise.

no, just annoyed at undue praise and people trying to force feed me greatness that isn't there...

Its an atmosphere that you helped create with over the top bias. You have no problem force feeding blame all onto one person when the team loses, but when they win you want to claim team and spread the praise around. Mean while you create standards for Denver, Lin, MDA by knocking the Knicks in order to propel them but get upset when they are criticised for not reaching those standards and cry foul. The only thing that annoys you is your desire to be right.

your criticism is unfair. carmelo anthony has underachieved most of his career. not playing great defense and not being a playmaker will do that to a player and his teams. add to this that he has been an inefficient scorer-- what dunderheads call euphemistically a "volume shooter"-- and the first place you look is carmelo.

now is he more efficient thus far into the season. the answer is yes, in fact it is borderline good, 57.5TS. but his usage relative to his assist rate is an abomination. 34.7 to 11.3. yuuuuck. and his 3-point shooting percentage will certainly go down, dragging his efficiency down with it to his career level of absolute mediocrity: 53-55%. this hurts his team.

so the reason for the criticism is that carmelo anthony basically plays basketball in a kind of vacuum the vast majority of the time. win or lose, he is going to accumulate points, mostly inefficiently, while not making others better on either end of the floor.

The criticism is fair of Melo's game. But at the same time the guy has won 591% of his games in Denver and made the playoffs every yr of his career and is on pace to having a great season in NY. If he was as bad as you claim he doesn't achieve that. He also has went to the WCF which tells me that these issues you have against him can be worked with. You guys act as if he is a some mediocre career loser.

IMO I think a lot of those issues can be worked out with personel and coaching, Example Woodson is a defensive first coach the first that Melo has played with in his NBA career. Is it a suprise to you that he now is playing the most defense effort he has played with since Woodson took over. The key with his usage, playmaking ability, and shot selection is that he is cappable. It comes down to him trusting his teammates. He has played some of the best basketball of his career with Billups and Kidd, I don't think that is a conicidence. But his ability to produce, his clutch gene(minus this season) and versatility isn't something that grows on trees.

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:I get it now, if somehow MDA demonstrates further alienation tendancies with another player,
then Melo is obsolved of his sins!

Wow!

what exactly doe Homers stand to gain from this? IS melo up for sainthood? Vetting for a seat on the Supreme court?

You guys are that desporate for a hero?

it is absolutely amazing.... i have never seen a fan base root for the failure of 5 players and a coach to validate and hero worship one guy..... I thought if you like someone, you like them and didn't need others to fail to justify why you like them....

This thread isn't about rooting for players to fail or giving anyone praise.

At the same time you seem quick to create a scapegoat for a teams failures, but get upset when they recieve praise.

no, just annoyed at undue praise and people trying to force feed me greatness that isn't there...

Its an atmosphere that you helped create with over the top bias. You have no problem force feeding blame all onto one person when the team loses, but when they win you want to claim team and spread the praise around. Mean while you create standards for Denver, Lin, MDA by knocking the Knicks in order to propel them but get upset when they are criticised for not reaching those standards and cry foul. The only thing that annoys you is your desire to be right.

your criticism is unfair. carmelo anthony has underachieved most of his career. not playing great defense and not being a playmaker will do that to a player and his teams. add to this that he has been an inefficient scorer-- what dunderheads call euphemistically a "volume shooter"-- and the first place you look is carmelo.

now is he more efficient thus far into the season. the answer is yes, in fact it is borderline good, 57.5TS. but his usage relative to his assist rate is an abomination. 34.7 to 11.3. yuuuuck. and his 3-point shooting percentage will certainly go down, dragging his efficiency down with it to his career level of absolute mediocrity: 53-55%. this hurts his team.

so the reason for the criticism is that carmelo anthony basically plays basketball in a kind of vacuum the vast majority of the time. win or lose, he is going to accumulate points, mostly inefficiently, while not making others better on either end of the floor.

Yeah, I don't think Melo's become a more efficient scorer. Once his 3 point % regresses towards his career average, his TS% will too.

You do know that players have seasons which exeed or fall below there career averages all the time right? A player has a yr which he shoots 50% from the field then has another yr which he shoots 40% from the field. Though he is at 45% at career average he wasn't a 45 % shooter the first season or a 45% shooter his 2nd season.

Career average deosn't tell the story from season to season. Felton shot 38% from 3 for 80games his last season in Charlotte his career average before that was like 30%.