3G4G wrote:tkf wrote:3G4G wrote:Knixkik wrote:jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:JamesLin wrote:This thread is just retarded. Not even a good question. Just a question trying to stir up the 'what if' situation. The writer is just too stupid to realize this thread is just a troll thread. The trade was made by Jim Dolan. Sacrificing too much? Hell yes. Just imagine if the trade didn't go through:1. We would have solid bench young players.
2. We would have enough cap space to get a legit starter/star like Howard.
3. Gallo is proven to be solid player
4. We would still be getting veteran players that will play here for minimum
5. Kidd would be training Lin instead of playing along side with Felton.
6. Amar'e would be awesome on being the main star
7. We would still be way under the cap to rebuild a dynasty
8. We might have been able to get Phil to coach.
There's a lot of ifs. You're writing this thread to try to convince we're a championship team now? Stop sucking on your mama titties and grow up.
This post is very incorrect. We would get a legit star other than Melo? Who? These guys aren't waiting until free agency anymore. Vets like Kidd may not have come here if they didn't feel this team had a legit chance to compete. And Lin would not be here because we would have Felton. We would also not be under the salary cap because players like Gallo and Chandler would have needed to be paid. Saying these things is like saying we would have won the lottery and drafted a instant star player. People here are living in the "best case scenario world" assuming these things would have happened if we never traded for Melo. Dolan has not been a good owner, but i won't hold this against him just because of a 5% chance of some of these things coming true if he didn't make the trade. Very high likelood we would be overpaying role players and being well over the cap if we never got Melo. We would not be 4-0 right now, we would just be a .500 ball club with a chance to get to the playoffs, but not do anything when we get there. But everyone would be happy because we have draft picks that can hopefully turn into decent players right? And cap space that can hopefully turn into another star player right? SMH.
Arguing coherently against MeloHate is a waste of keyboard skills, but really, that's why we're all here, right?
1) Solid bench young players. <----this isn't even a sentence, let alone having anything truly meaningful to say. This is what NY sports has always been all about attaining: solid young bench players.
2) ...get legit starter/star like Howard <-----Yes, Melo is neither a star or a legit starter. Maybe Melo would be a solid bench player in the rest of the league. SMH
3) Gallo is proven solid player <------We're into our third SEASON of Waiting for Gallo. But who's counting. We have all the time in the Melohate world, right?
4) Still get veteran players for minimum <-------Yes, in your world, sub and barely .500 teams with a broken down Stat attract all sorts of people. Mostly miscreant fans like yourself.
5) Kidd training Lin instead of Felton<-------And Kidd being a professional trainer to your manlove protege is what's best for him, instead of hitting threes and getting dimes in real games, right? You'd rather he make your little god into a better player than what he's doing now for the whole team (including Felton and JR, right?)
6) Amare awesome as main star <----- does this have any basis in any other reality that he was breaking down trying to fill this role and your Melohate?
7) Cap space building dynasties <------yes this happens each and everyday in the NBA.
8) Phil coaches <-------- yes, this dream happens when all 7 other points happen, and right before we all fart rainbows and just before Gallo gets inducted into the HOF, and the Mayor leads the league in scoring and Moz is DPOY and....
Very very very very well said.
4) Still get veteran players for minimum <-------Yes, in your world, sub and barely .500 teams with a broken down Stat attract all sorts of people. Mostly miscreant fans like yourself.
His 4th point was idiotic and not very well said because we didn't get anyone but Ronnie Brewer/Rasheed(who came out of retirement to get 1 last check)/White(an overseas bum) to sign here for the Minimum this summer.
If you're saying this team prior to the Melo trade wouldn't have been capable of doing the above, then what you're saying is New York was never going to be an attractive destination and Donnie Walsh and any other GM were incompetent as all get out.
As to his 2nd point all he's saying another Star player would have been acquired without the great sacrifice and killing off all future flexibility. Melo is a questionable STAR in the true sense of what it's supposed to mean.
3g, what is killing most fans is point #2.. they want so bad for melo to be "that star" to be mentioned along with the other guys, it kills them.. instead of accepting what he is.... as you said, he is as questionable a star as there is, and to me, that is the root of the problem here when you look at the trade as a whole...
I also agree with you on point #4.. no one is coming here without getting paid. .just look at kidd and the 3rd year he got, chandler's huge deal and camby's deal.....
I also find it funny how steve nash was considering toronto instead of NY.. what "star"was attracting him there? In the end, most, not all, but most guys follow the money...
True and what this is showing me from posters like jrodmc is how much HATERS they were prior to the trade by the statements they're making now. Which makes them more and more "Pot Meet Kettle" type of posters and fans.
There's no way in the first year of finally seeing what could transpire from 2yrs of roster misery under the new regime that replaced the Thomas one, a fan after 54gms caps this team out and essentially says "NO HOPE" of improving going forward.
Okay I'll keep this in mind when the Melo era is over...
According to them our only hope resides forever and always in the Melo era and having options or going young is never going to work
What this would tell anyone with any semblance of reading comprehension 3G, or enough forethought to see if I actually did HATE anything prior to the trade, is they should think before typing.
Even tkf can tell you I am and always have been the homer's homer. Including liking the Gallo/Lee combo at one point in time.
I liked the Melo trade. I continue to like the Melo trade. Years of 29-or-so-win seasons, one would think, would do that to you when making the playoffs with someone who actually thought about wearing BK's number.
Before you jump off the Marbles-made-the-playoffs-too bridge at me, I liked that move too, until IT drove the whole thing into the septic field.
The only move I had reservations about before "the trade", if you'd bother to look, was the JR Smith signing. I have since recanted my doubts and hate. Several dozen posts worth.
No amount of HATE would change the fact that D'Antoni, who I happened to like, had ridden Stat into the ground. Melo coming here did not cause Stat to break down. He was on his way down prior to the signing, when Moz started putting in time at the five, but way too late. Go back and look at the UK posts at that time period.
11/12/2012 6:44 PM