tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

TKF wants his lover back, and Melo was the reason his made of glass ass was shipped out.

seriously man, enough with the childish remarks, kind of disrespectful, I never approached you in such a manner, and I expect the same.... if you have nothing of value to offer take it somewhere else....

I am asking the mods, to seriously take a look at these types of troll post.. they are baiting and are made only to disrupt... way too often are these personal attacks happening and they have nothing to do with basketball. I ask that this please be addressed.. this has nothing to do with differences in opinions about the team... this is blatant, and out of line..

Whats the difference between that and you saying that those who disagree with you are drinking the "melo kool-aid"?

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Before I give an answer, let me say that last night was only the 2nd time I've watched the Grizz this year, so I cant really rely strictly on the eye-test to say who has had the biggest impact on that team night-in night-out.

To use my full criteria, I'm saying that Melo is the best player on a team that is tied for the best record. My criteria also mentioned that Melo, at this point, is leading the team in RBS and PTS. Just looking at the numbers and from what I saw last night, the only player that you could remotely mention is Zach Randolph. To me, he's the Grizz most important player. They have a really, really good team, but without him, any aspirations of finishing the year with the top record in the west would be mute. With him, they have a shot. Similar to Melo on the Knicks. Without him, any aspirations of finishing in the top 2-3 records in the east wouldn't be a possibility.

(PS,I only mention regular season because the MVP votes only count towards regular season performance)

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

TKF wants his lover back, and Melo was the reason his made of glass ass was shipped out.

seriously man, enough with the childish remarks, kind of disrespectful, I never approached you in such a manner, and I expect the same.... if you have nothing of value to offer take it somewhere else....

I am asking the mods, to seriously take a look at these types of troll post.. they are baiting and are made only to disrupt... way too often are these personal attacks happening and they have nothing to do with basketball. I ask that this please be addressed.. this has nothing to do with differences in opinions about the team... this is blatant, and out of line..

Whats the difference between that and you saying that those who disagree with you are drinking the "melo kool-aid"?

if you don't understand the difference then really I won't bother trying to explain..

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Before I give an answer, let me say that last night was only the 2nd time I've watched the Grizz this year, so I cant really rely strictly on the eye-test to say who has had the biggest impact on that team night-in night-out.

To use my full criteria, I'm saying that Melo is the best player on a team that is tied for the best record. My criteria also mentioned that Melo, at this point, is leading the team in RBS and PTS. Just looking at the numbers and from what I saw last night, the only player that you could remotely mention is Zach Randolph. To me, he's the Grizz most important player. They have a really, really good team, but without him, any aspirations of finishing the year with the top record in the west would be mute. With him, they have a shot. Similar to Melo on the Knicks. Without him, any aspirations of finishing in the top 2-3 records in the east wouldn't be a possibility.

(PS,I only mention regular season because the MVP votes only count towards regular season performance)

Melo is 2nd on the team in rebounds per game. Part of that is attributable to playing far more minutes than any other front-court player.

Stand corrected. Last time I checked the stats which was a couple of games ago, Melo was leading the team in RBS per. As of today, Chandler is averaging 7.7 and Melo is averaging 7.4.

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

Listen, nobody is saying that Melo has a hand in every single point we score and every single defensive stop we make. Bottom line, he is the leading scorer and rebounder on the team with the best record in the NBA at this point. If this continues into the the second half of the season, then the MVP talks will be legit. Doesn't mean he's going to win it, but he will definitely be in the discussion.

BTW, its hard to make an argument when you only watch part of a game.

using that criteria is it fair to say that anyone of the grizzlies front court players can be considered mvp candidates now that they have the best record in the league?

just asking..

Answer, yes of course they can.

Melo was leading league in scoring on the team that had the best record even if just for 5 games. Small sample and a short answer.

Lots of games to sort it all out. Melo either steps up or back into his career groove.

No, players on the Grizz would have to be among league leaders in something. Zbo is top in rebounding, and is their most valuable player. He'll likely be mention if things keep going this way.

yellowboy90 wrote:

knickscity wrote:You gotta be kidding, the biggest troll on the board whining about trolling? Lol....

That's what I said in my mind when I saw that but I have to admit I like TkF and 3G posts they're fun to read. I don't understand why posters still take what they say seriously when it comes to this team.

all you get from TKF is.....

"Lol", Melo will never this and that "sipping the cool kooll aide" "you Knicks fans kill me"

I don't think I've ever seen a positive post from that dude.

Then wants to try to threaten someone, when all he does is troll threads?

Bonn1997 wrote:Wow, this has really become the "gang up on TKF" thread

Lol!!!

He aint no saint, he baits, claims foul, then continues to derail anything positive on here.

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORiTISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

I am not sure that I have seen the pecking order that you reference but I wonder why Camby isn't getting minutes. When Wallace was getting into condition I seem to remember Woodson speaking about him a lot. Not hearing anything about Camby or why he isn't playing is frustrating. Camby had a tough time getting on the court his first go round with the Knicks.

I forgot to add besides Shump attempting to develop corny pop culture personality off the court I do want him to get back healthy A.S.A.P. so I can see him play on the court. If he's shown any maturation from last season, then I have no doubts he'll be a pleasure to watch.

Honest Question...

If Camby could hit the 3 ball do you think he's on the court?

Next Honest Question.....

Do you think Camby is so fragile it takes 2mos to recover from a strained calf injury?

Next Honest Question

We traded 2 2nd round picks/Jorts/Jordan/Douglas(paying Douglas salary in Houston/Tax Hit on Camby's salary/$10mil guaranteed of a $13.2mil deal to Cam and he hasn't even played meaningful minutes thus far but Kurt Thomas continues to get his number called before him and then when you factor Prigs is getting spot minutes at backup point can you understand why fans lament the Lin debacle even though Lin isn't tearing up the league but getting minutes and slowly developing?

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.

Interesting.,..I didn't think personal likes and dislikes of individuals factors into rooting for your team...Like perceived "high character" is part of the equation...I think some of the guys u may have issues with are "high character" guys but not your type of character...But it's all good..There are guys here who I didn't root for before but once they got here, hey they play for my home team...They are one of us now...For me it's about results..We all sit here and talk about what direction to take to get the best results...Proof is in the pudding..Results are here...This group looks like they can compete...I'm not going to let the fact that we trade Chandler or Reezy stop me from basking in the glow...

I've been waiting for this a long time...Who is to say your way, or my way, was the right way...If there are 100 guys posting here, they can come up with 100 different scenarios to win and get better...Which is the best way?? who cares..results baby...All I care about now is, we look like we are on the cusp of something...To me, that's all any fan wants...The joy of being a fan is here, finally, and it took a long time..Having a team that can compete and are in every game...Make noise in June...I don't need a guy I like and rooting for wearing the shorts of my team or have a coach do all the things I like...Team before individuals, winning and results thumps everything...It's all good tho...Hope u sort it out and so you can enjoy the ride for the team your backing...Go Knicks!!!!

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:Man...Just a question...3G amd tkf...Are u guys Knick fans or still Knicks fans...I ask because the play thus far of this team is what we have been looking for about 10 years now...I have no idea if this continues...But looking at coaching and the team itself, they seem to be on the verge of something...We went toe to toe with some of the NBA's best and hung in there and stumbled a little...Isn't that what u want as a fan in November..Who cares how we got here..We are here...There is no true right path...No true right players to make up a winning team...Sometimes it just happens...This team looks close...Aren't you in the least bit happy about that??...

I'm not gonna lie the team is difficult to root for with certain players on it but I can be won over. Major doubts remain for me. I do not like our overall chucking style of play even though we are moving the ball. I would like to see us shoot 20 3's/gm as an average. We're playing to look for the 3 or pull up out of PNR or Lob out of PNR.

Kidd has surprised me a lot. I even give credit to Sheed for the long layoff and yet he looks like he hasn't lost a whole lot. Didn't care for his antics and carrying on yesterday. I do feel the age factors in for sustained levels of high play as the season progresses. I guess you can't fault the player and more so the acquisition in general. I don't see this roster staying together for a long time. I see constant changing parts those of which won't provide any major impact on making us become a force for yrs to come.

There are players on this team who I don't dislike but never liked their style of play. Such as Brewer and Chandler.

Smith has improved along with Melo in terms of team play although I dislike them as players/game/individuals. I don't think they have high character at all.

I think Woodson is somewhat of a parody of himself, I think he tries too hard to get his George Micheal on. I do like the fact he's made this team play defense and he will not play you unless you're playing it(giving real effort) but I also feel he has a PECKING ORDER/FAVORITISM style to his coaching which I don't care for.