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Bonn1997
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11/5/2012  7:20 PM
Well you got all the Republican talking points down. You obviously aren't going to change your view in 24 hours. Good luck. I hope your candidate comes in 2nd place!
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11/5/2012  7:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Well you got all the Republican talking points down. You obviously aren't going to change your view in 24 hours. Good luck. I hope your candidate comes in 2nd place!

Haha. Likewise. Trust me I hate partisanship. I wanted so badly for Obama to be who he promised. But I won't vote for him again because I'm still holding out hope that I was right in 08. He hasn't done enough.

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11/5/2012  7:44 PM
MSG3 wrote:First, to Martins point, you ask what Romneys plan is. He's stated his plan. Do I think it will create 12 Million jobs and balance the budget as quickly as he claims? No. But I do believe it will come close and will put the economy on a much faster track to growing again than anything that the President has done or proposed. Obama says he can't pay for it, then fails to respond to his own failures on the economy or more importantly his plan for the next 4 years. I agree with you that one should not use simple arguments that are more complicated underneath the surface, but why is it not fair to criticize the President for not getting things done when his party ran the entire Government? Why didn't we have a jobs plan in 2009? Why shouldn't he answer for an economy that isn't even close to what he promised or where he said it would be at this point at the time of his stimulus?

It's fair to criticize, but that's all you are doing without looking at what actually happened. This is the second time you have stated that "his party ran the entire Gov't" without once also acknowledging that the Republican's pretty much filibustered everything, much more so in the entire history over modern USA governing. Speak to that point.

Obama jobs plan has been around for a long while but it keeps getting filibustered..... that's not the same thing as not having a jobs plan.

If you benchmark every president on exactly what they run on - "Why shouldn't he answer for an economy that isn't even close to what he promised or where he said it would be at this point at the time of his stimulus?" - without also considering exactly what is happening, you are judging with your eye closed. Politicians will definitely ALWAYS promise more than they can delivery, most everyone past high school Gov't Ed class knows this, why do you keep acting like you don't? Obama definitely under asked and under estimated for the economy. So did pretty much everyone.

Economists have already predicted that over the next 4 years 12 millions jobs will be created with either candidate in office... how come you don't know this and why do you claim Romeny's job plan maybe or maybe won't get us there?

How come Romeny's plan increases the budget deficit? Or how come Romeny's plans numbers won't add up? 5 talking points is not a plan.

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11/5/2012  8:32 PM
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MSG3 wrote:First, to Martins point, you ask what Romneys plan is. He's stated his plan. Do I think it will create 12 Million jobs and balance the budget as quickly as he claims? No. But I do believe it will come close and will put the economy on a much faster track to growing again than anything that the President has done or proposed. Obama says he can't pay for it, then fails to respond to his own failures on the economy or more importantly his plan for the next 4 years. I agree with you that one should not use simple arguments that are more complicated underneath the surface, but why is it not fair to criticize the President for not getting things done when his party ran the entire Government? Why didn't we have a jobs plan in 2009? Why shouldn't he answer for an economy that isn't even close to what he promised or where he said it would be at this point at the time of his stimulus?

It's fair to criticize, but that's all you are doing without looking at what actually happened. This is the second time you have stated that "his party ran the entire Gov't" without once also acknowledging that the Republican's pretty much filibustered everything, much more so in the entire history over modern USA governing. Speak to that point.

Obama jobs plan has been around for a long while but it keeps getting filibustered..... that's not the same thing as not having a jobs plan.

If you benchmark every president on exactly what they run on - "Why shouldn't he answer for an economy that isn't even close to what he promised or where he said it would be at this point at the time of his stimulus?" - without also considering exactly what is happening, you are judging with your eye closed. Politicians will definitely ALWAYS promise more than they can delivery, most everyone past high school Gov't Ed class knows this, why do you keep acting like you don't? Obama definitely under asked and under estimated for the economy. So did pretty much everyone.

Economists have already predicted that over the next 4 years 12 millions jobs will be created with either candidate in office... how come you don't know this and why do you claim Romeny's job plan maybe or maybe won't get us there?

How come Romeny's plan increases the budget deficit? Or how come Romeny's plans numbers won't add up? 5 talking points is not a plan.

I acknowledge that Filibusters exist and he's had to deal with them. Do you acknowledge that maybe his inability to compromise with congress and be a leader for this government lead to or contributed to the most ineefective government in recent memory? Has he had to deal with Filibusters solely because people in congress hate him? People hated Clinton but somehow he was able to get a Republican congress to work with to achieve a surplus, balanced budget, incredible economic growth, etc. Why didn't he receive the same treatment? Why didn't Bush?

Obama's jobs plan has been around a long time? Really? Since when? How about his budget that got ZERO votes in the Senate? Was that caused by a filibuster? You speak to THAT point.

I realize that eveyrone falls short of campaign promises. That's why I don't think we'll have 12 million new jobs right away. That's why I don't think our deficit will disappear in 8 years. But I believe Romney's experience and his plan are a better option than Obama who has fallen incredibly short in almost all facets of the platform he was running on. Tell me one big promise on the economy that Obama has even come close to keeping. New jobs? There are more people out of work now than when he became president. He promised to reduce the deficit and has expanded it by 6 Trillion dollars. Our economy has been growing at glacial speed. What has he done? Tell me please because he isn't and he isn't answering attacks on his record and he isn't telling me what's going to happen in the next 4 years if he's re-elected.

How come I don't know economists are are predicting 12 million new jobs over 4 years? That's like me asking you how come you don't know independent studies are showing Romney's plan can work? No one can say for sure. But what we know for sure is what happened from 2009-2012. And it is not encouraging.

You replied to my post in a very condescending and incredulous tone. That's to be expected. Unfortunately that's how almost everyone who talks politics goes about it. I understand you have your opinions and mine are differing. So instead of throwing out lines about HS gov't ed classes and asking me why I don't know certain things, tell me why I should vote for someone who hasn't been able to move our economy in the right direction. Why should the President get a pass on Benghazi or Fast & Furious. Why should he get a pass on a 99-0 vote on a budget plan. These are issues that are important to me. Why should I vote for him?

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11/5/2012  8:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2012  9:11 PM
Presidents can't create jobs, it's a myth...They can create a climate to spur job growth, maybe...Obviously the recession was much deeper than anyone anticipated...Holding the President responsible for not being able to turn the economy quickly enough isn't really being fair..We were losing an average of 750,00 jobs per month the first two months the President took office and we are asking for a jobs plan in 2009...How realistic are our expectations here???..Job losses continued for almost another year...What magic pill exist to stem those losses instantly....Romney's plan is to cut the top tax rate down to 20% which would be a 5 trillion shortfall in tax revenue...I don't even think a Republican Congress would sign off on that...A congressional research committee recently did a study that showed there were no correlation between tax cuts for the top earners and economic growth...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/business/questions-raised-on-withdrawal-of-congressional-research-services-report-on-tax-rates.html?hp&_r=0

The President wasn't able to quickly stop job losses and then create jobs but here are some other accomplishments in the first 4 years...

Here are his top 50 accomplishments...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

No one needs an excuse to vote for the other guy...But u can't say this President didn't try or never lived up to his promises...

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11/5/2012  10:16 PM
I still have yet to hear someone make the case for Romney. What is it about his policies that makes him a better candidate for president? Is it his deficit cutting plan? His plan will EXPLODE the deficit!!! No one talks about that. He has this Tax plan that has been proven not to be revenue neutral. He's cutting the very programs that Americans need to survive and succeed at the middle to lower income scale. Forget about social Policy. He has Bush's foreign policy team. 17 of the 24 people on Romney's Foreign Policy team are from Bush's regime!!! On top of all of that dude is a liar and a flip flopper of the highest order. Romney has no integrity!!! It's an insult to put him on the same plain as Obama. I just don't see it.
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11/5/2012  10:30 PM
nixluva wrote:I still have yet to hear someone make the case for Romney.

a mystery...worth exploring...?

for columbo, hitchcock, or better yet judge dredd?

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11/5/2012  10:43 PM
the fact of matter is republicans got to get into what's going? on now into today's america before recession 10+ yrs
ago and afterwards. In case republicans didnt see them commercials "I am an american" the american populations seen
is made up of all various types of men and women in the country.

Republican silly needs they made public to try & intimidate others into you got to vote for them cause of their fear formula of whom votes for whom based on race more than the issues is Old old, old old.

Americans are made of up all kind of folks whom will have a choice Nov. 6 2012.

Obvisiously Repub. choices are mainly their believes that their own will vote for Romney. That is the old issue.

The poll race for the next president will be close perhaps however if the republicans think their way to glory is to convince the non-minority US States to swing their way is the way to increase the electoral votes.. forget it

Then well brothers and sisters we'll be looking at another 4 more yrs of Democratic pres. Obama which is fine with me!

People of usa regardless of backgrounds or agendas will make a choice and the outcome is something the republicans
gotta accept soon one day and learn something from if they want to run the country again in new needs of America.

Going to be real interesting eh? about 7:45pm to about 11pm tomorrow night tuesday 11/6/2012. VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
Yep !

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11/6/2012  12:44 AM
MSG3 wrote:I acknowledge that Filibusters exist and he's had to deal with them. Do you acknowledge that maybe his inability to compromise with congress and be a leader for this government lead to or contributed to the most ineefective government in recent memory? Has he had to deal with Filibusters solely because people in congress hate him? People hated Clinton but somehow he was able to get a Republican congress to work with to achieve a surplus, balanced budget, incredible economic growth, etc. Why didn't he receive the same treatment? Why didn't Bush?

Obama's jobs plan has been around a long time? Really? Since when? How about his budget that got ZERO votes in the Senate? Was that caused by a filibuster? You speak to THAT point.

I realize that eveyrone falls short of campaign promises. That's why I don't think we'll have 12 million new jobs right away. That's why I don't think our deficit will disappear in 8 years. But I believe Romney's experience and his plan are a better option than Obama who has fallen incredibly short in almost all facets of the platform he was running on. Tell me one big promise on the economy that Obama has even come close to keeping. New jobs? There are more people out of work now than when he became president. He promised to reduce the deficit and has expanded it by 6 Trillion dollars. Our economy has been growing at glacial speed. What has he done? Tell me please because he isn't and he isn't answering attacks on his record and he isn't telling me what's going to happen in the next 4 years if he's re-elected.

How come I don't know economists are are predicting 12 million new jobs over 4 years? That's like me asking you how come you don't know independent studies are showing Romney's plan can work? No one can say for sure. But what we know for sure is what happened from 2009-2012. And it is not encouraging.

You replied to my post in a very condescending and incredulous tone. That's to be expected. Unfortunately that's how almost everyone who talks politics goes about it. I understand you have your opinions and mine are differing. So instead of throwing out lines about HS gov't ed classes and asking me why I don't know certain things, tell me why I should vote for someone who hasn't been able to move our economy in the right direction. Why should the President get a pass on Benghazi or Fast & Furious. Why should he get a pass on a 99-0 vote on a budget plan. These are issues that are important to me. Why should I vote for him?

dude, more reading on the current climate of things. 12 million jobs over the next 4 years is almost a given.

Obama been bending over backwards trying to compromise with Congress, they haven't even tried to meet him half way. Just look at the debt ceiling gig; ****ing awful.

Worst recession since Great Depression.... what were your expectations? 2-3 year full recovery? Obama definitely has not been stellar and missed out on fully capitalizing on stimulus, etc early on, but Congress has not worked with him.

Read more.

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11/6/2012  4:51 AM
IMO History will tell that Obama will go down as one of the best Presidents we've ever had. It's not entirely evident just yet, but part of that is the Republican Obstruction of just about everything he's tried to do, which is unprecedented in U.S. history and also because a lot of what he's done hasn't been fully enacted yet. We're still living under the Bush tax cuts and we haven't seen Obama's full job creation plan. Obama's being judged off a lot of crap Bush did. The Great recession was really hitting it's full strength when Obama came into office and there's nothing he could do to stop the avalanche of job loss and economic loss. That's the reality of what Obama had to deal with. He didn't come in with a surplus like Bush did. Still if you look at all of the things Obama accomplished in his 1st term it's incredible. Here's just the top 50:

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.

11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.

13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.

20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.

22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”

23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

24. Eliminated Catch-22 in Pay Equality Laws: Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act in 2009, giving women who are paid less than men for the same work the right to sue their employers after they find out about the discrimination, even if that discrimination happened years ago. Under previous law, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Ledbetter v. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., the statute of limitations on such suits ran out 180 days after the alleged discrimination occurred, even if the victims never knew about it.

25. Protected Two Liberal Seats on the U.S. Supreme Court: Nominated and obtained confirmation for Sonia Sotomayor, the first Hispanic and third woman to serve, in 2009; and Elena Kagan, the fourth woman to serve, in 2010. They replaced David Souter and John Paul Stevens, respectively.

26. Improved Food Safety System: In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.

27. Achieved New START Treaty: Signed with Russia (2010) and won ratification in Congress (2011) of treaty that limits each country to 1,550 strategic warheads (down from 2,200) and 700 launchers (down from more than 1,400), and reestablished and strengthened a monitoring and transparency program that had lapsed in 2009, through which each country can monitor the other.

28. Expanded National Service: Signed Serve America Act in 2009, which authorized a tripling of the size of AmeriCorps. Program grew 13 percent to 85,000 members across the country by 2012, when new House GOP majority refused to appropriate more funds for further expansion.

29. Expanded Wilderness and Watershed Protection: Signed Omnibus Public Lands Management Act (2009), which designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, created thousands of miles of recreational and historic trails, and protected more than 1,000 miles of rivers.

30. Gave the FDA Power to Regulate Tobacco: Signed the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (2009). Nine years in the making and long resisted by the tobacco industry, the law mandates that tobacco manufacturers disclose all ingredients, obtain FDA approval for new tobacco products, and expand the size and prominence of cigarette warning labels, and bans the sale of misleadingly labeled “light” cigarette brands and tobacco sponsorship of entertainment events.

31. Pushed Federal Agencies to Be Green Leaders: Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.

32. Passed Fair Sentencing Act: Signed 2010 legislation that reduces sentencing disparity between crack versus powder cocaine possessionfrom100 to1 to 18 to1.

33. Trimmed and Reoriented Missile Defense: Cut the Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense budget, saving $1.4 billion in 2010, and canceled plans to station antiballistic missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of sea-based defense plan focused on Iran and North Korea.

34. Began Post-Post-9/11 Military Builddown: After winning agreement from congressional Republicans and Democrats in summer 2011 budget deal to reduce projected defense spending by $450 billion, proposed new DoD budget this year with cuts of that size and a new national defense strategy that would shrink ground forces from 570,000 to 490,000 over the next ten years while increasing programs in intelligence gathering and cyberwarfare.

35. Let Space Shuttle Die and Killed Planned Moon Mission: Allowed the expensive ($1 billion per launch), badly designed, dangerous shuttle program to make its final launch on July 8, 2011. Cut off funding for even more bloated and problem-plagued Bush-era Constellation program to build moon base in favor of support for private-sector low-earth orbit ventures, research on new rocket technologies for long-distance manned flight missions, and unmanned space exploration, including the largest interplanetary rover ever launched, which will investigate Mars’s potential to support life.

36. Invested Heavily in Renewable Technology: As part of the 2009 stimulus, invested $90 billion, more than any previous administration, in research on smart grids, energy efficiency, electric cars, renewable electricity generation, cleaner coal, and biofuels.

37. Crafting Next-Generation School Tests: Devoted $330 million in stimulus money to pay two consortia of states and universities to create competing versions of new K-12 student performance tests based on latest psychometric research. New tests could transform the learning environment in vast majority of public school classrooms beginning in 2014.

38. Cracked Down on Bad For-Profit Colleges: In effort to fight predatory practices of some for-profit colleges, Department of Education issued “gainful employment” regulations in 2011 cutting off commercially focused schools from federal student aid funding if more than 35 percent of former students aren’t paying off their loans and/or if the average former student spends more than 12 percent of his or her total earnings servicing student loans.

39. Improved School Nutrition: In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.

40. Expanded Hate Crimes Protections: Signed Hate Crimes Prevention Act (2009), which expands existing hate crime protections to include crimes based on a victim’s sexual orientation, gender, or disability, in addition to race, color, religion, or national origin.

41. Avoided Scandal: As of November 2011, served longer than any president in decades without a scandal, as measured by the appearance of the word “scandal” (or lack thereof) on the front page of the Washington Post.

42. Brokered Agreement for Speedy Compensation to Victims of Gulf Oil Spill: Though lacking statutory power to compel British Petroleum to act, used moral authority of his office to convince oil company to agree in 2010 to a $20 billion fund to compensate victims of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico; $6.5 billion already paid out without lawsuits. By comparison, it took nearly two decades for plaintiffs in the Exxon Valdez Alaska oil spill case to receive $1.3 billion.

43. Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.

44. Pushed Broadband Coverage: Proposed and obtained in 2011 Federal Communications Commission approval for a shift of $8 billion in subsidies away from landlines and toward broadband Internet for lower-income rural families.

45. Expanded Health Coverage for Children: Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

46. Recognized the Dangers of Carbon Dioxide: In 2009, EPA declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.

47. Expanded Stem Cell Research: In 2009, eliminated the Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, which shows promise in treating spinal injuries, among many other areas.

48. Provided Payment to Wronged Minority Farmers: In 2009, signed Claims Resolution Act, which provided $4.6 billion in funding for a legal settlement with black and Native American farmers who the government cheated out of loans and natural resource royalties in years past.

49. Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Helped South Sudan Declare Independence: Appointed two envoys to Sudan and personally attended a special UN meeting on the area. Through U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split in 2011.

50. Killed the F-22: In 2009, ended further purchases of Lockheed Martin single-seat, twin-engine, fighter aircraft, which cost $358 million apiece. Though the military had 187 built, the plane has never flown a single combat mission. Eliminating it saved $4 billion.

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11/6/2012  8:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2012  8:05 AM
MSG3 wrote:
I acknowledge that Filibusters exist and he's had to deal with them. Do you acknowledge that maybe his inability to compromise with congress and be a leader for this government lead to or contributed to the most ineefective government in recent memory? Has he had to deal with Filibusters solely because people in congress hate him? People hated Clinton but somehow he was able to get a Republican congress to work with to achieve a surplus, balanced budget, incredible economic growth, etc. Why didn't he receive the same treatment? Why didn't Bush?

When Obama came into office he reached out to the Republicans and genuinely thought that they would work together with him to right the country. We were in the throes of global economic collapse. Obama did something unprecedented. He named 3 Republicans to his cabinet. Robert Gates - Sec of Defense; Ray LaHood; Sec of Transportation; Senator Judd Gregg, Sec of Commerce.

Senator Gregg's appointment was very interesting as he had to resign his senate position. The NH governor, who was a Democrat would appoint a new senator to replace Senator Gregg. The governor, to everyone's surprise, agreed to appoint a Republican instead of a Democrat which everyone had expected. Then Senator Gregg agreed to be Sec of Commerce. (He had been very vocal about cutting spending and balancing the budget and so Obama was selecting him on those credentials).

After everything was announced publicly and Senator Gregg was about to be confirmed, Senator Gregg reneged, withdrew and didn't become Sec of Commerce. He gave a flimsy excuse, but most people felt the Republican party leaders had gotten to him to force his withdrawal. There had been a private meeting of the 12 top republicans, lead by Carl Rove, and their private policy was to oppose everything Obama tried to do; make Obama fail so they could win back the White House in 2012. Since then the Republicans have done that. They have been obstructionists.

I won't vote for any Republican for any national office. The Republicans put their own party interests above the best interests of the U.S. That is just not acceptable.

Vote for Obama.

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11/6/2012  8:20 AM
Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for the sake of accuracy, the Iraq withdrawal date was agreed to during the Bush administration. It was put in place before Obama took office.

Not so much giving credit to Bush since he lied us into war. If you want to give Obama credit for anything it would be for sticking to the timetable that was already in place. But its not accurate for anyone to say that he singlehandedly ended the war.

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11/6/2012  10:03 AM
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:I acknowledge that Filibusters exist and he's had to deal with them. Do you acknowledge that maybe his inability to compromise with congress and be a leader for this government lead to or contributed to the most ineefective government in recent memory? Has he had to deal with Filibusters solely because people in congress hate him? People hated Clinton but somehow he was able to get a Republican congress to work with to achieve a surplus, balanced budget, incredible economic growth, etc. Why didn't he receive the same treatment? Why didn't Bush?

Obama's jobs plan has been around a long time? Really? Since when? How about his budget that got ZERO votes in the Senate? Was that caused by a filibuster? You speak to THAT point.

I realize that eveyrone falls short of campaign promises. That's why I don't think we'll have 12 million new jobs right away. That's why I don't think our deficit will disappear in 8 years. But I believe Romney's experience and his plan are a better option than Obama who has fallen incredibly short in almost all facets of the platform he was running on. Tell me one big promise on the economy that Obama has even come close to keeping. New jobs? There are more people out of work now than when he became president. He promised to reduce the deficit and has expanded it by 6 Trillion dollars. Our economy has been growing at glacial speed. What has he done? Tell me please because he isn't and he isn't answering attacks on his record and he isn't telling me what's going to happen in the next 4 years if he's re-elected.

How come I don't know economists are are predicting 12 million new jobs over 4 years? That's like me asking you how come you don't know independent studies are showing Romney's plan can work? No one can say for sure. But what we know for sure is what happened from 2009-2012. And it is not encouraging.

You replied to my post in a very condescending and incredulous tone. That's to be expected. Unfortunately that's how almost everyone who talks politics goes about it. I understand you have your opinions and mine are differing. So instead of throwing out lines about HS gov't ed classes and asking me why I don't know certain things, tell me why I should vote for someone who hasn't been able to move our economy in the right direction. Why should the President get a pass on Benghazi or Fast & Furious. Why should he get a pass on a 99-0 vote on a budget plan. These are issues that are important to me. Why should I vote for him?

dude, more reading on the current climate of things. 12 million jobs over the next 4 years is almost a given.

Obama been bending over backwards trying to compromise with Congress, they haven't even tried to meet him half way. Just look at the debt ceiling gig; ****ing awful.

Worst recession since Great Depression.... what were your expectations? 2-3 year full recovery? Obama definitely has not been stellar and missed out on fully capitalizing on stimulus, etc early on, but Congress has not worked with him.

Read more.

Martin, you yourself wrote "you state it as a fact that Romney's plan will work". I don't think it's fact but to me it makes sense what he's trying to do. But when you throw out an economic study that says 12 million jobs will definitely be created no matter who's in office, you expect THAT to be taken as fact. Why don't you take the studies that show Romney's plan can work as fact?

I read plenty which I assume you do as well. And 95% of what is put out from both sides can be taken as good or bad depensing what your point of view is. What I would rather do is consider what I read as well as look at results and see if things are headed in the right direction. They are not. You mention the debt ceiling gig. You should go read up on the compromise that Boehner and Obama came to which Obama backed out of at the last minute.

None of us really know what the inner workings are of the least productive government in our history. However, instead of trying to win an argument or continue to feel good about the choice I made in 08 or vote along party lines I'd rather vote how my head tells me to. I don't think the turnaround would happen overnight but he himself promised things that haven't come close to happening. And what's worse is that he's not the "Hope and Change" candidate he sold himself as. I refuse to believe everyone in Washington was against him from day one.

And if he's elected I hope like hell I'm wrong about him. I care about a lot of things. I think a woman should have the right to an abortion. I think Gay's should have the right to be married. I think we need to be prepared for climate change whether or not it's actually happening (I'm not a scientist and havne't done enough research on this).

But what is paramount is that we are enrgy independent and that our economy starts working again. Obama hasn't showed me anything or presented a plan which will make this happen.

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11/6/2012  10:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2012  10:13 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for the sake of accuracy, the Iraq withdrawal date was agreed to during the Bush administration. It was put in place before Obama took office.

Not so much giving credit to Bush since he lied us into war. If you want to give Obama credit for anything it would be for sticking to the timetable that was already in place. But its not accurate for anyone to say that he singlehandedly ended the war.

Which is true, but McCain campaigned on the fact that he would not pull out troops at that specified date..Obama campaigned on the fact the he would..He said he would wind down the war in Iraq and increase the troop size in Afghanistan..

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11/6/2012  10:24 AM
holfresh wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for the sake of accuracy, the Iraq withdrawal date was agreed to during the Bush administration. It was put in place before Obama took office.

Not so much giving credit to Bush since he lied us into war. If you want to give Obama credit for anything it would be for sticking to the timetable that was already in place. But its not accurate for anyone to say that he singlehandedly ended the war.

Which is true, but McCain campaigned on the fact that he would not pull out troops at that specified date..Obama campaigned on the fact the he would..He said he would wind down the war in Iraq and increase the troop size in Afghanistan..

You're also right which is why I hven't complained about his expanding the war in Afghanistan because I voted for him knowing that. I'm glad Obama stuck to the timetable and I hope he will stick to the Afghanistan pullout date as well if he stays on another 4 years. It looks that way but we know that the election can be stolen if its close enough which is why Obama was able to withstand republican shennanigans in 08 because it wasnt close.

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11/6/2012  10:45 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
holfresh wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for the sake of accuracy, the Iraq withdrawal date was agreed to during the Bush administration. It was put in place before Obama took office.

Not so much giving credit to Bush since he lied us into war. If you want to give Obama credit for anything it would be for sticking to the timetable that was already in place. But its not accurate for anyone to say that he singlehandedly ended the war.

Which is true, but McCain campaigned on the fact that he would not pull out troops at that specified date..Obama campaigned on the fact the he would..He said he would wind down the war in Iraq and increase the troop size in Afghanistan..

You're also right which is why I hven't complained about his expanding the war in Afghanistan because I voted for him knowing that. I'm glad Obama stuck to the timetable and I hope he will stick to the Afghanistan pullout date as well if he stays on another 4 years. It looks that way but we know that the election can be stolen if its close enough which is why Obama was able to withstand republican shennanigans in 08 because it wasnt close.

How is it ever possible that Tag Romney owns company with own controlling interest in another company that owns the voting machines in Ohio...How could this allow??

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11/6/2012  10:57 AM
holfresh wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
holfresh wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for the sake of accuracy, the Iraq withdrawal date was agreed to during the Bush administration. It was put in place before Obama took office.

Not so much giving credit to Bush since he lied us into war. If you want to give Obama credit for anything it would be for sticking to the timetable that was already in place. But its not accurate for anyone to say that he singlehandedly ended the war.

Which is true, but McCain campaigned on the fact that he would not pull out troops at that specified date..Obama campaigned on the fact the he would..He said he would wind down the war in Iraq and increase the troop size in Afghanistan..

You're also right which is why I hven't complained about his expanding the war in Afghanistan because I voted for him knowing that. I'm glad Obama stuck to the timetable and I hope he will stick to the Afghanistan pullout date as well if he stays on another 4 years. It looks that way but we know that the election can be stolen if its close enough which is why Obama was able to withstand republican shennanigans in 08 because it wasnt close.

How is it ever possible that Tag Romney owns company with own controlling interest in another company that owns the voting machines in Ohio...How could this allow??

Good question. Not to mention the republican president of diebold talking about promising to deliver votes for the president or something to that effect in 04'. One more reason why they don't like regulations. There should be a law that forces the vote counters to stay out of partisan politics in exchange for contracts but still allowing them to vote of course.

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11/6/2012  10:58 AM
MSG3 wrote:Martin, you yourself wrote "you state it as a fact that Romney's plan will work". I don't think it's fact but to me it makes sense what he's trying to do. But when you throw out an economic study that says 12 million jobs will definitely be created no matter who's in office, you expect THAT to be taken as fact. Why don't you take the studies that show Romney's plan can work as fact?

I am not throwing out a claim from 1 economist, this is general consensus from a whole much of economists and studies. General consensus.

MSG3 wrote:Why don't you take the studies that show Romney's plan can work as fact?

You remember the 6 "studies" Romney keeps referring to in the debates regarding his tax/economy plan? 3 were opinion pieces, at least one of which was written by an adviser to his campaign. 2 of the other studies actually disagreed with the results of his plan (given Romney's underlying assumptions). These were NOT independent, fact-based reports. It's general consensus that his plan is caca based on the fact that there are no details, and given his broad assumptions for the plan, they don't really work out like he concludes.

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11/6/2012  11:43 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
holfresh wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
holfresh wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for the sake of accuracy, the Iraq withdrawal date was agreed to during the Bush administration. It was put in place before Obama took office.

Not so much giving credit to Bush since he lied us into war. If you want to give Obama credit for anything it would be for sticking to the timetable that was already in place. But its not accurate for anyone to say that he singlehandedly ended the war.

Which is true, but McCain campaigned on the fact that he would not pull out troops at that specified date..Obama campaigned on the fact the he would..He said he would wind down the war in Iraq and increase the troop size in Afghanistan..

You're also right which is why I hven't complained about his expanding the war in Afghanistan because I voted for him knowing that. I'm glad Obama stuck to the timetable and I hope he will stick to the Afghanistan pullout date as well if he stays on another 4 years. It looks that way but we know that the election can be stolen if its close enough which is why Obama was able to withstand republican shennanigans in 08 because it wasnt close.

How is it ever possible that Tag Romney owns company with own controlling interest in another company that owns the voting machines in Ohio...How could this allow??

Good question. Not to mention the republican president of diebold talking about promising to deliver votes for the president or something to that effect in 04'. One more reason why they don't like regulations. There should be a law that forces the vote counters to stay out of partisan politics in exchange for contracts but still allowing them to vote of course.


That's why I am asking for a paper ballot - which is a legal request in most places.
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